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FeloniousMonk 06:55, 26 December 2005 (UTC) We award a Barnstar and the Barnstar of diligence to FeloniousMonk for his great work on Intelligent design related articles. We recognise his seemingly inexhaustive efforts[1] in keeping the articles free from vandalism[2][3] and overzealousness[4] and applaud his efforts to provide detailed sources.[5] As anything worth doing can be difficult, FeloniousMonk if you need further help you can count on us to assist you. – RoyBoy, KillerChihuahua, Parallel or Together?, Ec5618, dave souza, Dunc, Bill Jefferys, Guettarda, Jim62sch, WAS 4.250, Plumbago, Samsara References: ^ Irreducible and Specific Complexity (ISC) ^ Scientific peer review ^ Intelligent Design in summary ^ Argument from ignorance ^ Notes and references Category: Overdue Barnstars

Enforced silence

This is the second time you have been involved in enforcing silence in an effort to keep the Undue weight section vague. Just to prove you are out-of-line I am willing to let the matter rest until yet another user requests the section be clarified. Bensaccount 19:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Which I'm sure is being arranged as we speak... FeloniousMonk 21:43, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in. I've let temptation to continue a pointless argument get the best of me more than I like lately. — Saxifrage ✎ 21:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

re: Dembski

felonious, you continue to intimidate, insult or ignore those who do not agree with you and don't follow your agenda in the pages you watch. I will not step back from my complaints about this article. The article is extremely POV, and the "response" section is filled with selected quotes and blatant generalizations. I will take this all the way to arbitration, if necessary, and I suggest you compromise. Trilemma 15:43, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

IMO, threatening people is far more likely to be interpreted as "intimidation" than is and edit summary which says "occasionally aggressive is not a reasonable subsitute for being polemical" (with regards to an attempt to subsitute the word "polemic" with "has on occasion been aggressive". Or, in other words: pot, to kettle "black". Guettarda 16:12, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

With your POV campaigning backed with threats like this spammed across numerous user talk pages, you're likely to end up in arbitration sooner than you expect. FeloniousMonk 17:31, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

It also doesn't speak well of your willingness to discuss and/or compromise if as soon as there is an edit dispute you start saying that you are willing to take the matter to arbitration and therefore we should compromise with you. That amounts to saying something like "You should know that I'm really stubborn. You might as well give in now and save yourselves the trouble." This is not a productive attitude. JoshuaZ 17:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I never suggested that I would subvert the normal editing process; I only meant to elucidate my conviction of the extreme NPOV violations of the article and that I will follow through with every option, in the proper order, to rectify the situation. Any other interpretation of my statements is a misunderstanding. Trilemma 00:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Howard Kaloogian

Hi there. You protected this about 10 days ago. Since WP:SEMI is for dealing with serious, current vandals, I figure it's been more than long enough to unprotect it now. Can I ask you to check your other recent protections and lift them as necessary, also to remember protections in general? CAT:SEMI is nearly 100 items, most of them seem to have been forgotten by the protecting admin. Thanks. -Splash^talk 21:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Your wrong assertions that defy consensus

You need to stop reverting this entry [1]. We have been discussing this issue on the talk page and your viewpoint is false and does not have the consensus. In fact, your viewpoint has been blown out of the water because you haven't been able to prove that OCCM has ever claimed to be an accreditor. So, stop posting your opinions, start heeding to the facts, and submit to the consensus or else you're going to look more and more like a vandal. --JohnDoe5 22:59, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Referring to ND test

Actually, I believe the truly "fair" name by the way you're using the term would be the "Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal and Commission for Scientific Medicine and Mental Health test". In any case, the section referring to the test is titled "Discovery Channel Appearance". In the interest of making the reference accessible to the mediators, and in the interest of brevity, I chose "Discovery Channel-aired test". - Keith D. Tyler ¶ (AMA) 00:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Since you've taken it upon yourself to contribute to the RFM, I'm presuming you want to be involved as a party as well? - Keith D. Tyler ¶ (AMA) 23:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominionist political parties

Felonious, I think on reflection that there is a fundamental problem with that article, which Rob and JJay have identified. Whether or not the term is valid, or validly applied to these particular parties, I think on balance the best solution is to go with the category, not the list; editors on the individual articles can debate the category on an individual basis. If there are no reputable sources ascribing the label to individual parties, then we should not either. If there are, the category can be included in the articles. The template is fine by me. Just zis Guy you know? 21:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I disgree. See my recent comment on the AFD page. Also, there's no shortage of credible sources per WP:V that are available as supporting cites that connect Dominionism to various political parties and movements, starting with National Review, Harpers, PBS: [2] [3] [4] [5]. That some are more interested in deleting the article for personal reasons than in fixing it is no reason to delete it. FeloniousMonk 21:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from personal attacks.

