Talk:List of coups and coup attempts

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I have a few coups to list:

260 AD: Cao Wei's Emperor, Cao Mao, had a failed coup against Sima Zhao. 249 AD: Incident at Gaoping Tombs, where Sima Yi held a coup against Cao Shuang.

2008: Iran

The section about Iran, 2008, is completely incoherent. Should be rewritten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.10.99 (talk) 23:17, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

The 1984 coup in Guinea is missing

The 1984 coup in Guinea is not listed. Jmoldale (talk) 23:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Which coup attempts?

On the map, Hungary and Romania are painted light green, but they are not listed in the list of coups. Why are they marked on the map? For which coup attempts? The rise on power of the Arrow Cross in Hungary? Or its cause, the unsuccessful attempt of Horthy to withdraw from the war? Or something related to the revolution of 1956? What about Romania? Something about the 1989 revolution, considered by some to be a conspiracy of the inner circle of Ceausescu's securitate to overthrow him and remain in power? Or something earlyer, in the World War? The abdication of Michael I of Romania? Could somebody clarify it? --V. Szabolcs 20:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Relevant discussion here. - SpLoT _(*C*+u+g) 08:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Correct plural

Sorry, but it's "coups d'état". Using "coup d'états" as the plural is tantamount to saying "states coup" instead of "state coups" in English. Check m-w.com as a reference, for instance. I've reverted the move. —Nightstallion (?) 19:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Czechoslovak Coup

The Communists had control of the cabinet and legislature in 1948. They then merged with other political parties to form a unity front. This is not a coup.

Reference? - SpLoT _(*C*+u+g) 08:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Why was this redirected?

Uh, why this page deleted and moved to a much less complete page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cm205 (talk • contribs) 03:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

Sub-Headings

I added several sub headings, mostly one for every decade, I did this because the list as I found it was very hard to navigate. I was looking for a single coup and it was quite difficult. Naufana : talk 06:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

JFK?

The JFK assassination is listed as a coup here. Granted, it's a legitimate theory, but that seems more like personal speculation than concrete fact. I'm removing it unless anyone can find some previously unknown concrete evidence of this coup. [This is user Magic Flyin Lemur, but yet again I've forgotten my password and am too tired to bother fixing it tonight. I'll sign this when I get around to it]

It's speculation the doesn't belong on this page. This is a list of coups d'état and coup attempts, not alleged or theoretical attempts. RxS (talk) 20:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Speculation! The vast majority of eyewitnesses, consistent supermajorities of Americans and a huge body of scholarly work, and still it's mere speculation that a coup d'etat took place in Dallas in 1963. Guess if the New York Times doesn't say something is so, it ain't so. Love the way so many self-styled rational thinkers will blindly take something on faith as long as their unthinking speculation is backed up by a trustworthy and "sober" media narrative. You have privileged the official government narrative about the Kennedy Assassination, excluding a compelling and credible competing theory that is believed by most people, that fits the known facts and is supported by a large minority of historians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.175.107.132 (talk) 12:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

E. Howard Hunt himself implicated Lyndon Johnson in the Kennedy Assassination! At what point is it okay to say maybe this was a coup d'etat? I understand the New York Times hasn't agreed to that position, but why do they (and by extension, the government from which they transcribe most of their news narratives) get to decide the "truth"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.175.107.132 (talk) 12:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be neutral point of view WP:NPOV to note that there is considerable suspicion that Kennedy's assassination was a coup. Please see John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories. Ghostofnemo (talk) 01:29, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

At best, it's a "maybe": one of many possible theories. Including it here thus constitutes undue weight, and I think it should be removed. -- Irn (talk) 15:56, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

China

In 1976, the dominate political faction within the Chinese Communist Party, state and armed forces were removed at gun point by an alliance of other factions. Surely this deserves mention. DOR (HK) (talk) 04:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean Deng? Could you elaborate some please? I'm currently working to improve this article. I know it's far from complete, so any help would be great. Grsz^X 05:14, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Canada 2008

The proposed Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition in Canada is composed of MP's who were elected, and is not unconstitutional by current Canadian law, so I'm not sure it qualifies as a "coup d'etat" Sebd1969 (talk) 20:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC) seb1969

lol 67.68.19.226 (talk) 05:34, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Dates

This article needs actual dates in addition to years. Jmj713 (talk) 20:11, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

