Talk:Tom and Jerry (drink)

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dubious locality

I find the claim that it is limited to "the Upper Midwest" is dubious. I'm in Seattle and we know the drink very well. I could not tell you how many other people in Seattle know it, but our family has been drinking it for 3 generations, it is a Christmas tradition. My grandfather came from England, I suspect that he learned the recipe over there. Many years later he became a bartender, so there was at least one bartender in Seattle who could fix you a T&J. How widespread it is in Seattle I could not tell you, but I bet it's pretty common over in England. If you think about the promotion of the book, it makes sense that England heard about it too.

eggnog vs Tom and Jerry

I don't quite get this article/recipe... an "eggnog with brandy" is just that... it's an eggnog. The thing that makes a T&J different from an eggnog is the folded eggs with sugar. if that were not the case you would never be able to claim that it is only available in the Midwest, because there is hardly a town in America where you can not buy pre-made eggnog by the half-gallon, at Christmas time. and plenty of people like to spike their eggnog with a little something extra. you can hardly call that unique. a spiked eggnog is NOT a T&J. If Egan introduced T&J as being a spiked eggnog then it needs to have a specific cited reference. otherwise the claim is bogus.

I read some of the references and found nothing to contradict my assertion that eggnog and tom and jerry are distinctly different drinks and should not be confused with each other as this article currently does. although the ingredients are similar, it's all in how you prepare them. For instance scrambled eggs and an omelet are not at all the same thing even though they can be made with the identical ingredients. same thing goes for T&J vs Eggnog. the eggnog is blended to a uniform consistency, but the T&J the egg whites are beaten separately from the yolks and then folded together. Both texture and taste of T&J are different from eggnog. How could they sell a T&J batter mix if it were identical to eggnog except for the brandy. reading the references, historically eggnog was mixed with a wide variety of alcohol even including wine... basically anything that was available. The key difference is that for T&J the yolks are separated from the egg-whites, in eggnog the whole egg is used.

eggnog vs Tom and Jerry 2

I would agree that the addition of brandy to rum wouldn't be enough to define a drink as a Tom and Jerry. Eggnogs often sport various liquors. Further, I don't think I would want to argue that the preparation of the eggs is really the defining feature. I have seen many eggnogs where the eggs are separated and the whites, whipped to stiff peaks, and then folded in with the other ingredients. Check the recipes at drinksmixer.com, for example. Many recipes for eggnog use that same preparation. It seems to me much more likely that the heat of the drink is most significant. I've never seen an eggnog served warm but Tom and Jerry seems to always be.