Talk:Red Guards

What was the Chinese pronunsiation of the therm? Kind of "hoon wei bin"? Please add to the article. Mikkalai 20:45, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Anarchist?

Why would most non-Maoists call the "cultural revolution" "a strong warning against anarchist tendencies within socialism"? (emphasis mine) Surely, most non-Maoists would call the "cultural revolution" a warning against the authoritarian tendencies in Maoism. Tim Ivorson 6 July 2005 11:26 (UTC)

How to pronounce

Please provide a romanization of the term. mikka (t) 20:55, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

不愛爸爸，不愛媽媽，只愛國家

I'm a native Chinese speaker, and this phrase translates literally into "Don't love father, don't love mother, only love the country." So either the Chinese words are incorrect, or the translation is. Can someone double-check and edit? LullabyLoves 22:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

There is another saying as "爹親娘親不及毛主席親", which means "father and mother are not so close as Mao". But it's not a very accurate translation, I think. Can any native speaker translate it? Ittop123 14:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but I think this phrase has been edited out. The previous translation was something not even similar to a literal or figurative translation. LullabyLoves 00:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Doing the cultural revolution as part of my degree, it may help that Jung Chang quotes Mao's saying as 'Father is Close, Mother is Close, but neither is as close as Chairman Mao'. This refers to efforts to create the 'Cult of Mao' preceeding the Cultural Revolution. [Jung Chang, Wild Swans (London 1993), p 313-335]. I've no more idea as to the Chinese I'm afraid.

is this discussion close? as i don't see it in the articale anymore? btw, is there something we can use to mark off outdated subject from the discussion? Akinkhoo (talk) 06:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

NPOV

The following, among other things in this section, is quite absurd:

Authoritarian pro-capitalist Chinese critics of Mao say that Mao was aware of the increasing ideological differentiation and the petty struggles occurring in the air of the "si da," the four big freedoms, so he should have shut down the Red Guards and the entire Cultural Revolution earlier. Oddly, this suited Western liberals who objected to keeping China off the capitalist road.

If there are specific "authoritarian pro-capitalist Chinese critics of Mao," "Western liberals," etc., that you have in mind, how about we have their names, rather than a polemical and POV description that reads like it was copied out of MIM Notes or Rénmín Rìbào? Radgeek 17:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

This article

This is a very poor article which needs to be completely rewritten. (Why is it every time I visit an article to do with any aspect of communist history I find the some grossly tendentious rubbish?) Adam 11:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I found this article kind to the atrocities that occurred during this Cultural Revolution.

I strongly agree with Adam about this article. I'm mystified, for even the contemporary Chinese Communist Party says without equivocation that the Cultural Revolution and the Red Guards were a disaster for China. Whose sensibilities here are being protected? The Gang of Four? Or is it older Americans who confused the Red Guards with back to the land Hippies of the Sixties? Let's use the August 2006 definitive Harvard U Press book on this, three decades in the writing, Mao's Last Revolution.

He brings a good point... most articles about communisms are either clearly pro/ pr against it. This is bad because the articles are not neutral. This one is no different it doe snot really point out the negative aspect of the Red GuardsAlexgren 21:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

This is yet another article about China that is largely a translation from writings in Chinese. Sometimes the sentence structure gives it away, other times it is the references to things that have not been said. Example from Origins: According to Zhang, the group of students . . . Who is Zhang? DOR (HK) (talk) 02:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

"barbarism of red guard"?

I doubt I need to elaborate on how that is an extremely POV-laden comment. Needs to be changed, definitely. -- 我♥中國 07:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to "brutality," which has less of a "value-judgement" feel, I think. The Red Guards did treat people very badly, and if the Hong Kong television programs emphasise that aspect, it's only fair to mention it. Speaker for the Dead 17:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC) Alexgren 21:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Just an unrelated note about the "barbarism" of the Red Guard, my moms grandmother or great grandmother (who lived up till 100 years old, died in year 2000), from what I heard from my mother, she was married into a rich family in Guangzhou area since she was 14 years old with at least 5 housemaids and owned several farms. Anyways during the cultural revolution my mother grandfather didn't want to escape to Hong Kong (due to his sentiment to a few favourite ox of his) so the rest of the family left to Hong Kong but he was caught by the Red Guard. During the torture, they forced him to kneel down on broken glasses that crippled him forever while giving him beating and force him to confess his "capitalistic" indulgence. Anyways they somehow managed to bribe the officials to bring him to Hong Kong. After the cultural revolution he became "loyal" to the Communist government in Peking while my Great grandmother hated anything related to Red Guards or Communist government in Peking (I remember she nearly wanted to bite my grandfather head off when he praised Peking government once). A true story that I heard from them. Anyway, just wanted to tell a personal story about the Red Guards, I am sure there are millions of other tragedy survivor story that happened in a time when humanity shows their ugly side.

hanchi 16:21, 21 Februari 2011

Protection for this article

Looking back over the history of this article, it has continously suffered from unexplained, wholesale deletions of material by unregistered users. I'm going to recommend it for partial page protection.Sylvain1972 18:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

New information added

I have added significant information to this article. This is a very sensitive topic to write on, so if you have any comments on my additions please discuss them here. MarquisCostello (talk) 17:42, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Nothing is sensitive anymore since the Cultural revolution happened 30-40 years ago, and the official verdict by the communists themselves was 十年浩劫 translate:Ten years of great disaster. And we all know that the red guards were just a bunch a mobs used by Mao to attack his political rivals. Arilang ^talk 00:48, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

While I agree that the Red Guard movement is no longer "sensitive", I find the claim that "we all know" (!) that "the Red Guards were just a bunch a mobs [sic]" to be rather off the mark, and indicative of ignorance rather than genuine historical knowledge. The Red Guards were, like many other events and participants in the history of the PRC, surely 70%/30% good/bad.Villa Giulia (talk) 16:28, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

The above comment by VG needs rebuttal, so I guess I volunteer. Have you ever spoken with Chinese people who lived through the terror of the (especially early) Red Guards era? Do you have the slightest conception of what mass-murder entails? Of the tragic loss of family members and other loved ones? Does the damage caused to China's progress by the Cultural Revolution mean anything? "70% good"??? You must be joking. 98.67.5.184 (talk) 09:45, 9 July 2010 (UTC)HammerFilmFan

Nie Yuanzi

Nie Yuanzi was not one of the "group of students" but a middle-aged party secretary in the departmet of philosophy at Peking University. Her name does not belong in the sentence where it occurs, and hence I deleted it.Villa Giulia (talk) 20:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Mobilized by Mao Zedong

The red guards weren't moblized by him at all. They were just simpily very strong folowers of his idology and thought that they were doing their duty. Think of it as Rastafarians and Haile Selassie, the latter did not want to be worshipped just like Mao Zedong did not order the red guards to destroy religious objects and political dissidents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.77.1 (talk) 12:16, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Sadly (for China), the historical evidence says otherwise. 98.67.5.184 (talk) 09:49, 9 July 2010 (UTC)HammerFilmFan

Real images of Red Guards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIrUHVFkm9A Culture Revolution - Public execution & Impact, things that Red Guards did. Arilang ^talk 07:09, 17 February 2011 (UTC)