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Iran election

I've reverted the Iran election paragraph; the events as described don't seem to match the definition of a coup (takeover of a state by former outsiders via control of the military etc.), and the paragraph itself is unsourced and reads like advocacy. Populus (talk) 01:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I revert it back. Iranian officials reject any coup, but huge military intervention in election, and in streets would make the claim doubtful. Just let people discuss their opinion on whether or not a coup is happenning, in discussion section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.54.250.150 (talk) 23:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

That would be original research. We shouldn't add Iran as a coup because we think it is one but only if reliable sources call it one.--76.66.188.112 (talk) 04:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Inside iran, everyone knows it was a coup

Don't fight propaganda with propaganda, and especially not here please. When I read that, it jumped out as bs, seeing as I know the formal definition of a coup. A president already controls key areas of the government.. he can't grab his own power, that act is already done. 76.167.249.45 (talk) 07:45, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Two things are being missed here: 1. The general definition of coup does not necessitate use of armed forces to change a regime. It's usually something along the line of "sudden deposition of change of government using illegal or unconstitutional means". (This is in response to Populus) In any case police riot were present in streets of Tehran during the election, and they took position inside the Ministry of the Interors while the votes were being counted. 2. It is true that Ahmadinejhad is the current president of Iran and already has the power. But what an election does is determines who the power will transfer to. If Mousavi was the elected president, then the power was to transfer to him, and using this election fraud Ahmadinejhad has grabbed power from Mousavi. (response to the previous post)Blackberry000 (talk) 15:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The only thing that matters concerning this is if there are any WP:RS that defines this as a coup. As long as noone has provided any, then it cannot be included in this article. --Saddhiyama (talk) 16:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

2005 Kyrgyzstan

Kurmanbek Bakiev overthrew Askar Akaev

USA 2000-2001?

Obviously, this is debatable, as many people accept the validity of the reasoning in Bush v. Gore. However, there are certainly a number of people who have reasoned disagreements with the legality of that decision. (And before someone says "The Supreme Court said so so it can't be unconstitutional" - if I used a mind-control ray to have five members of the Supreme Court declare me King of the USA tomorrow with the rider "this ruling is constitutional", would that somehow not be a coup?)

censurethefive.org has a measured exposition of this point of view. There is no exhaustive list of legal scholars who subscribe to this view, that I know of, but there are certainly many prominent legal scholars who have penned disagreements with Bush v. Gore strong enough as to question its very legitimacy.

I don't suggest including it in the list unqualified, but I do suggest something like "A significant minority of legal scholars contest the legitimacy of Bush v. Gore, and view USA 2000-2001 as a coup." Homunq (talk) 10:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Please find a reputable wp:rs that states unequivocally "A significant minority of legal scholars contest the legitimacy of Bush v. Gore, and view USA 2000-2001 as a coup.". Then we can discuss the reliability of your source--Work permit (talk) 04:35, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

• Even then, it's still not a "coup" for the purposes we are talking about here. It's a legal dispute, not a government being overthrown. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Italy

Anon editors have been attempting to add the following:

“ Italy March 5, 2010, Italian Government changed the electoral law during regional elections. It is forbitten to the Government in charge (Legge 23 Agosto 1988, n°400 Articolo 15 Comma 2 - Costituzione Italiana Art. 72 comma 4) which mandates a normal procedure of approval by the Parliament for laws concerning electoral issues.. ”

These edits have been reverted by a number of editors, because the event has not been described as a coup by any reliable third party source. If you wish to include this event in the list, or the see also section, please provide third party sources that describe this event as a coup. Please read wp:rs to see what a reliable third party source is.--Work permit (talk) 02:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

• Agreed. Even with a reliable source that it happened, one will need to reliably call it an actual coups d'état, not just using it as hyperbole. I can't see where a government changing its own laws is an attempt to overthrow the government. Niteshift36 (talk) 02:30, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Split

Suggestion: split this page into 4:

1. Pre-nineteenth century
2. Nineteenth century
3. Twentieth century
4. Twenty-first century.

Apart from better manageability (list is getting quite big) this would give a chance to actually make the earlier pages complete. At the same time, there really should be an attempt to clarify the distinction between this and List of revolutions and rebellions. I wonder also if (1864) "Troops of French Emperor Napoleon III invade Mexico and install Habsburg pretender Maximilian as Emperor." is really a "coup". Rd232 ^talk 11:53, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Well I've started List of coups d'état and coup attempts since 2000. Needs 2000-2010 moving there from here. Any comments? Rd232 ^talk 18:04, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

American revolution

Why is the american revolution mentioned as a coup d'etat?? They removed themselves from british influence, they didn't want yo take control over the british empire! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.133.247.223 (talk) 16:40, 24 February 2011 (UTC)