Talk:Urums

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any information on Urum people in the U.S? I wonder any Urums migrated out of ukraine or Russia. I love to read anything on Urums I come across and add the stuff on the page. I liked the article, it is nearly organized and collected enough sources to abide by wikipedia rules. 207.200.116.8 19:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

calender/calendar?

The See Also section of this article has a red link to Ruumi Calender. Does this refer to a calendar (like a timekeeping device) or a calender (like a press), or some other meaning? I am currently fixing all calender for calendar typos that I find on Wikipedia, but prefer not to guess at their context. -- KathrynLybarger (talk) 04:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Rum and greek are different

The name rum (Romanian - Est Romanian- Byzantium) is used to describe orthodox Byzantins. Not exectly greeks. For exemple an orthodox turk can be rum becouse he is orthodox. At the other hand a muslim greek will never be called as rum even if he is 100% greek. At this age religion was the strongest apparance of the nationality. Fınaly rum is not used for an ethnicity in ottoman empire but we saw already that most of the orthodoxs were greeks and armenians. I want to mean that rum is not equal to greek but to orthodox christian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.91.137.53 (talk) 20:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

URUM KIPCHAK TATAR

The ancient name of Seldjuk Empire is Seldjuk i Rum . I can give you an exemple diyar -i rum means the territory of rum ( romans ). An other exemple Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi. Here rumi means (who came from roman territorys) Turks called the western territoys ( diyar ı rum) and the chretians of this territory were rums. But sometimes they used the nickname rum to describe a person living there even if he is a turk. In reality you can call rum an orthodox tatar but it depends of their location. For exemple for the tatars living in est , western tatars can be tatars who live in Roman territory =rum. But generaly the terme is used for the religion. And maybe for muslim tatars , cheretian tatars are rum or rumi. Finaly we know that some turkic clans are chretian like kipchaks , one part of tatars, chuvashs. And we know already that urum languages have no similarity with sud black sea dialect. This dialect is close to the megrel or georgian language. For this reason Rumey people who came from turkish black sea territorys speak this dialect of turksh. But for urums we can see that they are speaking crimean tatar and its not similar to sud black sea turkish. And at the other hand their language is closed to kipchak dialect it can prouve that like christian kipchak they may have same origins. I want to repeat that there is so many use of the word rum but generely it is used for the confession( religion). I think there is not so much argument to describe urums as greek. But sometimes there is a strong confusion betweek greek and rum becouse most of the rums have hellenic origin. Maybe you can be more objectif and not write that urums are certainly greeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.91.137.53 (talk) 21:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Heritage

We Urums are fully aware of our Greek roots and only speak a Turkic-language. We do not consider ourselves Turkish, our ancestors were Greeks. Although today, many of our families have converted to Islam either by choice or by force, our ancestors were followers of the Greek Orthodox religion and we're able to trace our roots back to the Byzantine Empire.