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WikiProject Oklahoma
Welcome to the WikiProject Oklahoma discussion page. Please use this page to discuss issues regarding Oklahoma related articles, project guidelines, ideas, suggestions and questions. Thank you for visiting!

US Collaboration reactivated & Portal:United States starting next

Casliber recently posted a suggestion on the talk page for WikiProject United States about getting the US Wikipedians Collaboration page going again in an effort to build up articles for GA through FA class. See Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTM. After several days of work from him the page is up and ready for action. A few candidates have already been added for you to vote on or you can submit one using the directions provided. If you are looking for inspiration here is a link to the most commonly viewed articles currently under the scope of Wikiproject United States. There are tons of good articles in the various US related projects as well so feel free to submit any article relating to US topics (not just those under the scope of WPUS). This noticeboard is intended for ‘’’All’’’ editors working on US subjects, not just those under WPUS.

The next item I intend to start updating is Portal:United States if anyone is interested in helping. Again this is not specific to WPUS and any help would be greatly appreciated to maximize visibility of US topics. The foundation has already been established its just a matter of updating the content with some new images, biographies and articles. Please let leave a comment on the Portals talk page or let me know if you have any questions or ideas. --Kumioko (talk) 19:20, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion for this project to be supported by WikiProject United States

It was recently suggested that this project be included in the list of projects supported by WikiProject United States. After reviewing the project it appears that there have been very little activity on either the main project page or talk page. Before any action is taken I want to ensure that the members of the project concur with this action. Please feel free to contact me if there are any comments or questions. --Kumioko (talk) 17:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

This discussion has been open for 11 days so far with no comment. Does anyone have any comments or concerns about this suggestion? --Kumioko (talk) 21:22, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

There are only a few of us that remain in the project I will send out a project wide notice of this. Can you provide more information about this.--Dcheagle 00:08, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

First let me say that the project page with members stay basically as they are with the members able to dictate how things happen, scope of the project, etc. Its not going to be absorbed or dissolved and the scope won't change unless the members want it too. How it will be supported can depend on what the members of the project want. Typically though since WPUS is a bigger project with a lot more members, it has a newsletter, a monthly collaboration, multiple bots that run actively through the articles for various things (as can be seen on the members page) with more being setup as we go along.

The main change would be that the WikiProject banner would be replaced with the WPUS banner and would support the full range of quality and importance categories. You can take a look at Category talk:Visitor attractions in South Carolina to see an example of how it will look in the banner. All the projects support a standard group of parameters such as Needs infobox, image, map, attention, geo coordinates, references, etc. We also have categories for tracking which articles have to do lists and comments associated to them. We will also make sure that any applicable automation tools are setup such as article alerts, Recognized content, popular pages, etc. This also reduces the number of banners on the talk page of the articles and still allows various bots to do their business, etc.

This all means that the project and its articles will be seen by a lot of people in a lot of ways. It will allow the editors of the United States to work as one big team as well as in smaller groups in there projects rather than a bunch of individual projects with little contact between them. It will expand the projects current level of automation and expand its ability to categorize different problems in articles so they can be addressed.

Just for general info up till now we have mostly been concentrating on building up the project but by the end of the month we will have pretty much determined who needs or wants support and will be able to focus on other things like recruiting for the projects and article improvement some drives to build up articles, create new ones, etc. I hope this helps. With all that said if the project members aren't interested in support that.s fine. This is just a suggestion and no one is forcing anyone to do anything. --Kumioko (talk) 01:23, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick response, I have sent out a project wide notice. As soon as its received by all active users we'll begin talking about this.--Dcheagle 01:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem at all I appreciate you doing that. I would rather wait a bit longer to make sure everyone has had a chance to comment then go too soon and anger the members. --Kumioko (talk) 01:48, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I just wanted to check back and see if there was anyone who had a comment? --Kumioko (talk) 00:24, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

My thoughts are the same as at the Kansas project. Ks0stm ^(T•C•G) 00:29, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I think its a good idea but I would like to see what other members of the project think.--Dcheagle 00:36, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely, I agree. --Kumioko (talk) 00:43, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I didn't realize how inactive this wikiproject has been recently. Personally I cannot see any advantages of changing this wikiproject's template and would prefer not to join WPUS. WPUS already is the parent project of WPOK so further integration seems unnecessary. I can try to stir up more activity for WPOK when I'm not so busy (in two weeks). -Uyvsdi (talk) 00:09, 14 September 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

