Talk:Slash (musician)

Edit 2011-05-01

I just reworked the entire article to make it—hopefully—less of a disaster. In addition to tidying the article's language and adding sourced material that I thought noteworthy, I've made the following changes:

• Lead: Removed "American" per wiki guidelines (see WP:OPENPARA)—he became notable as a British national and didn't obtain American citizenship until years later, plus he seems to identify solely as British.
• Early life: Changed move to LA at age eleven to age five (with primary source)—always read it was age eleven, but age five makes much more sense with regard to his parents' mid-'70s separation. Removed Robert Wolin story as it contradicts the previous paragraph (which is sourced, while the Wolin mention is not)—who inspired Slash to play guitar, the school teacher who played Cream and Led Zep, or Robert Wolin who played Brown Sugar? Is it the same guy?
• Created "Slash's Snakepit" section from material in "Guns N' Roses and mainstream success" section. Separated "Velvet Revolver, solo career, and future" section into "Velvet Revolver" and "Solo career" sections. Created "Other ventures" section including material from "Television appearances" section.
• Removed a large amount of non-notable material from "Side projects and session work" and "Velvet Revolver, solo career, and future" sections, including all concerts that did not end up on a record—wikipedia articles are not intended to be all-encompassing lists of everything the person's ever done.
• Personal life: Removed "Feud" header as it is needlessly inflammatory. Removed "Hard N' Heavy" section as it has nothing to do with his personal life. Removed "Feud with Ryan Murphy" as it is non-notable and smacks of WP:RECENTISM—it barely deserves a one-line mention much less an entire paragraph.
• Moved "Awards and accolades" section from below "Discography" up to below "Personal life".
• Removed "Solo band members" section and added their names to "Solo career"—doesn't require a separate section. Removed "Timeline" image for being hideous and unnecessary—the timeline of his bands is made clear by looking at the "Career" section headers (e.g. "Guns N' Roses (1985–1996)"). Feel free to re-add if you must.
• Added structure to "Signature equipment" section.

Cheers, Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 21:51, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

He is an American musician of British origin or originally from England, he's played Star Spangled Banner at live events. 99.164.0.219 23:33, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Citizenship is the only thing that defines one as American. Hence he is American and your removal is unwarranted. Savagedjeff (talk) 01:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Hampstead vs. Stoke-on-Trent

Stoke-on-Trent is his birth place on the official site and some bios, so why Hampstead?--Shivanarayana (talk) 22:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

It's really isn't. Not only does he say in his book that he was born in Hampstead (sourced in the article), he has stated it during interviews. He later moved to Stoke-on-Trent before moving to Los Angeles. HrZ (talk) 13:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

If you google for "Slash Stoke-on-Trent" you see as first result "I was born on July 23, 1965, in Stoke-on-Trent, England, the town where Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead was born twenty years before me" from the book cited as source. Did it change from the 2007-edition to the 2008 one? It seems a bit strange, isn't it?--Shivanarayana (talk) 19:42, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the 2007 edition of Slash contained several factual errors, including the place of his birth, which were corrected in the 2008 edition. Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 14:22, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Spelling mistake

The first sentence currently reads "Saul Hudson (born July 23, 1965), known by his stage name Slash, is an Americah musician and songwriter". I suspect that "Americah" should say "American".77.99.98.37 (talk) 19:11, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Appearance in other media

Slash was referred to in Season 15 Episode 5 of South Park. He was stated to be a fictional character (like Santa Clause). He played a pretty big role in the episode (by name). 184.166.26.1 (talk) 04:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

This is a biography of a living person, not an article about a fictional character. There are no "other media". If there were, would real life the original "medium"? Or would that be the music? And then it just gets silly. Who wrote Slash? Who created him? Perhaps our conception of "Slash" is the construct that has been fashioned by the artist known as Slash. (That much is at least partially true.) Perhaps there's a good undergraduate essay to be had out of the question "How does Slash construct our notions of Slash?"

No.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 13:41, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Nationality in lead section

Editors regularly change the nationality in the lead section of this article from British to American. For the record, Slash is not, never has been, and likely never will be just American. He was a British citizen for the first 30 years of his life and then became a dual British-American citizen.

Wiki guidelines (see WP:OPENPARA) state that the lead section of a BLP should indicate the person's nationality, or—in cases where the person changed his or her nationality—the person's nationality when they first became notable.

