User talk:Lagoo sab

Afghan Refugees

Not all Afghans living in Iran are refugees. There could be some who simply moved there to live there, regardless of the political situation in their homeland. Also, there could be some on vacation in Iran, or Afghans born in Iran to two Afghan parents. MShefa (talk) 01:19, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm aware of this. I have some relatives in Iran and they lived there since 1980s under Afghan passports. Iran does not give citizenship to Afghans. However, they do have some kind of documents which enables them to live there permanently, I think it's the "blue cards" or something and I think these are given to Afghans or other refugees who were admitted to Iran in 1980s. I'm not sure yet but I'll find out when I call my relatives there because they are waiting to recieve that in the near future.--Lagoo sab (talk) 02:04, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Lagoo sab. You have new messages at WP:RPP.
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Again. Airplaneman ✈ 21:28, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Pata Khazana

If your edits are constructive and the user still keeps on reverting you, it would be really good to report it to one of the admins. You will be able to find admins who are familiar with these issues. Thank you (Ketabtoon (talk) 23:06, 30 September 2010 (UTC))

Talkback

Hello, Lagoo sab. You have new messages at WP:AN.
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BTW, not sure if you want these templates. Can I keep using them here? Airplaneman ✈ 01:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

October 2010

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Pashto language. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains consensus among editors. If unsuccessful then do not edit war even if you believe you are right. Post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Magog the Ogre (talk) 19:45, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Languages of Afghanistan

Hello. I will once again revert your edits, because they are POV and selective quoting. While your edits are indeed sourced, they are POV, because you choose only the sentences and quotes that serve your own POV. For example, while the Britannica article on Afghanistan explains that Persian is spoken by 50% and Pashto by 40%, you only quote the first sentence of that paragraph which does not say anything about language and ignore the rest. Then you take a quote from the Britannica article on "Dari" and for Pashto, you ignore Britannica totally and instead quote from the 1980's article of Encyclopaedia Iranica. That is selective quoting for POV purposes and hence against Wikipedia rules. Please make sure you use neutral and Non-POV wording. I will keep your sources, but I will rewrite the text, neutralizing the POV. Take care. Tajik (talk) 03:14, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

The article only mentions and uses CIA's estimate, that is POV and biased. The years 1980s, 90s, 2000s is irrelevant because all the given references are outdated. The CIA estimate is from at least from 1992. All the major sources say Pashto is the native toung of 35-60% while CIA is talking about languages spoken or in use in Afghanistan as Dari 50% and Pashto 35%. There is a difference between languages spoken and the languages being the native toung, and my edits help to explain this.--Lagoo sab (talk) 23:39, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

The CIA factbook is considered a reliable source in Wikipedia. Whether you think that it is reliable or not is irrelevant. And for that, you can't just do some Google-research and then pick the sources you like. There are plenty of other sources that put the number of Pashto lower or the number of Persian higher.

What is problematic with your edits is that you pick sources. You only take the sentences you like while you ignore others within the same source. That is POV editing. If you quote a source for one language, make sure you take the same source for the other language as well. Otherwise, it is POV. Tajik (talk) 01:02, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your cooperation. I think you should change your edits in Languages of Afghanistan as well ... Tajik (talk) 03:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Pashto language

Your claim is not correct. The source clearly says:

"8,000,000 all Pashto in Afghanistan (1989), 35% to 50% of the population (1996). Population total all countries 9,204,000 or more. All Pashto in all countries: 19,000,000 (1999 WA)"

Tajik (talk) 01:44, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I have looked at the present Ethnologue. Figures on your talk page. Chartinael (talk) 01:45, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

"Pashto" is the southern Afghanistan dialect, you know this very well no need for me to explain further. The other is Northern Pakthu, spoken mainly in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa areas as well as some eastern Afghan areas. Then there is the Central Pakhtu, which is mainly in the Waziristan region. This is why www.ethnologue.com has 3 separate articles on Pashto, and the All Pashto in all countries: 19,000,000 (1999 WA) is saying that the Southern Pashto (southern Afghanistan region + Quetta Pakistan and neighboring regions) has a total of 19 million Pashto speakers.--Lagoo sab (talk) 01:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you just look at the links provided on my and Tajik's talk page? I went to the 15th edition. Which is the present one. Don't cite older versions, when newer exist. Chartinael (talk) 01:53, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind that Ethnologue is pro on languages so they are no dumbies to claim 19 million when every source you click on says Pashto speakers are 40-60 million. This is getting very ridiculous, and I'm here laughing at what people do with their precious life. It's Christmas time go have fun instead of this boring arguments.--Lagoo sab (talk) 01:54, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

It is just another one of those cherry picking acts you do. It also demonstrates you inability to understand the sources you quote. 19.000.000 Pashto in all countries. Southern Pashto in all countries was given with 9,204,000. Chartinael (talk) 01:58, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

