User talk:Mangojuice

re: your rv of leotardo's removals off his talk page.

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Welcome to my talk page! Please leave your message; I'll write back to you on this page, unless you request otherwise. Thanks!! Mangojuice 19:03, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Province

I'll do some research on the province, should be able to get something. Btw, I'm not 100% sure that the island is part of the province. It may still be Portuguese territory but both flags fly there. I'll update the texts when references are found. JMK 15:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Unregistered user

I was directed to discussions about an unregistered user, User talk:198.54.202.226. It does not refer to me. Someone shares my number. JMK 13:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Notability

Iwasintersted to note your comments.Recently anarticle about a member of American Academy of Arts and Sciences was deleted.The unfortunate fact was that he shared his name with someone of unsavoury antecedants and most votes werecastwhen this confusionwas not cleared up.When it was,theones who had voted did not change their votes(probably being unaware) and one felt that membersip was not indicative of notability although since then I have browsed and come to adifferent conclusion. VR 1st March,2006

City of Vaughan

• I agree 100%, the problem is, Vaughan wikipedians are notoriously political, they'll start a revert war... if you want to take the lead on it, i'll back you up completely, i have a bit of a conflict of interest though (my dad is Alan Shefman) so i can't start the process. pm_shef 22:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I hope that pm_shef's violation will also be documented. 70.29.239.249 05:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the help with this issue, I was kind of lost with where to go next. Also I wasn't aware that the 3RR rule applied to reverting the vandalism, but after reading the policy page, i see you're right. I apologize for that, I wasn't aware, I'll make sure not to do it again. pm_shef 05:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Radio station stubs

Thanks, I am working on filling out the template for Template:DFW FM currently, just creating stubs for now, then I'm going to go back and fill them out in full. Cheez0r 21:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)cheez0r

Shefman Article

it has been determined that this article (as all of them) will be redirected, before accusing me of any wrong doing please check before hand what the mutual result was.--Eyeonvaughan 12:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

thank you!

Thank you for telling me that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Llamadog903 (talk • contribs) Thanks again!!Llamadog903 01:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

Thanks for your support in my RFA. The final vote count was (66/2/3), so I am now an administrator. Please let me know if at any stage you need help, or if you have comments on how I am doing as an admin. Have a nice day! Stifle 17:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Cryptography

Since your last copyedit and trimming of the Cryptography article, it seems to have disappeared altogether. It was a pretty good article. Is there any way of bringing it back? logologist|Talk 16:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I see it's back now. logologist|Talk 16:28, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Ciphers

Hey, I looked at that wikiproject thing and it was interesting. If you look, I put my username on the list. Thanks

The Editor1

19:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:template:not done

Thanks! Afterwards, I thought about that to, and wanted to delet it, but dident know how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The editor1 (talk • contribs)

Just a reminder

Remember to put "Prod" on the edit history of a page if you are going to put up a prod tag.--Jersey Devil 21:14, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

BooshTukka

Regarding the article BooshTukka, which you tagged for speedy deletion with the reason "{{db-bio}}", I wanted you to know that I have removed the speedy deletion tag. This article does not qualify for speedy deletion because he has reached the number one spot on several occasions. If you still want the article to be deleted, please use the WP:AFD process. Thanks! Stifle 14:59, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that it wasn't the number one spot on any chart, it was the "number one spot" on getoutthere.com, a radio webcast with an Alexa rank over 3 million, so I don't think that's a notability claim. But I'm not going to push. If this doesn't change your mind, let me know and I'll prod it later. Mangojuice 15:18, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

It's a claim of notability that's required to stop an A7 speedy - it's intentionally narrow. I've gone off CSD patrol now and I'm over at CP, so if you re-speedy tag it some other admin will probably dump it, and what I don't know won't hurt me, eh? Stifle 15:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability (academics)

Hi -- I and several other editors have been working on developing a consensus at Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion of biographies/Academics, to ultimately become an official guideline... unfortunately, I'm not clear on what needs to be done in order to get the community to approve it as a guideline: what burden do we have to meet before this can become an official guideline? I've advertised the effort and invited involvement at the Village Pump... and I don't think the guideline is totally ready yet, I just would like to know what the progression is. Mangojuice 17:37, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Once consensus is reached, just change {{proposed}} to {{guideline}} (in this case, {{Wikipedia subcat guideline}}). If anybody disputes this, then in general you don't have consensus; there's no clear line indicating consensus has been reached. I've advertised it a little more to accelerate consensus-building. It'll probably take some iterations applying this proposed guideline to AFD discussions to know that it "works" and people agree on the guideline. I found Wikipedia:How to create policy helpful. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-03-22 21:04Z

Re : Nubient

All done, apologies for the oversight. - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 22:21, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Template debugging

Thanks for your debugging of Template:Ifdef(edit talk links history) in conjunction with Wikipedia header Template:Proposed(edit talk links history). The ifdef oddity beats me at the moment, simple cases are okay, but used within templates creating Wiki tables ifdef fails. For starters I've reverted it to the version with an empty default (you tested that also).