The project is active just not on the project pages all the members are actively editing. I did a purge of the members list a few weeks back just to check and everyone of them was editing. As for me I don't see any disadvantageous to merging its not like the project will just go away If anything it might pull members in. But with ether option its up to the project to decide in the end. Hints the message that was sent out today alerting the project to this.--Dcheagle 00:33, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

As a longtime participant in WikiProject Oklahoma, I strongly oppose the proposal to place it under the banner of WikiProject United States for three reasons:

(1) As noted by other Wikipedians contributing to this discussion, WikiProject Oklahoma is already a “child WikiProject” of WikiProject United States which should render this discussion moot. (2) One of reasons I have always liked WikiProject Oklahoma is its wider array of articles in comparison to other U.S. state WikiProjects, which could be subjected to even more deletion discussions and criticisms of non-notability or low-importance if the WikiProject were placed under the banner of WikiProject United States. (3) Based upon my experience with WikiProject United States Government, another WikiProject that met the “fate” being proposed here, I saw a sharp decline in activity at that WikiProject following its placement under the “support” of WikiProject United States.

I hope that the arguments I have presented above will help convince my fellow WikiProject Oklahoma participants that this proposal should be soundly rejected. --TommyBoy (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Its really no problem to me if the members don't want to be supported but just for clarification being a child project doesn't = support. The bots, newsletter etc won't automatically go to the members and the bots won't run against the articles. As for US Government, that project was marked inactive when I added it to the list of supported projects (as well as several others such as Us governors and US state legislatures) and I would argue the definition of decline, more articles have been added to the project and more edits have been made to those articles. I'm not sure why the activity dropped off but it could also be contributed to the sharp decline in overall editor participation throughout Wikipedia. Which is part of the reason I am trying to see what projects want or need support. In general though I would say the editors just lost interest and moved on, which is a shame. These projects individually still need editor participation I am simply trying to take some of the pressure off so the editors can focus more on the articles and less on the projects. --Kumioko (talk) 13:17, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I think for the time being, not at this time. I just don't see any real advantages overall and I like the autonomous of this project. Granted, the project itself has been lacking in vision and direction for some time on what needs to be done, but I don't see how incorporating into another project will help drive interest to edit articles about OK. Maybe when I see how other state projects turn out in the future I might change my feelings. --Crimsonedge34 (talk) 09:24, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok I'm going to take Oklahoma and Tulsa off the list. --Kumioko (talk) 11:17, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

A couple suggestions for the project

Since this project does not wish to be supported by WikiProject United States I'll leave these suggestions here if anyone wants to take them for action.

1. I found quite a bit of content containing Oklahoma, Ok, OK and Tulsa that isn't tagged for the project yet. I created a page for that here with about 6000 pieces of content. There are quite a few redirects but there are a lot of articles as well. There may also be a few false positives but I haven't scrubbed it much yet.
2. The project doesn't currently track the following things: needing infoboxes, needing references, containing comments, containing to do lists, the project doesn't have a to do list linked, needing geo coordinates, needing images, needing attention, needing maps. This will allow editors interested in that topic area to more easily focus there efforts.
3. The project doesn't currently track non article content of: Category, Template, Book, Redirect, Project, Portal, Disambig, File and FM. I recommend adding these. This will allow Article alert bot to notify the project if any of these content types are suggested for discussion, deletion, review, etc without having to watch all the for discussion, deletion, review boards as closely.
4. The University of Oklahoma project seems to be inactive and I recommend lookingn into adding it as a taskforce to the Oklahoma project. --Kumioko (talk) 14:29, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

How would I go about added the things listed on 2 an 3. As for WikiProject University of Oklahoma I would be Ok with that being brought down as a task-force heck it should have been a task-force in the first place.--Dcheagle 20:37, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Speaking as (last I checked) the only regularly active person in the OU WikiProject (and I only joined it a month or two ago), I'm all for its integration into the Oklahoma project. I can't do everything by myself. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 20:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I think it would be a great idea to see it integrated, Ill start messing with integration later tonight after I look at some things.--Dcheagle 20:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I can do some banner work on #1. AnnaJune (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:33, 15 September 2011 (UTC).

