Talk:Viktor Blom

Speedy deletion

Hi,

I'm not sure I understand the speedy deletion nomination, which says that the article is about a company or organization. Isildur1 is neither: he/she is an anonymous online poker player.

This article was already nominated for deletion, and that nomination was withdrawn after a number of editors argued for its being kept. There is a record of the discussion (keep or delete) here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Isildur1

Please let me know if there are other concerns that should be addressed.

Thanks! WhoWhoWhoIsMrBlue (talk) 22:44, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

In any case, speedy deletion does not apply to articles that have already been through AFD. –xeno^talk 02:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Identity?

Initially rumored to be Viktor Blom but apparently that's not true? I hear it's actually Mats Sundin. Any references? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.167.37 (talk) 09:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Happy April Fools. http://cakepoker.com/blog/En/post/Isildur1-is-(probably)-Not-Mats-Sundin-591.aspx JaeDyWolf (talk) 10:44, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

• I've restored the "Identity" section after it was removed with the edit summary "rm speculation". The speculation is reliable sourced. –xeno^talk 17:29, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

  It's been removed again with the edit summary "gossip is not appropriate for a BLP". I actually don't think this is "gossip", but will wait for further opinions on this. –xeno^talk 17:42, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Of course it's gossip, it's being driven mostly by Tony G who is the owner of Poker News and many other poker information networks. Hazir (talk) 17:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

The way I see it is that anything said about Isildur's identity is speculation until his identity is confirmed. In the interest of avoiding edit wars or filling the article with meaningless and non-encyclopaedic speculation, I'd say that it's best to leave all discussions regarding his identity out of the main article. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 19:53, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

The way I see it, the user is notable in part because of his (or her) anonymity, so reliably soured speculation about that identity is appropriate. –xeno^talk 19:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with xeno here. There is nothing wrong with this section because it focuses on sources that are speculating his identity. The section makes no claim that Isilur1 is Viktor Blom just that he is speculated to be Blom. I don't see how this speculation section differs from the speculation section on Jack the Ripper or the Zodiac killer. Valoem ^talk 19:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Please refer to WP:BLP. The issue here is not the anonymous Isildur1, but any other living individuals, especially anyone specifically denying something. And just because someone randomly asserts Isildur1 is the Pope doesn't mean it is encyclopedic. Ask for more information on the BLP noticeboard if you want. 2005 (talk) 23:56, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Could you clarify your concerns about WP:BLP? By removing the reliably-sourced section wrt speculation about his identity, edits like this [1] will probably continue to be made... Reliably sourced section restored. –xeno^talk 20:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

If you have a disagreement with the BLP policy, take it to BLP noticeboard. This is the second time you've been informed of this. 2005 (talk) 00:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

You actually haven't identified which part of the policy is relevant to this topic. –xeno^talk 11:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

"Avoid repeating gossip." The person denies the gossip. The original gossiper retracted the original gossip. Why are you persisting with trying to repeat it? 2005 (talk) 00:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Here`s the vid where Mats Sundin is explaining he is Isildur1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20uDfpABFGM&feature=related —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.6.141.45 (talk) 13:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Removed obvious POV stuff and unsourced impossible to prove speculation

I just culled a bunch of POV crap from the controversy section, this isn't 2+2 or your personal blog, please try to be encyclopedic. In addition, speculation that the hand histories caused the loss is impossible to prove as anything other than speculation, and more to the point, Isildur's ev in that match refutes the statement. So don't put it back unless you make sure to clarify the ev situation AND MAKE SURE TO SAY THAT THE SPECULATION ABOUT LOSSES IS EXACTLY THAT. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.91.27.178 (talk) 19:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Capslock broken much? Hazir (talk) 01:05, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

THANKS FOR YOUR VALUABLE CONTRIBUTION HAZIR. I'M SURE ALL THE REAL WORK HAS BEEN FINISHED, ALLOWING YOU AMPLE TIME TO ANTAGONIZE OTHER editors. BY THE WAY, THE CITATION REQUEST FOR THE SECTION YOU NUKED WAS PUT IN YESTERDAY. YOUR REMOVAL OF IT WAS PREMATURE BUT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE SOURCED SO YOUR MISTAKE DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.91.27.178 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Was the entire Isildur1 page erased?

I would have gladly helped merge the two articles, but I can't see the old version anymore? 69.68.27.101 (talk) 13:13, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

This is the Ilsidur1 page. The was no Viktor Blom page before. He wasn't notable at all. -Koppapa (talk) 13:56, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree. I will work on some stylistic editing tomorrow. I hope you will give me some feedback on recommended changes, because I will share the changes on the discussion page before I implement them. The lead is particularly weak, from a writer's POV. It needs to be in the style more like e.g. "Viktor Blom is most recognized as being the person behind the mysterious alias of isildur1 who had (insert what he is notable for)..." for a lot of reasons. It establishes that the person's identity was unknown and it accurately informs the reader to expect a "story" rather than a cut 'n dry article that basically says "Viktor Blom is Isildur1. This is his biography..." because that's not at all how he should be remembered. I will try to post a couple similar biographies, because there is a difference when a notable person goes anonymous for a significant duration of time. I'll present specific changes tomorrow so that my purpose is more clear. 69.68.27.101 (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Much appreciated. -Koppapa (talk) 17:04, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the page on Viktor Blom before he was confirmed to be Isildur1 was deleted on notability grounds... but him being Isildur1 is quite notable! 69.68.27.101, you seem to have a lot of good insight on BLP articles; have you considered joining Wikipedia with a username? JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 17:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I hope you guys like my edits to this page. I'll create a username tonight when I can think of something catchy. 69.68.27.101 (talk) 18:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate the good faith edits, but Wikipedia articles need to be written in a neutral tone, as according to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, sorry! JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 18:41, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the two most emotional words. Is this version acceptable? This tone is neutral now, and I can show you examples 1 on other Wikipedia pages of BLP. 69.68.27.101 (talk) 20:20, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I appreciate what you're trying to do, and the second edit is better than the first one, but there are still neutrality issues, and they seem to stem from trying to use more words than necessary. For example, "is the person behind the mysterious alias of "Isildur1"" should just be "Best known as "Isildur1." I've edited it this time without simply undoing it, so let me know what you think. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San (talk) 20:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

That doesn't really help alleviate the issue raised above - that initially the Isildur1 account was mysterious and there was widespread speculation as to who was behind it. In the article we should try and paint the story - of Isildur1 coming out of nowhere to make huge waves in the nosebleeds - the speculation about who it might be - and finally the drawing back of the curtain to reveal the young man behind it. This is all sourceable (and probably already supported by the sources in the article). –xeno^talk 21:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey Xeno, I'm not trying to do to that at all. You seem like a huge Isi-fan just like me, but it needs to be encyclopedic first and foremost. Have a quick read of the note I left on the bottom of JaeDyWolf's talk page. But you're right on the mark--I'm trying to explain the significance of his backstory to someone who has not much information about him and needs to read about him in an encyclopedia. The only reason I got involved on this article is because the former Isildur1 article was well written and I had thought it had been deleted (which is why I chose this title). The version after "updating" Viktor Blom into the article killed the quality of the article. I'll give a chance for JaeDyWolf to chime in before my next post to either here or on the article page or his talk page. I'm self-blocked until JaeDyWolf wants to comment. I think he resides in Britain and I don't want to feel responsible for giving him a Wikidrama headache this late at night. We can continue this discussion and build consensus tomorrow. Thanks for your support Xeno, and I hope you understand what my aim is, Jae. Signing off now. 69.68.27.101 (talk) 21:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)