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No, that's not what the 1985 rule says at all. The 1985 rule is limited to banning a team for two seasons of competition. It does not shut down a program completely. SMU wasn't shut down completely. They still had some scholarships, the practiced and they were still allowed to pay coaches. The NCAA has never banned anyone from competition permanently or completely shut down a program. That has never happened. [[User:Leochews|Leochews]] ([[User talk:Leochews|talk]]) 01:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC) |
No, that's not what the 1985 rule says at all. The 1985 rule is limited to banning a team for two seasons of competition. It does not shut down a program completely. SMU wasn't shut down completely. They still had some scholarships, the practiced and they were still allowed to pay coaches. The NCAA has never banned anyone from competition permanently or completely shut down a program. That has never happened. [[User:Leochews|Leochews]] ([[User talk:Leochews|talk]]) 01:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC) |
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And also, it was not "agreed upon by all" that the Kentucky 1953 punishment was "in effect" the death penalty. No one else was even involved in that discussion. Moe stopped commenting on the thread and archived it. You are the only one who said that. No one else agreed with you. [[User:Leochews|Leochews]] ([[User talk:Leochews|talk]]) 01:33, 23 January 2012 (UTC) |
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Adolph Rupp page vandalism again.I hate to bring this up again, but the Adolph Rupp page has been vandalized several times today. Is there anything Wiki can do about protecting this page? Seriously, the same person is constantly creating new accounts, and then posting the same vandalism over and over. Please take a look at today's history and keep an eye on this again. I know it's frustrating, but the level of some people's agenda is amazing. Thank you.Jbfwildcat (talk) 03:36, 22 January 2012 (UTC) I've had ONE other account "giochews" which was deleted, so I created my current account. I made some drastic changes to show the obnoxiousness of the page, which you have made a joke. You have continually edited everything to your standards, which are not the standards of Wikipedia. You have changed everything, including the stuff Moe added a few weeks ago. I made some changes to information that was one-sided, and you reverted it within 1 minute, and then made the same changes yourself! What's wrong with you? --Mullinwhite (talk) 04:13, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
More of the same by Leochews on the Adolph Rupp page.A consensus was reaching on the wording of the 1951 point shaving scandal section, and Leochews fought hard for the inclusion of the term "death penalty" to be added. Now, he wants to change the meaning to suit his agenda. I contend if there is no such thing as the "death penalty", then no reference to it should be allowed in the article. Further, the edits he's making to the new sections added to the article are removing information that is common knowledge among the college basketball community, able to be verified in dozens of publications, both online and in print. Some of these are listed as references.Jbfwildcat (talk) 18:47, 22 January 2012 (UTC) Moe, this person is reverting edits of things YOU added to this page, along with your sources. Jbfwildcat (talk) 21:22, 22 January 2012 (UTC) No surprise to see you here complaining to Moe. You rewrote everything Moe added to that page. You also revert every single edit I make, even if you agree with it. Moe did not write that Byers referred to the UK penalty as the "de facto" death penalty, you did. I have never vandalized the Rupp page or even said anything derogatory about the man, I just wanted the page to be accurate. Even after I cited the NCAA recognizing this case as the first instance of the death penalty, you still insist that it is not. How can you deny this? Leochews (talk) 22:44, 22 January 2012 (UTC) Moe and I both made edits to the section weeks ago, and got the wording fair. You agreed with this at the time. This is nothing that is not factual about this section, and yet you now can't decide if it was the "death penalty" or not. On one hand, you say that Byers called it the "death penalty" (he referred to it as such after the 1985 legislation was passed), and then you say that there is no such thing as the "death penalty", and the 1985 ruling did not establish it. You can't have it both ways. In effect, the 1953 ruling was the "death penalty in some ways (but not all), but it was never referred to as such until AFTER the 1985 ruling was passed. Hence, in hindsight. The section explains this clearly.Jbfwildcat (talk) 22:51, 22 January 2012 (UTC) How can you say that the 1953 punishment was the death penalty in some ways but not at all in the same sentence? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. I agreed with Moe's original edits. He stopped editing this after the citations to the NCAA were inserted. You changed what Moe wrote after he stopped editing it. That is what bothered me. We agreed on a section, yet you continued to edit it based on your own standards, not wikipedia's. Leochews (talk) 23:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC) Nope, wrong. Sorry, but it was agreed by all that Kentucky 1953 punishment was "in effect" the death penalty, and that both Byers and the NCAA now retroactively referred to it as such. The section states this. I didn't add anything to the section other than including the entire quote from the NCAA website, something you also tried to remove several times. Once again, YOU are the one removing things that Moe added, not me, and the wording that is being changed was added and agreed upon weeks ago. I have not added anything to the section since then. YOU are the one who has opened up the can of worms again. By the way, you also stated today that the 1985 ruling was not actually the "death penalty". And you call that factual?Jbfwildcat (talk) 23:21, 22 January 2012 (UTC) What I said was the NCAA does not have a rule defined as the death penalty that was created in 1985, which it does not. The death penalty is a term that loosely means the NCAA canceled a teams' entire season. All five cases of the death penalty are different. Two of them happened prior to the 1985 rule you are referencing. In fact, SMU was the only school to be punished under the `985 rule you speak of. This rule is the repeat offender rule. It is not called the death penalty in the NCAA rule book. However, the NCAA recognizes that when a school (UK Basketball in 1953) has a season canceled because of major violations, it is the death penalty. I don't know how to make that more clear. Leochews (talk) 23:31, 22 January 2012 (UTC) No, the 1985 ruling does more than just give the ability to the NCAA to cancel a season. it enables them to SHUT DOWN a sports program for a variety of reasons, and NO, this power did not exist before the 1985 ruling, and nor was any previous NCAA case referred to as the "death penalty" prior to this 1985 ruling, by the media or otherwise. Further, the NCAA (and Byers) only started to refer to Kentucky's 1953 penalty as the "death penalty" AFTER the 1985 legislation, and even at that, they only do so with qualifiers like "in effect". The section explains all of this, and it's the truth. I don't see your problem.Jbfwildcat (talk) 23:42, 22 January 2012 (UTC) No, that's not what the 1985 rule says at all. The 1985 rule is limited to banning a team for two seasons of competition. It does not shut down a program completely. SMU wasn't shut down completely. They still had some scholarships, the practiced and they were still allowed to pay coaches. The NCAA has never banned anyone from competition permanently or completely shut down a program. That has never happened. Leochews (talk) 01:18, 23 January 2012 (UTC) And also, it was not "agreed upon by all" that the Kentucky 1953 punishment was "in effect" the death penalty. No one else was even involved in that discussion. Moe stopped commenting on the thread and archived it. You are the only one who said that. No one else agreed with you. Leochews (talk) 01:33, 23 January 2012 (UTC) |