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:::I think you're conflating "truth" and "factual". [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<small><sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup>[[User:Heimstern/Ignoring incivility|Advice]]</small> 22:20, 29 September 2011 (UTC) |
:::I think you're conflating "truth" and "factual". [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<small><sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup>[[User:Heimstern/Ignoring incivility|Advice]]</small> 22:20, 29 September 2011 (UTC) |
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:::Look, read this, think it over, and try to understand this point of view: Truth is inherently subjective. My truth is not your truth is not someone else's truth. If I believe in reincarnation, that's my truth. If you don't, we can argue all day each thinking we have The Truth, but there will not be a resolution. But verifiable facts are different. There they are; if there are different views then standards can be applied as to whose view is verifiably more likely to be accurate - how to weight different views. For example, a nail expert's opinion is huge on the Nail article. He's the world's leading expert and is cited by everyone else who writes about nails? then his views, as published in leading RSs about nails, will receive much attention in the article. A Nail article in a magazine not devoted to nails? Let's see, is it about building materials? Metallurgy? If yes, then some weight is given. If its a magazine about something else, and nails are only mentioned in passing, no weight will be given - the magazine may be an RS for something else, but not nails. A blog post about nails doesn't meet RS and will not be considered. Your cousin George's opinion is OR and will not be considered, even if he's a contractor and knows a lot about nails. But Truth cannot be validated in this way. That's why Wikipedia is not about Truth; its about what is verifiable. And that's one of pillars of Wikipedia - a core policy. [[WP:V]]. You must learn to understand this policy if you want to avoid policy violations here. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<small><sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup>[[User:Heimstern/Ignoring incivility|Advice]]</small> 22:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC) |
:::Look, read this, think it over, and try to understand this point of view: Truth is inherently subjective. My truth is not your truth is not someone else's truth. If I believe in reincarnation, that's my truth. If you don't, we can argue all day each thinking we have The Truth, but there will not be a resolution. But verifiable facts are different. There they are; if there are different views then standards can be applied as to whose view is verifiably more likely to be accurate - how to weight different views. For example, a nail expert's opinion is huge on the Nail article. He's the world's leading expert and is cited by everyone else who writes about nails? then his views, as published in leading RSs about nails, will receive much attention in the article. A Nail article in a magazine not devoted to nails? Let's see, is it about building materials? Metallurgy? If yes, then some weight is given. If its a magazine about something else, and nails are only mentioned in passing, no weight will be given - the magazine may be an RS for something else, but not nails. A blog post about nails doesn't meet RS and will not be considered. Your cousin George's opinion is OR and will not be considered, even if he's a contractor and knows a lot about nails. But Truth cannot be validated in this way. That's why Wikipedia is not about Truth; its about what is verifiable. And that's one of pillars of Wikipedia - a core policy. [[WP:V]]. You must learn to understand this policy if you want to avoid policy violations here. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<small><sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup>[[User:Heimstern/Ignoring incivility|Advice]]</small> 22:46, 29 September 2011 (UTC) |
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::::Is it the truth that the entire Christian Bible (KJV) includes the word "God"? Is there any way the truth can be "No"? Do you think we should include a RS that says the answer is "No?" Is that the kind of nonsense you want in WP? If it is, then you can help make a horrible Encyclopedia. Truth is not inherently subjective, because there are absolute truths regardless if someone doesn't believe them. If someone doesn't believe the KJV has the word "God" in it, that may be their belief, but that is objectively false and foolish. WP must be about truth to have any worth, even if it's just implying the truth is that these are the various views of the controversial issues. If WP is not about truth, then the site should be closed, and readers should not be led to believe what is written is true (whether statements of fact or statements about different views). Truth matters in life, it matters about God, and it matters on WP. What a an awful excuse for an Encyclopedia if it doesn't care about what is true. I can't convince you, maybe. I can pray for you. You talk about conflating truth and |