19.000.000 Pashto in all countries is talking about one dialect of the language in all countries. You need to show the numbers of the others and when you do that it comes to around 40-60 million. If you go to Afghanistan and Pakistan, you'll have a much better idea about the ground reality. Not to mention the large number of Pashto-speakers found in Arab countries in the Middle East. But someone sitting in Europe just googling info will not be able to understand.--Lagoo sab (talk) 02:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Tajik and Chatinael you are using outdated sources from the 1980s for the number of Pashto speakers. The 16th edition of Ethnologue states that 49,529,000 possibly total Pashto in all countries (Lewis, M. Paul (ed.), 2009. Ethnologue: Languages of the World, Sixteenth edition. Dallas, Tex.: SIL International. Online version: http://www.ethnologue.com/.)[1] This is backed by all the other latest sources.--Lagoo sab (talk) 19:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Blocked

— HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 00:58, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

I created some of these screen names because I wasn't sure which one to keep since I obly do occasional edits, and names such as PanjshirPashtun, HeratiPashtun, BalkhPashtun, wouldn't be an attempt to hide from other editors. I did this partly for personal Security and Privacy reasons, but not to cause trouble in Wikipedia. I can't reveal my work here except in an email to a qualified admin. I thought something like that was accepted per "Legitimate uses" at Wikipedia:Sock puppetry.

Decline reason:

Your opportunity to introduce these as legimate alternate accounts would have been during your many posts to the sockpuppet investigation. Noting the contradictory and fake backgrounds on the userpages of those accounts, it appears this is merely an integrity problem on your part. Kuru (talk) 18:02, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

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I also think there's something to be said about the mountains of sockpuppet accusations you were throwing at other editors, often completely unfounded. To quote the Christian Bible, "to the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted..., nothing is pure." The man who commits adultery is more likely to be jealous of his wife; the man who steals from his roommate is more likely to be suspicious of his roommate for stealing form him. My reading of the situation is you were constantly accusing of sockpuppetry (on more than one account) because you were engaged in it, and knew in your heart of hearts that it is improper. Magog the Ogre (talk) 20:19, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with my accusations, I've explained in detail that all the listed IPs as well as the users Tajik and Chatinael are in northern Germany[2], around Hamburg. That is self-evident [3]. It is established that the person behind the various northern Germany and proxy[4] [5] IPs is a pro-Iranian, anti-Pashtun[6] [7], anti-Afghanistan[8] who only edits Afghanistan related articles by falsifying information. It has been established that the user Tajik (who is on a 1 revert per week) has in fact used sockpuppets and is a pro-Iranian anti-Pashtun living in northern Germany. There are only a couple of people editing Afghanistan articles and Tajik is one of them who has been active since 2005. He is the only one 24-7 eyeing on Afghanistan articles, especially the ones which are controversial. He belongs to the minority Shia Islam and I have reasons to believe that all the others whom I suspect are Shias as well. All these Shias are exposing their selves (their hate-filled minds) to the rest of the world.

The admin only said that Tajik and Chartinael were unrelated, he didn't explain anything about the IPs relation to Tajik, and etc. I have read the Christian Bible and now I'm reading the Holy Quran. I don't follow the Bible because I believe it is corrupted and turns people blind. Yes, I have created multiple user names here in Wikipedia (which is not a sin or a crime) but not for any bad causes. My God (Allah) allows me to do this because Allah is very understanding of my situation and the circumstances... about wanting to remain anonymous, for my own personal security reasons. All I can preach to you is that no matter who you are or how powerful you may think you are, you are unable to live forever. On the day of judgement you will stand before God and answer to all your deeds without any helper. If you had a kind heart as you wrongly believe, you would have reviewed my edits before you wrongly judged me.--Lagoo sab (talk) 18:34, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Just so you don't feel hurt, it's not only God telling me in Quran that the Bible is partially corrupted but it has also been proven scientifically[9]. As a Muslim I don't reject Jesus, son of virgin Mary, I pray every morning before daylight just like how Jesus prayed[10].

“ "Very early in the morning, while it was still dark, Jesus got up, left the house and went off to a solitary place, where he prayed" (Mark 1:35) ”

“ "Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed..." (Matthew 26:39). ”

You and the others involved in this Tajiks vs. Pashtun edits are defending the Tajiks and oppressing the Pashtun editors. To me it may not matter much because nobody takes Wikpedia serious unless they don't mind being misled at some point here and there. It is God Who will punish the wicked forces of evil in the end and nobody is able to evade God's punishment. If you're wondering why everytime my alias names (anonymous user names) are revealed and marked as my socks that's because God wanted it that way, so that I am credited for all my contributions to Wikipedia, and by that I'm not speaking for others who have used sockpuppets for whatever reasons... I'm only speaking for my self here.--Lagoo sab (talk) 11:11, 9 January 2011 (UTC)