OK, the 20 random articles I looked at had the project banner on the talk page. Maybe I don't understand the task. AnnaJune (talk) 23:43, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

The goal is to put the project banner on the talk pages of any of the pages listed here If Wikiproject Oklahoma's banner is already on a page then skip to the next one on the list.--Dcheagle 00:38, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

I fixed the list, my apologies for that. --Kumioko (talk) 00:59, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Feel free to move that list to a subpage under my own user name as to not have to use up your own userspace.

Its really no problem but its moved as requested. --Kumioko (talk) 01:11, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

How would we go about setting up the things you listed under 2 an 3.--Dcheagle 01:20, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

First I would suggest creating a sandbox for the template and make sure they work before implementing on the live template. I would recommend creating the categories first and then adding the coding to the template. Then you'll need to populate the categories either by hand or by bot. There are several bots capable of doing this. If you would like I can do most of those changes pretty quickly since I have done it several times already. --Kumioko (talk) 02:01, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Is there any pages that explain this more indepth.--Dcheagle 02:14, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Unforunately, not really. There is some documentation but its pretty lacking in my opinion and rather hard to follow. Frankly working with the WikiProject banner template coding can make the head hurt. I went ahead and created the coding in the sandbox so you can see what it looks like. I have found that the easiest way to create all the categories and pages when adding multiple items like this is to add all the ones you want to a subpage and then just start from the top and work down. Some things can be easily templated like the class and importance categories because you usually only have to change one or 2 things from one category to the next. I created a subpage here to make it easier to determine what categories and project pages need to be created. I used the standard naming I have been using for the WPUS pages in case this project is supported at some point in the future. I hope this helps. --Kumioko (talk) 02:39, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Wow Thank you I will take a look at all of this and see what I need to do. Also thanks again your being mighty helpful.--Dcheagle 02:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Ill help out with the categories and stuff tomorrow unless someone beats me too it. --Kumioko (talk) 02:59, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

All categories are built, most pages are created, I fixed the template code so you should be able to implement that whenever your ready. I also verified tulsa and UofOK were setup for Recognized content with JL-bot and Article alertbot so whenever those kick off they should be good to go. The only thing that still needs to be done is to update the projects to do lists and to populate the new categories with content. The other thing I didn't do was to consolodate the membership lists. What I recommend here is to create subpages under the projects for Active members, then put all the active members on the membership page of the Oklahoma project so that if a user adds their name in either place it updates both. Please let me know if you need any more help. Oh sorry you might want to update the template doumentation as well once its implemented. and deprecate the UofOK template. If you take a look at Template:WikiProject Arizona you can see how I did it in the history. --Kumioko (talk) 14:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok Thank you I will be spending the afternoon looking at everything.--Dcheagle 18:36, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject University of Oklahoma

It seems that there are maybe Three active Participants in the project, Im going to message them and ask if they care if the project is brought under this Wiki project as a Taskforce. If they don't I will merge the project into a task force.--Dcheagle 00:52, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

You have my blessing.»NMajdan·talk 15:54, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Like I said above, I'm fine with it. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 16:10, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

I will begin work on merging the project with this one.--Dcheagle 20:41, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject University of Oklahoma→Task-force OU

It seems that there is consensuses to bring the project under WikiProject Oklahoma I believe a name change is in order I plan to change it to Task-force OU. I However would like the input from the two members who gave the Ok as such I will leave a message on their talk pages.--Dcheagle 21:16, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Enh, I'd say just make the name "OU Task Force", but other than that sure. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 05:34, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Ether one is good to me.--Dcheagle 05:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Gary England

Would anyone object if I were to offer a WikiProject Oklahoma barnstar at the reward board for getting this article up to GA or higher status? Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 04:07, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Sure go for it. That's why the barnstar was created for in the first place.--Dcheagle 04:32, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Pioneer Library System

An article on the Pioneer Library System is needed. You can use

• "Pioneer Library System to buy Borders bookstore building in Norman". NewsOK. The Oklahoman. September 27, 2011.

and their website as starting points. Thanks. 72.244.206.178 (talk) 08:56, 25 October 2011 (UTC)