::::Is it the truth that the entire Christian Bible (KJV) includes the word "God"? Is there any way the truth can be "No"? Do you think we should include a RS that says the answer is "No?" Is that the kind of nonsense you want in WP? If it is, then you can help make a horrible Encyclopedia. Truth is not inherently subjective, because there are absolute truths regardless if someone doesn't believe them. If someone doesn't believe the KJV has the word "God" in it, that may be their belief, but that is objectively false and foolish. WP must be about truth to have any worth, even if it's just implying the truth is that these are the various views of the controversial issues. If WP is not about truth, then the site should be closed, and readers should not be led to believe what is written is true (whether statements of fact or statements about different views). Truth matters in life, it matters about God, and it matters on WP. What a an awful excuse for an Encyclopedia if it doesn't care about what is true. I can't convince you, maybe. I can pray for you. You talk about conflating truth and (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/search/word,fact) fact...I hope you help make a great Encyclopedia. [[User:WalkerThrough|WalkerThrough]] ([[User talk:WalkerThrough|talk]]) 23:09, 29 September 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::It is a verifiable fact that the Bible contains the word "God" and is largely concerned with the doings and pronouncements of the Christian deity. That is all that matters here on Wikipedia; please do not spam my talk page with more polemics about Truth, real or perceived. If you do I will remove them. Please confine your posts to questions about policy, which I will do my best to answer. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<small><sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup>[[User:Heimstern/Ignoring incivility|Advice]]</small> 23:14, 29 September 2011 (UTC) |
:::::It is a verifiable fact that the Bible contains the word "God" and is largely concerned with the doings and pronouncements of the Christian deity. That is all that matters here on Wikipedia; please do not spam my talk page with more polemics about Truth, real or perceived. If you do I will remove them. Please confine your posts to questions about policy, which I will do my best to answer. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<small><sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup>[[User:Heimstern/Ignoring incivility|Advice]]</small> 23:14, 29 September 2011 (UTC) |
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Intrusion?Not at all. Please feel free to edit the evidence as you wish. NW (Talk) 04:34, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
List of Hollyoaks: Animated charactersHello, KillerChihuahua … You just deleted Ash James (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) … please note List of Hollyoaks: Animated characters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) … Some Other Editor has tagged all of these fictional characters (created by a WP:SPA) for deletion, perhaps with an incorrect tag … they all lack WP:RS to satisfy WP:GNG, so what is the best way to get rid of them? Happy Editing! — 70.21.12.213 (talk · contribs) 19:19, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello, KC you have declined the CSD on Marat Terterov with A claim is made (and wrongly linked) of notability. This is a good reason to decline an A7, but mine was a G12 copyright infringement! Maybe speed reading.--Ben Ben (talk) 19:40, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
A cookie for you!
SD to PRODHey KillerChihauhua, hope you have had a good day. I noticed you changed two articles, Mike Clarkson & Matt McFadden from speedy deletion. However, seeings as the editor recently created 10 articles advertising his webs mini series - which has hardly any views on youtube - didn't that meet one requirement - given the context? Here is the the contribs from the editor - [2]. There is an issue that the stubbed character articles are a blatant hoax (which being familiar with the actual series, I know they is) - but for an outsider, because in two of the character articles created, they used fairly well known actor names as the portrayers. A google search proves they do not play these characters. I'm not sure we should have to wait seven days for them to be deleted. Also, as you may be better at dealing with deletion issues and so forth - is there any way to have them all removed quicker?RaintheOne BAM 20:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
(N.B. I also posted this to admins User:Mbisanz, User:Lifebaka and User:Elonka earlier today)
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Many thanks, --Surturz (talk) 05:11, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello KC. I was about to close this AE with a 3-month topic ban, which I think is a result that you supported. At the last minute Jonchapple made an offer of better behavior. Do you want to check the AE to see if this would change your advice on what to do? