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This youtube video is self-published by Waybe Besen and is an extremely poor source. This derogatory attack on Lisa Ling violates WP:BLP, specifically WP:BLPSPS. Note that 3RR does not apply to removal of BLP violations.– Lionel ^(talk) 23:58, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Saying that Ling apparently did not do a good job researching this subject is not a "derogatory attack". Wayne Besen is a recognized expert on the subject of the "ex-gay" movement, having published an award-nominated book on the subject. His expertise and experience with the subject are more than ample to justify including his point of view on this subject, whether it's in the form of a YouTube video or an op-ed in The New York Times. Please stop removing this valid information for an invalid reason. Thanks. 76.201.145.83 (talk) 00:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Self published is self published. This source is not allowable per WP:BLP. Continue to edir war and you risk blocking.– Lionel ^(talk) 00:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Self-published sources are not categorically forbidden. And even if they were, there are plenty of sources that are not self-published which report Besen's saying the same thing. 76.201.145.83 (talk) 00:54, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have now added a non-self published source to the article which supports the statement. This issue is addressed per your own stated requirements. 76.201.145.83 (talk) 00:57, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::Self published is self published. This source is not allowable per WP:BLP. Continue to edir war and you risk blocking.&ndash; [[user:Lionelt|Lionel]] <sup>([[user talk:Lionelt|talk]])</sup> 00:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 :::: Self-published sources are not categorically forbidden. And even if they were, there are plenty of sources that are not self-published which report Besen's saying the same thing. [[Special:Contributions/76.201.145.83|76.201.145.83]] ([[User talk:76.201.145.83|talk]]) 00:54, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
+I have now added a non-self published source to the article which supports the statement. This issue is addressed per your own stated requirements. [[Special:Contributions/76.201.145.83|76.201.145.83]] ([[User talk:76.201.145.83|talk]]) 00:57, 30 October 2011 (UTC)