User talk:Lvivske: Difference between revisions

Content deleted Content added

Inline

Revision as of 00:06, 27 January 2011

WP Ice Hockey in the Signpost

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Ice Hockey for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 02:30, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

28 Nov 2010

Hello, Lvivske. You have new messages at Lothar von Richthofen's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Ukrainian?

I am sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought you could read Ukrainian, as you sign in Cyrillic. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 05:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptions

I think that Petri is causing the greatest disruption of anyone in this current discussion. Igny seems to have calmed down quite a bit and seems a rather reasonable guy now. Mr. Krohn, on the other hand, seems intent on causing unnecessary conflict and working against reaching consensus. Some of his posts seem a lot like the same sort of thing that has gotten him sanctioned in the past. What do you think should be done about this? ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 22:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nemirov

Shalom. Or if you prefer, Ego Sum Lex..... I have reversed your immediate deletion of an insert, with the following text, now sourced:

The Hasidic Rabbi Jacob Joseph of Polonne was appointed as rabbi in Nemirov after he left Rashkov, during the 3rd quarter of the 18th century^[1]^[2]. Kvitlach (talk) 21:57, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This might be of interest to you

since this user tried filed a spurious AE request against you: [1] [2]. Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:01, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You got a problem?

So i see you keep reverting my edit without saying y ..........Y are you doing this...you got some sort of problem with the link or is it simply you have an ownership problem with this article ? Do you think it would be a good idea to delink Ukrainian Canadian at the Canadians, so y would you do it the other-way around? Moxy (talk) 07:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lets keep this in one place..shall we talk on my page .Moxy (talk) 05:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Photos

Hi! Why are you deleting photos at: Ukrainian diaspora? If you think something is wrong, we can solve this out, but don't delete someone's hard work just for fun. Photos are interesting as they are, they include people related to Ukrainians or Ukraine by their (or theirs close family member) place of birth, ethnicity, culture or other related similarities. They are not all Ukrainians by ethnictiy but it was all mentioned in Description of photo. Dustin Hoffman is connected with Ukraine over his parents, isn't it? I think photo are interesting for ethnic Ukraininas, why to erase it? What are your real complaints? --SeikoEn (talk) 20:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you in some way: Ukrainians are one thing and everybody on those photos are not of Ukrainian ethnicity but I point that out in Description. My goal is to make the world recognize the important role of some Ukrainians in Russia. Why not tell the world that Tchaikovsky and Dostoevsky also belong to Ukraine ... Ukrainians and the Ukrainian diaspora (Ukrainian culture) have left a huge traces in Russia, Canada and the U.S. - That's my point if you understand me. I am also working on other photos of the Ukrainians and Ukraine, my work is pure PROUkrainian - don't worry! Other works: Ukrainian scientists - Ukrainian musicians - Ukrainian cossack leaders - Ukrainians diaspora name (complaints because od ethnicity of Tschaikovskyi and Dostoievsyi) - World famous actors and actresses related to Ukrainians or Ukraine. - Russian notables of Ukrainian descent and last work Ukrainian writers and poets ... Best regards! --SeikoEn (talk) 07:52, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image File:HCDinamoMinsk2.png

⚠

Thanks for uploading File:HCDinamoMinsk2.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Courcelles 03:56, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free image File:LogoRSL.jpg

⚠

Thanks for uploading File:LogoRSL.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Courcelles 08:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Holidays!

Photos

If you want to move two images you must find new place for them, You cant simply erase them - It is lots of work man! Dont be so paranoic, everybody know that Ukrainians are on people and Ukrainian people are other thing. I am trying to explain to you that lots of Ukrainians did a great work in Russia nad USA. Please undestand my point of wiev! --SeikoEn (talk) 08:21, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I understand your worry. Select (list) all the people who you think will be necessary to replace, OK? We can do it now if you have time?--SeikoEn (talk) 08:32, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My advice to you is that you begin to better distinguish proukrainian and antiukrainian work. You should know that my work is only proukrainian, you might not understand it well enough as I saw ... You can not miss the role of the Ukrainian Diaspora in Russia. Some prominent Ukrainians themselves have said that there will be no Russian Empire without Ukrainians, starting with Feofan Prokopovich etc. The Europeanization of Russia is no small thing for the reputation of Ukrainians. You can read: http://www.ciuspress.com/catalogue/culture-and-society/9/the-ukrainian-impact-on-russian-culture%2C-1750-1850 or something similar ... Ukrainians have acted outside of Ukraine and their mark can not and will not be deleted so easily. Best regards! --SeikoEn (talk) 09:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How is pretending descendants of Russian Jews from the Pale to be members of the Ukrainian diaspora in any way constitute a "pro-Ukrainian" stance? It just seems confused and misguided. Regarding the Ukrainian influence in Russia, you need to understand the difference between Ruthenians who migrated there and held a connection to their roots, and those who came from Ukraine but had no connection to Ruthenian culture, language, and assimilated to Russian no problem. The latter can't be labelled as Ukrainian diaspora

