Wikipedia talk:Lyrics and poetry

Talk page for lyrics and poetry. Please see Discussion below. Dunc|☺ 29 June 2005 20:47 (UTC)

External link to lyrics

There are plenty of web sites that provide song lyrics, ignoring copyright [1]. Is it acceptable to link to them? Cdyson37 | (Talk) 12:49, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

There's nothing that says you can't link to those sites, but as they are in violation of copyright, they are probably very poor sources. But for lyrics, you can't really get much wrong there. You can link it, but it would be much more preferable to find a site that you know is not in violation of copyright. But the answer is yes, you can link it. People will just have to judge the ref for themselves. And the link should likely go in an External Links section, not the main references (unless it played an important part in the article's writing). --DanielCD 20:17, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

What says you cant is here: WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided; it's number #5 in the list at the moment. -- Mikeblas 14:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

What makes you so sure that site is ignoring copyright anyway? It looks fine to me. --DanielCD 20:21, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

What makes me sure is that the site has reproduced the lyrics, in whole, for the song. It doesn't acknowledge the author or the copyright holder's rights, or include notice of a waiver of those rights. Fair use doesn't attach, as the page in question doesn't include any critical anaylsis, education analysis, translation, or so on. There's absolutely zero value-add. -- Mikeblas 14:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:COPY clearly says, "If you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work." I think something to that extent needs to be added to this page so when external links are removed, the complainers can be pointed here. — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib} 14:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

External link to copyright compliant lyrics

Hi, Since most of the discussion here seems to be a few years old I thought I would give an update. There are now copyright compliant lyric sites. There is a lyric aggregator (LyricFind) that deals with the record labels, amassed the licensing then tracks, reports, and pays royalties to those publishers on a song-by-song and territory-by-territory basis. You can read more on their "About us" page Here and Here is a recent news article about getting worldwide lyric rights. In a nutshell this is how it works. The Right's Holder give Lyricfind the lyrics and permission to distribute their works LF tracks and pays the Right's Holder. LF has 2 ways that they distributes the lyrics. 1. by powering the legal lyrics for other lyric sites and 2. having their own mobile apps. NOTE the Rights Holder still maintains control of their lyrics. As an example if a Rights Holder gave LF their lyrics then a year later discover a spelling error ie "There" instead of "Their" the Rights Holder lets LF know of a change and LF makes the change. Since all the sites powered by LF and all the mobile apps pull their lyric data from the LF database the change to the lyrics happen automatically and across all platforms at the same time. I found 2 sites that are powered by LF http://www.lyricsnmusic.com/ and http://www.lyricsty.com/ I'm sure there are more. These sites now meet the "What can normally be linked"[[2]] and Official links WP:ELOFFICIAL My thought is that on a songs article page we should link to a copyright compliant lyric webpage and to the Official Bands website. Bstark247(talk)

User:Wikipedian Penguin had a concern about sites powered by LyricFind that still allows users to upload lyrics so I thought I would address it - User generated lyrics are meant for Indie Bands and Bands that LyricsFind does not have deals with their record companies. Here is an example of a user generated lyric page Link if you look at the bottom of the lyrics you will see "Powered By LYRICSnMUSIC" this means the lyrics are not from the LyricFind Data Base. However most of the lyric pages are powered by LyricFind. Here is an example of a page powered by LyricFind link at the bottom of these lyrics you will see the credits and the link to LyricFind that means the lyrics are coming from the LyricFind Data Base. This allows Lyric to be displayed by both large and small bands. I think it's important to only link to lyric pages that are powered by LyricFind, then you are sure it's 100% copyright compliant. Bstark247 (talk) 01:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposed merge

Hi, just a short note to let you know that the discussion regarding the proposed merge is happening at Wikipedia_talk:Don't_include_copies_of_primary_sources#Proposed_merge as it is the relevant place to discuss the merger. Thanks, --Gurubrahma 12:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Is this a guideline?

Hi, I'm wondering if the editors of this page consider this to be a full guideline. The tag at the top is different from more accepted guidelines, and that makes me wonder. One thing i'm proposing is that you use the Template:guideline, rather than the tag you have now. Please discuss it here (i'll be posting this message on other pages that have this same tag). Thanks! Fresheneesz 20:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Translations

Would a page of a translation of a song in a foreign language be a copyright violation? — ShadowHalo 09:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, if you are not authorized to publish a copy of a work, then you are not authorized to publish a translation of it either. And someone else's authorized translation carries its own translation copyright with it as well. —Largo Plazo (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Consensus

This page never seems to have gone through any test of consensus to make it a guideline; it's been around for years and massivlely changed in that time, but no one ever had a straw poll or anythign to check. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 02:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't include overly-long lyrics

The article states "You should include lyrics and poetry whose copyright has expired." I disagree. I think it should say "...unless it is too long to be presentable." Something like that. Wrad (talk) 03:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Paranoia link

The phrase avoid copyright paranoia should link directly to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Avoid_copyright_paranoia. Could someone who knows how do this please? Koro Neil (talk) 05:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

MoS naming style

There is currently an ongoing discussion about the future of this and others MoS naming style. Please consider the issues raised in the discussion and vote if you wish GnevinAWB (talk) 20:53, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Different font for lyrics

There's a question at Talk:O Canada#Formatting of lyrics regarding the use of a different font to highlight in the article the lyrics of the anthem from the surrounding prose text. I wonder if someone from here could weigh in at that discussion with their opinion. Cheers. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:26, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Poet article for deletion

Editors here may wish to comment on this proposed article deletion. The poet's notability is being challenged. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 16:37, 8 January 2012 (UTC)