I've also reverted about a dozen templates in Category:Wikipedia header templates(edit talk links history) at least until I understand the ifdef problem. Back to proposed, after some iterations you found a working solution, should we use it also for the other header templates to get a consistent look? ( I've not yet understood your booleq trick... ;-) ) I like the smaller shortcut better, but maybe it's possible to add this to your solution. Omniplex 18:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Just so you know

My comment to User:RelianKru about blocking him for wearing the wrong color clothes? That's a reference to the somewhat obscure SF novel "The Luck of Relian Kru", in which the luckless protagonist is sentenced to death for just that offence. DS 20:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Cyberkwoon

Thank you MangoJuice for your message. I will get in touch with you shortly about the Cyberkwoon article. I skipped over the links you send me and while I am enthusiastic about Cyberkwoon and it might not fully adhere to the Notability rules (though I will have to look at them in more detail), I certainly do not feel that it breaks the Vanity rules.

As a matter of fact, I was looking to write about another MA forum, emptyFlower because I feel that sometimes interesting ideas arise out of all the discussion on this kind of media. While it might not be traditional media, such as book, magazine or movie, online discussions about martial arts is certainly an engine for change in that community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TeoDut (talk • contribs)

Straw pong

Just to let you know, the prod you placed on Straw pong was contested so I've taken it to afd. --TheKoG (talk|contribs) 21:08, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Got It

Ok, thanks fot the advice, I'll watch what I say next time. --GorillazFanAdam 22:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Mirzone

Thank you for your nice welcome. Like requested I updated the information about Mirzone, please tell me if this match the rules of Wikipedia.

--RelianKru 08:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Cyberkwoon

Hi MangoJuice!

[As a former MA-ist myself, I personally don't find forums on it very useful: basically, you have no idea whether people have an actual rank, and cross-system differences make people have different perspectives. But that's just me. Anyway, if you put the info on your user page I doubt anyone would bother you about them. Mangojuice 21:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)]

I have to disagree with the lack of usefulness of MA forums. For example, Bullshido.net who have their own Wikipedia entry, is quite outstanding. The strength of Cyberkwoon lies partly in the discussion forum, partly in it's article section. A few of the articles published in Cyberkwoon are to be published in other media or have been already published (I contacted an author to verify this claim as I type, but I am fairly sure that a few of his articles have been published in the British media).

Also, Internet MA forums have been used in research by scholars. While I am not sure that Cyberkwoon is specifically mentioned (I can verify tonight when I get home), there was at least an article published in The Journal of Asian Martial Arts (about which I would also like to write an article) that was based partly on data harvested from Internet forums.

Another strength of Internet forums lies in their relatively fast cycle of discussion. Even if often discussions are heated, it is not unusual that people are exposed to new or different concepts or views of a subject that affect their own comprehension of the matter. They are also a medium that often facilitates meeting of various people that previously were unknown to each other.

I would also like to point out that Wikipedia has a section dedicated to Internet forums. Cyberkwoon is one of the popular forums among martial artists and it is a non-profit site.

It is true that I am a moderator on Cyberkwoon, my screen name is Sun_Tzu, but I believe that I wrote the article in a neutral manner, at least I tried very hard to do so. I receive no material benefit from doing this. I linked the article to the most pertinent Wikipedia articles, even to Bullshido's article, whose views are not always compatible with those of Cyberkwoon's. I am a member of the emptyFlower forum that I previously mentioned and a subsriber to The Journal of Asian Martial Arts. These three media are not directly related to one another, to the best of my knowledge. If you noticed, I also put my article in a subcategory quite deep in the Martial Arts tree.

The main reason I wrote this article, is that I am familiar with various media concerning MA. My goal is to share useful MA resources with other people. This is the aim of the Cyberkwoon article. I cannot deny that spreading the word about this site, that I appreciate, is a nice secondary side-effect, but I want to say once again that it is not my main goal.

As I mentioned it before, my goal is to write a few articles about MA media I also had some extremely minor contributions before creating my Wiki account. I am looking forward to add anything valuable to Wikipedia as a member, as I did with the "kwoon" term. But, most of subjects I am familiar with have been already covered in much more detail than I can possible write, so I have to settle for an untouched yet niche, such as MA media, or small articles about missed terms or concepts. As a Cyberkwoon moderator, I encourage the owner to create an interface with Wikipedia.

I hope this message that I tried to write as honestly as I could, clarifies my intentions.