Just because someone was at one point from the territory which is now Ukraine doesn't make them de facto Ukrainian, is I guess the short of all of this.--Львівське (talk) 09:13, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? That's how it de-facto works in Western Europe... I had no idea Madame Curie was not French but Polish until I saw it on wikipedia last year... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 17:00, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mariah, even on that article it states "While an actively loyal French citizen, she never lost her sense of Polish identity." which makes her 100% part of the Polish diaspora. If we play the "territory of birth" game then many ethnic Ukrainians can called Russian or Polish, which as you know would be outright false.--Львівське (talk) 17:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are missing my point, or I phrased it wrong... Here in Western Europe people first look at nationality, then ethnicity (and the more successful people are the less is looked after it's ethnicity). For instance Andre Geim is in Dutch press reverted to as "Dutch Nobel Prize winner" while he isn't ethnically Dutch nor does he speak Dutch, they do not call him "Russian diaspora in Holland". You might consider Curie "100% part of the Polish diaspora" she is considered "100% French" in the rest of the world... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 18:04, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am missing your point, because this argument with SeikoEn is based on ethnic grounds - specifically, on articles relating to the ethnic ukrainian diaspora.--Львівське (talk) 18:08, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's all very clear what you write, but it is also important the impact of Ukrainian culture in Russia. This influence came across people from Ukraine, no matter what Ethnic origin belong. Ukraine has emerged thanks to Ukrainians and the Ukrainian culture, no matter how, when and where called! I created a new image especially for you (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ukrainians_in_Russia_new.jpg), and I do not want to hear about the ethnic origins of Tchaikovsky whose father was born in central Ukraine, in tipical cossack family of Tchaika. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeikoEn (talk • contribs) 10:21, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is all WP:OR on your part and not allowed on wikipedia. Also, the impact of people from the territory of Ukraine on Russia is not this topic, the topic is the ukrainian DIASPORA; ethnic Ukrainians who identify as such who remained Ukrainian even after emigration.--Львівське (talk) 17:02, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

- One more thing: You can not put Brezhnev for Ukrainian, it simply is not true, Brezhnev is not Ukrainian surname. As if there is no more Ukrainians in Russia then Brezhnev ... --SeikoEn (talk) 10:26, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Surname is meaningless in this situation. Brezhnev stated himself that he was Ukrainian. Here's an example: A Ukrainian named Koval moves to Russia and eventually the name is Russified due to state anti-Ukrainian policy to Kovalev; they move back to Ukraine and they are no longer allowed to be Ukrainian?--Львівське (talk) 16:59, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Question: if Yury Onufriyenko, Nikolay Davydenko, Anna Politkovskaya, Valentina Matviyenko and Fedor Emelianenko do not consider themselves Ukrainians in Russia but Russian should they be so promptly displayed in a picture at the beginning of the article about Ukrainians in Russia? That looks misleading to me... Russiefied Ukrainians and Ukrainians in Russia must be two different things... Khmelnytsky, Gogol and Shevchenko at least considered themselves Ukrainians in Russia. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 18:37, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Per example, Andriy Voronin, Anatoliy Tymoshchuk, Maksym Berezovsky, Dmitry Bortniansky, Tina Karol and Vera Brezhneva are much more Ukrainians in Russia then the people I mentioned above. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 19:00, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Or Nadezhda Meiher (there is apicture of her in commons.) — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 19:09, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think there's a bit of grey area when you have an ethnic Ukrainian who in their lifetime moved to Russia (and becomes Russified) and those whose grandparents migrated and are a few generations removed from Ukraine.--Львівське (talk) 19:14, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree but I would find it it misleading if we had a picture that suggests that every Ukrainian who moves to Russia becomes Russiefied… I thank that including Karol (an example of a Ukrainian who has moved back to Ukraine (I don’t see Jews as a separate ethnicity, we don’t do that in Western Europe unless you are a member of Front National, and I am not)) and Tymo (popular Ukrainian in Russia who has always been a openly moderate Ukrainian nationalist) in the picture would give a much better view of what types of Ukrainians there are/have been in Russia.