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 00:46, 23 September 2011 (UTC) s/heWell, thanks!! I also appreciate your following these disputes as I appreciate your opinion, especially here. At the Bible page, one of the first things Walker Through said is something like "this is the truth" and when I said WP is about verifiability not truth, he replied that no, WP should be about truth. So I hope you follow the discussion on the Bible talk page because i am sure that over the next few days other people will need this basic point explained to them clearly, as you have done. But the she thing - I am not always consistent, but it really is the approach I have tried to take for many years here. I sure am glad that Nil Einne commented, too. Slrubenstein | Talk 12:23, 26 September 2011 (UTC) Steaua in EuropeThe current version of FC Steaua București in Europe is the wrong, please edit back to version from 06:06, 27 September 2011. Current page has no aesthetics, please look at the page of Chelsea, format of Steaua is very bad, a small table, large table, then a small, large table... Another example: Every change are making is changing from a direct link (like Budapest Honvéd FC) to a redirect (like Honved FC). Since the title of the article is Budapest Honvéd FC, we should match that in the article. While it's okay to have redirects in an article, there is no reason to intentionally change to redirects. In addition, many of those names are governed by our policies like WP:Article titles and WP:MOS, and so they may need to remain in their current version. Jjmihai 17:44, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Use the template, as I said. You place the template on the article talk page, in this case, put {{editprotected}} on Talk:FC Steaua București in Europe. Follow the directions at Wikipedia:Edit requests. What you put on the talk page will look something like this:
Of course you must replace my example desired edit with what you want done - take out the "Please fix the spelling..." part and put in the edit you want. The four tildes (~~~~) will add your signature and a date and time stamp. The {{editprotected}} will automagically turn into a request for an admin to come look at the edit you want made. KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 13:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
DiscussionPlease join in User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Further_reading.2FExternal_links. (I also posted this message at the link in your signature where the Talk link normally resides. I don't understand the connection, but then I don't know where you normally check your messages.) 75.59.229.4 (talk) 00:00, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
ok, ROFLMAO at the idea of Elonka being my "friend". We're more like civil enemies. We disagree on almost everything. I don't think she should be an admin, and she once spent a week writing an Rfc on me. I picked her as a random example because her sig confused and annoyed me when I first clicked on it, so I remembered it. KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 14:21, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
(after ec) You are in error. I consider incivility a huge, huge problem. You have no idea. However, what I don't see is that complaining and escalating serves any purpose. I think AGF is the best ever advice given; I didn't write the essay I link to in my sig, but boiled down it advises not to take offense, not to escalate, and not to let someone else dictate your approach (ie, don't let someone piss you off and drag you into fights.) It also says some people are trolls and don't give them satisfaction, if I remember correctly, and that isn't such bad advice either. I try to follow that advice, and I think there would be less drama, arguments and self-righteous hurt feelings if everyone followed that and AGF. I am very rarely (almost never, actually) accused of being rude. Perhaps I'm off my game today; my aim is always to be clear, concise and helpful. I never intend to be rude and if I am unintentionally rude I generally apologize. However, I sometimes do not apologise when I'm not being rude, and the other party is simply determined to take offense, to use a common phrase (eg, trolling). I have not ridiculed anyone who has misunderstood my meaning; this is common in text and I expect misunderstandings and am always happy to clarify if I have been unclear in any way. FYI, your condescending phrasing and judgmental approach to what you have erroneously decided are my views is unhelpful and a bit insulting. Its interesting that you feel qualified to lecture me on how I think and feel, and don't see the irony in the rudeness of your unasked for and misplaced (in the sense that you're dead wrong on my views) lecture. As I've been an admin for over 5 years now, I don't know when you expect me to "appreciate" what an admin on wp is; I'm fairly confident I'm clear on my understanding at the present time. And lastly, I have no idea what you intended to accomplish by your post. KillerChihuahua?!?Advice 17:13, 29 September 2011 (UTC) SockeryRemember, the great detectives thought I was User:Sam Spade once.--Tznkai (talk) 19:39, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:BibleYou are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Bible. ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 20:58, 29 September 2011 (UTC)Template:Z48
Maybe we can have a fresh startHi Killer, I think we got off to a bad start. I was not aware of some WP policies and I can understand that you were unhappy with that, and therefore me. I was also in a disagreement with your friend Slru, which I think did not go well with you. I can also see how you may want to follow me around everywhere and ensure that I do follow policy. Please allow me to reassure you that I do want to follow WP policies, as I realize that it is necessary on WP. At the same time, sometimes I feel from you an inclination to resist me, even on minor things. I would appreciate it if we can work together as editors and not against each other. I don't want us to be opponents, and I hope you can agree. Kindness and support would certainly be appreciated. WalkerThrough (talk) 21:20, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
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