Talk:Corruption

Debauchery

What is wrong with wikipedia?????? I searched for Debauchery and I am at this page? dudes, are u lost? what is wikipedia about nowadays? would someone with sane mind add a page on Debauchery and related materiel on wikipedia, please, thank you. 119.155.17.224 (talk) 14:15, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

abuse?

A respected editor added the "abuse" template. It seemed to me that this was a bit of a stretch for third world countries, at any rate. There, officials that we would term "corrupt" are "just working the system" by their lights. They paid for their office, and continue to pay, and can only "make it work" by ripping off the citizenry.

First world perps may have psychological problems endemic to felons, but somehow the template seems to hint at "treatment" rather than the problem. Student7 (talk) 22:43, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

er in abuse (like crime) the abuser stands to gain in some way, (either gaining financially, power, control etc). Similarly crime is often motivated as a way to alleviate poverty and gain wealth illegally by robbing etc. Also because there is a cultural norm of abuse whereby people abuse because it is expected of them - it is still abuse. Corruption is clearly abuse of the system in some way for the abusers benefit.--Penbat (talk) 09:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

So this means that all felonies/anti-social behaviors get the "abuse" template? I can appreciate that we have thought that criminals could be reformed since the 19th century or so. This has proved somewhat elusive, however, no matter what "treatment" has been used. Maybe they are just "bad to the bone." Can we add the template for "original sin?" I think the latter may be closer to reality. Student7 (talk) 00:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Pretty much any bad deed where somebody or something suffers (whatever the motive) is an abuse but what is and isnt a crime is culturally determined. Whether or not the abuser gets treatment is irrelevant. --Penbat (talk) 17:29, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

"Governmental corruption of judiciary" is a strange definition. Corrupt judges take money from anyone - NIOT typcially from the executive. Judicial corruption has nothing todo with the budget being controlled by the executive - which is the case everywhere, and does not "undermines the separation of powers, as it creates a critical financial dependence of the judiciary". No judiciary controls its own budget, in any country.

Probably couldn't happen today in first world countries, but in the 19th century, congress (or a president) simply dissolved a federal court of appeals "out west" that it didn't like! Other surrounding courts had their boundaries redefined to "absorb" the workload!

The second Roosevelt tried to "pack" a supreme court he didn't like. It failed but they got the message!

I remember in the 1970s, the US federal court(s?) raised it's own salaries to agree with the cost of living. Not sure if this stood the test of time or not. Student7 (talk) 17:46, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Future of corruption articles

Most of the "corrupt activities" seems now more like a "see also" subsection. "Abuse of the system" or "gaming the system" also is a bit "see also" subsection (with a link back to this page!). Just curious if one of you has some idea of a general thrust of these articles? Will they all be so similar, that they will require merging later?

My thought is that some stuff might be better off, if short and similarly named, in some sort of dab page. I'm just hoping you have an outline in mind. Student7 (talk) 20:35, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

There is no definitive list of what is and isnt corruption but these are generally considered to be types of corruption: Category:Corruption--Penbat (talk) 17:25, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Information merged from the article Systemic corruption

The following information below within this section is from the talk page for the "Systemic corruption" article, which closed at its AfD discussion as Merge to this article. The comments within this section are from the article and specifically about the topic of "Systemic corruption". Northamerica1000^(talk) 02:06, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

john perkins

I added a lnk to "the confessions of an economic hitman". very interesting ..confession very sharp, and surprising if you are new to these geopolitical issues.

"This isn't a conspiracy theory type of thing, these people don't have to get together and ... is that they must maximize profits, regardless of the social and environmental cost"

Um...what?

This is the sketchiest Wikipedia article I've seen in a long time. If I knew anything about Wikipedia I would clean this up. Someone needs to edit this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.85.195.243 (talk) 01:24, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Not sure it's possible. some users keep destroying whole sections of this article, others keep trying to erase it. I guess that naming examples of any kind hurt the national/group pride of some users. it's hard for it to grow or improve in these conditions.--Namaste@^? 17:09, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Merge from "Systemic corruption" article complete

All information from the Systemic corruption article has been merged to this article, including its talk page contents (see above). Northamerica1000^(talk) 02:11, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Corruption in Norway

Links for a section about Corruption in Norway:

2012-03-06: Resigned from office: MP Audun Lysbakken gave Norwegian kroner 13.5 million to a foundation that he previously has led. A professor at BI, Petter Gottschalk, says that the transfer of money is borderline corruption.--Hamburgerstand (talk) 23:04, 6 March 2012 (UTC)