Slash did not acquire American citizenship until 1996, long after his notability was established. Therefore he should be referred to as British in the lead section per wiki guidelines. His dual citizenship is mentioned in the Personal life section of the article.

Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 11:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

His nationality is American. He is by definiton American. When he became a citizen is not relevant. He has also lived most of his live in the US. It should be British-American, like Austrian-American for Arnold. You also pulled "in cases where the person changed his or her nationality" out of nowhere. That is NOT written in the criteria. Stop being deceptive. Savagedjeff (talk) 21:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Slash was born to an American mother and a British father.The article states he is British by virtue of Jus Soli.Jus soli doesn't come into it.He is British by virtue of having a British parent,which is the principle of Jus Sanguinis.Being born to an American mother would also entitle him to automatic American citizenship so I am unsure why he needed to naturalise in 1996,as the article states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.15.30 (talk) 22:18, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Deceptive? My interpretation of the guideline is correct, I deceived no one. Take your unfounded accusations elsewhere.

"His nationality is American. He is by definiton American. When he became a citizen is not relevant."

When he became a citizen IS relevant per the guideline. Slash did not become an American until he acquired citizenship, until then he was a Brit living and working in the US on a green card, and he became notable during that period. Arnold Schwarzenegger is an exception probably because he is active in US politics. Charlize Theron is a better comparison with Slash; she moved to the US at a young age, became notable through her US work, became a US citizen several years later, and yet per WP:OPENPARA she is referred to as South African and not South African-American. Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 08:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I've changed my mind, I will edit the lead section to state British-American. Editors unaware of Slash's history will continue to change British to American, and I have no desire to keep having to change it back, much less debate it. And even though the hyphenation of "British-American" is potentially confusing to readers (British and American or American of British descent?), it's at least better than the factually incorrect "American". Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 09:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Somewhat related to this: In Early Years, his Mother is identified as "African American". Given that she was in Briton at the time of his birth, is this the appropriate label? (99.236.206.14 (talk) 03:32, 28 September 2011 (UTC))

Your nationality doesn't change just because you live in a foreign country. Take for example Slash himself, who lived in the U.S. for 25 years and yet was not American. Cheers, 06:18, 28 September 2011 (UTC).

Slash was born an American by virtue of being born to an American mother.Just as he was born British by being born to a British father.I don't understand why it is said he needed a green card to live in the US. My daughter is in exactly the same situation;she was born and has lived all four of her years in the UK.she has American citizenship through her mother and British citizenship through me.She has both passports and can travel and live freely in both countries so I speak from experience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 7sacraments (talk • contribs) 22:53, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Plague presented by the mayor of West Hollywood

In the section entitled "Awards and accolades" we find the statement: He was the honoree at the 2010 Sunset Strip Music Festival, where he was presented by mayor John Heilman with a plague declaring August 26, 2010 as "Slash Day". This statement of the presentation of a plague is not supported by the cited reference. The cited reference does mention the mayor (although it mentions previous mayor Abbe Land and not the subsequent office holder and award presenter Mayor John Heilman) and the declaration of "Slash Day" being August 26, 2010. Regardless of who held the office of mayor at the time I suspect that the mayor presented Slash with a plaque not a plague. Plagues are much harder to write on than plaques are and make much for gifts that are usually not appreciated as gifts by their recipients. 164.55.254.106 (talk) 21:36, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I take it this is your long-winded way of pointing out a typo? (Although it is a funny one.) Cheers, Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 08:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC).

South Park reference

Also, Slash was prominently referenced on a recent episode of South Park. As a Santa Claus type figure -- disillusioned kids find out he isn't real, etc. But then a "Yes, Virginia" type twist at the end. Might be worthwhile mentioning that here. --Christofurio (talk) 17:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree 80.132.71.83 (talk) 12:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Uh... We're talking about a famous musician, with a career spanning decades. How the frig is a brief reference in a cartoon even remotely 'notable' in terms of his biography? So notable, in fact, that it requires its own section? Undue weight much? 216.254.156.13 (talk) 05:31, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm removing the section per WP:POPCULTURE (not policy, but certainly useful here), which says: "When trying to decide if a pop culture reference is appropriate to an article, ask yourself the following: 1) Has the subject acknowledged the existence of the reference? 2) Have reliable sources that don't generally cover the subject pointed out the reference? 3) Did any real-world event occur because of the reference? If you can't answer "yes" to at least one of these, you're just adding trivia. Get all three and you're possibly adding valuable content." None of the above can be answered affirmatively. Slash posted "I'm not real? :(" on his Facebook, which is too indirect to be considered a true acknowledgment. It's gone. Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 19:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Sigh, i'm guessing you kids haven't had the talk with your parents yet?