Best regards,

Teodor Dutchevici

DaGizza's RfA

Thanks!

Hi Mangojuice, thank you for supporting me in my RfA which passed with a tally of (93/1/2). If you need any help or wish discuss something with me, you are always welcome to talk to me. Gizza^{Chat ©} 11:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Mirzone

Ok, I am understanding that Mirzone doesn't match the rules of Wikipedia and that it must be removed. Sad news for us but like I said it is understandable and just fair. I edited the information about the Legend of Mir 3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Mir_3 and mentioned Mirzone in the article.

Also I want to inform you that the link "German site" redirects to an illegal Mir3 pirate server. Just Gamenetwork has the licence to run Mir2 and Mir3 in Europe. I know that Gamenetwork already started legal steps against this server but you might want to remove this link, too.

--Kru 19:49, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

don't edit PHS

THis is a fun page not meant for editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonsiebob (talk • contribs)

Vaughan hijinks

Thanks...yeah, the whole situation is simply absurd. I never quite know what stupid tactic the Vaughan Watch puppets are going to pull next — they've actually stooped to citing Wikipedia mirrors as sources, which easily makes my own personal "top five most absurd things I've ever seen people do on WP" list. I suspect you're right that an RFC might be the best approach here, but I'm a bit reluctant to take it on myself (in part because they're already making the incorrect assumption that I have a personal bias in the matter...and in part because I'm just so damn tired of the whole thing.) I'll think about it over the next day or two — but even if I decide I'm not willing to take it on, I'd be willing to endorse an RFC if somebody else did. Bearcat 22:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

User Dispute RfC

• Hey, please be aware that I have created a User Dispute RfC regarding User:Eyeonvaughan's behaviour in accordance with Wikipedia's Dispute Resolution Process. It can be found here. pm_shef 04:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

(out of place comments by User:VaughanWatch removed.)

Templates

I really don't understand your message. What am I supposed to do: {NPA} or {{subst:NPA}}? Actually I think I may have used this 1 or 2 times tops. Maybe I am not gonna use it again anyway...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 09:42, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Got it: "BLAH" makes the difference!! (duh!) :-) I don't know anything about you, haven't even had time to check your userpage. Care to drop an eye on these arguements for this poll??  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 12:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Karate kata

I outlined my argument here: Talk:Shotokan#Kata instruction. It met with approval. Wikipedia isn't manual of how to do kata. It isn't a dictionary or a glossary, let alone of foreign languages. Shotokan was very list-heavy with probably unwiki content. In the katas, I omitted a lot because a lot of it seemed POV, poorly written, or of dubious verifiability. I saw a lot of what seemed to be original research. I was also concerned with article size. I believe my edits - while dramatic and easily interpreted as vandalism - were fairly reasonable. If you think they were sloppy, please tell me how that can be remedied. JustSomeKid 12:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

You deleted my page about a very popular podcast

Because you didn't think it belonged on Wikipedia. However, a list of songs by Weird Al Yankovic is appropriate? You have no problem with a page listing the words Bart Simpson writes on a chalkboard in the opening sequence of the Simpsons.

My page at least gave information about a podcast that thousands of people listen to. It also gave insight into how a podcast is produced.

As of right now, every page you submit I am going to nominate for deletion because I don't think YOU are appropriate for Wikipedia.

WikiNazi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kentcallison (talk • contribs)

I see you've already made your WP:POINT here [1] although you didn't do the afd nomination correctly. Mangojuice 14:52, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Poche1

As per your request, I won't get involved anymore, but you'll notice that Poche1 is still removing comments from his talk page and removing the Suspected Sockpuppet tag from his userpage. pm_shef 19:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Socks

Just a heads up that I submitted a checkuser request for some suspected sockpuppets involved the Vaughan stuff: Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser#Leotardo_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 20:32, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk Page Archiving

• So, my talk page is ginormous and I've been wanting to archive it for a while, but figured with the ongoing RfC, I should probably wait... What do you think (since you seem to know these things better)? Can I just go for it, or should I hang on? And btw, how long do RfC's usually last? Thanks -- pm_shef 17:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

IHHOF Board of Directors

I plan to write articles on all the directors, including a rewrite of Frankl's which the previous article on him was vandalised and deleted based on the false claim from one politically motiviated user that he didn't serve on the board. The Frankl article that was put up for deletion should now be restored as the politically motivaed claim by one user has now been proven to be false. Most of the deletes were based on the false info. that he didn't serve on the baord of an international organization. --JohnnyCanuck 18:45, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

You are completely missing the point, Frankl is more than notiable for an article, that has already been dermined, the deletion was based on the false info. from one user that that artcle was false which most of the info, INCLUDING the IHHOF baord has been proven to be true--JohnnyCanuck 19:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)