In the light of SeikoEn’s picture I would see Karol and Tymo could replacing Fedor Emelianenko and Anna Politkovskaya and replace Anna Akhmatova with Brezhnev

— Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 21:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jews are considered everywhere in the world to be a separate ethnicity. I don't know where in western Europe you are, but that's not the case in the rest of the world, or even Wikipedia.--Львівське (talk) 21:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A quick google search proves you wrong. Considering Jews to be a separate ethnicity has seldom led to something good anyhow. I don't care what the rest of the world thinks, I don’t see Jews as a separate ethnicity. Besides Karol's parents might have had the Ukrainian nationality in the USSR, and not the Jewish one. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 21:57, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mariah, I'm sorry, but you are dead wrong in this matter. I suggest you do some further reading to understand this topic. Scholarly topics such as Ukrainian-Jewish relations would not exist if things were as simplified as you have constructed them in your head. Jews are Semites and Ukrainians are Slavs, even at its most rudimentary level the separation of the two peoples should be clear as day.--Львівське (talk) 01:29, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking differently is something else as being wrong... Thinking Ice Hockey should be played outside and not inside a building is also not wrong, even if you where the only person who would think so... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 01:51, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a matter of opinion, its rather cut and dry. Also, ice hockey outdoors is very popular so I don't get the analogy..--Львівське (talk) 02:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is sad when you do not know who your friends are! You are probably too young, but you will gradually learn ... Best regards! --SeikoEn (talk) 12:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SS Galicia

Hello Lvivske. With regards to the source you just cited at the SS Galicia article, I'd love to know if you have a copy of "Ukrainian Armies 1914-55"? And if you do could you please give me an overview of what it says, as google does not provide a preview of page 41. Not that I doubt your source, I just have a hard time understanding how a nation who saw Slavs as subhumans could allow such powerful Ukrainian imagery. I believe that there might be some discrepancy with what we would call the SS division, and some other reformation of it (after Brody) in the closing days of the war. Regards, Tavrian 00:06, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

^ Dresner, Samuel H. (Rabbi). The Zaddik - The Doctrine of the Zaddik according to the writings of Rabbi Yaakov Yosef of Polnoy, Shocken Books, 1974.[ISBN 0-8052-0437-7] p. 50 (mention of his stay in Nemirov).
^ Encyclopedia Brittanica[3]

[1] Dresner, Samuel H. (Rabbi). The Zaddik - The Doctrine of the Zaddik according to the writings of Rabbi Yaakov Yosef of Polnoy, Shocken Books, 1974.[ISBN 0-8052-0437-7] p. 50 (mention of his stay in Nemirov).

[2] Encyclopedia Brittanica[3]

[1]

[2]

@@ Line 86: / Line 86: @@
 *It is sad when you do not know who your friends are! You are probably too young, but you will gradually learn ... Best regards! --[[User:SeikoEn|SeikoEn]] ([[User talk:SeikoEn|talk]]) 12:13, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
+== SS Galicia ==
+Hello Lvivske. With regards to the source you just cited at the SS Galicia article, I'd love to know if you have a copy of "Ukrainian Armies 1914-55"? And if you do could you please give me an overview of what it says, as google does not provide a preview of page 41. Not that I doubt your source, I just have a hard time understanding how a nation who saw Slavs as subhumans could allow such powerful Ukrainian imagery. I believe that there might be some discrepancy with what we would call the SS division, and some other reformation of it (after Brody) in the closing days of the war. Regards, [[user:Tavrian|Tavrian]] 00:06, 27 January 2011 (UTC)