User talk:Honorsteem

January 2012

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Reductio ad Hitlerum, please cite a reliable source for your addition. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. See Wikipedia:Citing sources for how to cite sources, and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. McGeddon (talk) 10:38, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi thanks. See my contribution on the talk page there. -- Honorsteem (talk) 11:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Not sure I understand your argument; sure, eugenics is a bad thing and it is churlish to dismiss debate of it as "reductio ad Hitlerum". All I'm drawing your attention to is the need for clarity and sourcing - a Wikipedia article shouldn't say "there has been criticism, concern and trouble regarding this subject, but we're not going to tell you where", it should say "person X has criticised it, group Y is concerned about it, and newspaper Z regarded it as 'troubling'". WP:WEASEL has a bit more about this. It's our duty to the reader to tell them where a reaction is coming from, and if it's seeming to come from nowhere (either because it's the opinion of the editor writing the sentence, or because it's "common sense"), we need to take a look through some newspapers and find someone who's actually said it. Does this sound reasonable? --McGeddon (talk) 11:43, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Although I'd add that the article doesn't really need a "criticism" section - reductio ad Hitlerum is clearly presented as a "fallacy" throughout, rather than a useful and ironclad argumentative tool. --McGeddon (talk) 11:50, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

I was more referring to the using of the term. If someone says "X is like the nazi's" - where X is a valid point, and then the opponent else says, "Hah! RaH!" - then the discussion is terminated. -- 11:55, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Sure, people can incorrectly mistake a reasonable argument for a reductio ad Hitlerum (just as a stupid person can misidentify any argument to be any fallacy in the book), but as I say, you'll need to provide a source that's considered this particular instance remarkable, if it's going to be written about in an encyclopedia. --McGeddon (talk) 12:01, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

February 2012

Discussion moved to Talk:Daniel Pipes#Moved conversation -- Honorsteem (talk) 09:13, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hello, Honorsteem. You have new messages at Jayjg's talk page.
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• Honorsteem, I added a comment to the ANI thread that I hope you will find of interest. Groeten, Drmies (talk) 16:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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I indefinitely blocked you for the disruptive editing and hounding issues. The clean start problems only add fuel to the fire. If you would like to appeal this block please place {{Unblock|Your Reason for being unblocked}} on your talk page. --Guerillero | My Talk 05:17, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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As for "One to the pillars of clean starts is that an editor leaves the areas that he was once editing in.": I've never issued the Jewish-topics before with my old account (as far as Im aware of). Nobody asked me for my old account details, though, so Im surprised by your conclusion?
Regarding the hounding accusation, it was dealt with at Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance#Jayjg_accusing_me_of_wikihounding.
As for formal reasoning, I have not been notified there was a case against me at AN/I. The topic with moving the thread was resolved as it turned out I had all right to do so.
To me this seems like dirty case where Jayjg can't get his way the first time (deleting his moved comments), and gets back this way, comfortably shutting me down at List of Jewish Nobel laureates. If this is tolerated, I indeed have no business on Wikipedia. -- Honorsteem (talk) 10:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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{{unblock reviewed |1=As for "One to the pillars of clean starts is that an editor leaves the areas that he was once editing in.": I've never issued the Jewish-topics before with my old account (as far as Im aware of). Nobody asked me for my old account details, though, so Im surprised by your conclusion?<br>Regarding the hounding accusation, it was dealt with at [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance#Jayjg_accusing_me_of_wikihounding]].<br>As for formal reasoning, I have not been notified there was a case against me at AN/I. The topic with moving the thread was resolved as it turned out I had all right to do so.<br>To me this seems like dirty case where Jayjg can't get his way the first time (deleting his moved comments), and gets back this way, comfortably shutting me down at [[List of Jewish Nobel laureates]]. If this is tolerated, I indeed have no business on Wikipedia. -- [[User:Honorsteem|Honorsteem]] ([[User talk:Honorsteem#top|talk]]) 10:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC) |decline = {{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

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{{unblock reviewed |1=As for "One to the pillars of clean starts is that an editor leaves the areas that he was once editing in.": I've never issued the Jewish-topics before with my old account (as far as Im aware of). Nobody asked me for my old account details, though, so Im surprised by your conclusion?<br>Regarding the hounding accusation, it was dealt with at [[Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance#Jayjg_accusing_me_of_wikihounding]].<br>As for formal reasoning, I have not been notified there was a case against me at AN/I. The topic with moving the thread was resolved as it turned out I had all right to do so.<br>To me this seems like dirty case where Jayjg can't get his way the first time (deleting his moved comments), and gets back this way, comfortably shutting me down at [[List of Jewish Nobel laureates]]. If this is tolerated, I indeed have no business on Wikipedia. -- [[User:Honorsteem|Honorsteem]] ([[User talk:Honorsteem#top|talk]]) 10:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC) |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}