You cast aspersions on my motives in your edit summaries. You should assume good faith instead of engaging in personal attacks. BTW, you appear to be engaging in original research, by extending dominionism to any Christain religious organization that takes a position on social issues. If you aren't careful, dominionism will just end up as name calling and become as watered down and meaningless as fascism.--Silverback 06:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea what personal attacks you're yammering about. The fact is that all of the following groups are all identified as connected to the dominionism movement by both Soldiers of Christ II published May 2005 in Harpers By Chris Hedges and The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party at TheocracyWatch.org, as well as other sources: Christian Coalition, Eagle Forum, Family Research Council, Focus on the Family, Free Congress Foundation, National Religious Broadcasters, Southern Baptist Convention. Noting what significant and credible observers of the intersecting of politics and religion say about these groups is hardly "meaningless" or "fascism" and necessary for a complete article that covers all notable viewpoints on its topic. FeloniousMonk 15:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I am referring to these two personal attacks here in your edit summaries:

10:56, April 15, 2006 (hist) (diff) Political Research Associates (m intentionally misplaced dominionism cat. see: WP:POINT Silverback)

10:55, April 15, 2006 (hist) (diff) Political Research Associates (rm intentionally misplaced dominionism template. see: WP:POINT Silverback)

You are attacking me instead of assuming good faith.--Silverback 05:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Dominionism movement

Hello FM : ) Maybe these organizations belong in this category. Maybe not. Is Chris Hedges regarded as an unbiased author? I think the Harpers article is a pretty weak source for this type of categorization. Is there something more academic? Doing this type of categorization contemporary to the situation is problematic. To overcome this, the views from all sides of the political spectrum need to be considered. Who else has written on this topic? Is this categorization supported by moderate conservative-leaning thinkers? What has George Will written? Do the groups themselves classify this way? Pat Buchanan is open and honest about these issues. What does he say? You may be correct. Could you point me to better sources to back it up. FloNight ^talk 16:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Harper's Magazine is a moderate, widely respected, responsible and critical publication.

Cornell University's Center for Religion, Ethics and Social Policy is an unimpeachable academic source, and they say the same thing as Hedges did in Harper's and then some: [6], [7]. You may want to also read Frederick Carlson's "Eternal Hostility: the Struggle between Theocracy and Democracy."

Additionally, these issues are even being addressed in the mainstream conservative press due to the rift between moderate conservatives and dominionists: The Washington Times Left aims to smite 'theocracy' movement Christian Science Monitor For evangelicals, a bid to 'reclaim America'

Other fair articles on the topic include: WSWS: New York Times columnist David Brooks proposes the 'good crusade', Liberty magazine, and give a listen to Recent NPR coverage of Christian Dominionism FeloniousMonk 18:03, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Also see religioustolerance.org's coverage of the topic. FeloniousMonk 18:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

All of the above sources are good with the slightly exception of the last one. Religioustolerance.org has a strong leftwards slant and seems to do little fact-checking. JoshuaZ 18:27, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Felonious, you keep posting a link to a theocracywatch site to support some text about cornell university. I can see anything about cornell university on that page. You also use it to support the claim that certain organizations are "dominionist", but the text on that page doesn't support that either? If just references scorecards by certain organizations. Perhaps those who track domininism find these scorecards serve their purpose in tracking dominionism, but nothing indicates that these organizations are themselves dominionist. Am I missing something on this page? Can you point me to the specifics on the page that support the specifics in your proposed text?--Silverback 05:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Silverback, I was unconvinced by the Harpers article and asked FM for more sources. FM has provided a variety of reliable sources. I listen to the PBS interview and have skimmed most of the sources. As editors, we are responsible for developing an article that presents all valid pov. I still have a few questions but all in all this seems vaild to me. The category reflects the content of the articles and is reasonable. FloNight ^talk 05:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

What you are saying seems very non-specific. Who exactly were the sources and what exactly did they say? The sources I saw did not say that these various organizations were dominionist organizations, rather they seemed to be citing the congressional scorecards that these organizations kept, presumably considering them good sources. If there were other sources that you deemed authoritative, then they should be making signed statements with footnotes and references and not just appearing for interviews. Even then, the sources should be more than just opinion pieces. After all, the work of MacDonald published in the Occidental Quarterly, a journal of opinion, is well written and well referenced, but we should still be able to reject it for the selective analysis of facts that it is. I argue against it here[8]. So far these soruces appear even less authoritative than this jewish conspiracy theory stuff.--Silverback 20:53, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, did it ever occur to you to look beyond the page, like clicking the "About us" link? [9] FeloniousMonk 16:50, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, I did "home" and "contact us" and neither mentioned Cornel, and the pages were not signed with authors taking responsibility for their content, so it did not look like something an academic institution would do. I guess not all academic work is created equal.--Silverback 19:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CreationWiki

As a contributor to the page CreationWiki, I feel it fair to warn you that it has been nominated for deletion. Please make your opinion known. PrometheusX303 20:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)