Band members

Is this section strictly necessary? Slash is not a band, he is a solo artist, and articles on solo artists do not customarily include a list of the artist's backing band members. Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 12:06, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Alice Cooper, Rob Zombie, Billy Idol and Ozzy Osbourne have similar sections. However, because many articles for solo artists differ in content, can hardly use them as arguements for inclusion/removal. I don't believe that including a band members section implies that Slash is a band. Though it's not necessary, I think it should be included. They have recorded and released live albums with Slash and plan to record a second studio album (wither as under Slash's name or a different name remains to be seen) while the lineup itself is notable. HrZ (talk) 13:48, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

C'mon, the lineup itself is not in any way notable; half of the "members" listed played with him only in 2009. I still see no reason why they should be mentioned on Slash's personal page separate from the section on his solo career, but whatever, I won't remove the section. Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Not in anyway notable? All the band members have been members of notable groups. The 2009 "members" shouldn't really be there though; they were just there for the recording of the album, I have yet to see anything that states they were members of his solo band. HrZ (talk) 09:47, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

The individual musicians may be notable (barely), but that doesn't mean the lineup is. It ain't the E Street Band. Dunno, maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Anyway, you say half the musicians that are listed shouldn't be, so they should be deleted. That leaves the four main members, who are already mentioned prominently in the "Solo career" section (I know because I added them there). Ergo, there is no use in keeping the "Band members" section. It's just another pointless list that takes up space in the article. I still vote delete. Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 13:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Since no one else has objected (including the editor who added it), it's gone. Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 19:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Reverted removal. I'm pretty sure this isn't the way to sort things out. You wanted it removed, I disagreed so...you remove it? Simply because no one else joined in? What's the rush sir? As for your previous comments, it goes without saying that the lineup is hardly the E Street Band band, but we are not disputing wither or not they are notable enough to warrant their own article. Saying that, an article could be created because it passes WP:BAND; "Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles." However, an article would be going to far. Being mentioned prominently in the article is also no reason to removal as it is common place to do so; "Embedded lists are lists of links, data or information that are either included in the text of an article or appended to the end of an article." - WP:EMBED. As for "takes up space in the article" - it's not as if we have limited space to work with. I believe the list should be included because the lineup features independant notable musicians who have have releases with Slash.

If we can't agree, then we can seek a third opinion on the matter, but in future, do not remove content based on lack of other editors involvment. Thanks! HrZ (talk) 12:27, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I removed it because the line of discussion had already moved beyond your initial disagreement (if you recall, you admitted that the 2009 members—aka half the musicians listed—"shouldn't be there") and yet you chose to abandon the conversation, which is fine by me, but after waiting a week I saw no reason to keep this information. "He who remains silent, consents" has worked just fine for me on Wikipedia thus far and will continue to do so. "Thanks!" Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 13:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Please don't just assume I abandoned the conversation. I never seen that there was a reply here and didn't check until I noticed your edit summary in the article. "He who remains silent, consents" doesn't apply here, you knew of my disagreement in the first place, so I was hardly silent, and you decided that I wasn't taking part any further without checking first (and despite previously stating "whatever, I won't remove the section"). You could have easily messaged me on my talk page asking if I'm continuing with the discussion or if I have withdrawn my disagreement following your reply. Doesn't matter if you waited a week, there's no rush or deadline, the section isn't disrupting the article so I don't see why you couldn't wait. Also see WP:SILENT; "Consensus can be presumed to exist until voiced disagreement becomes evident (typically through reverting or editing). You find out whether your edit has consensus when it sticks, is built upon by others, and most importantly when it is used or referred to by others."

And yes, I did say that the 2009 "members" should be removed, what is your point? I still think they should be removed because they were not members of his solo band, they were recording musicians. But I still think the section should be kept; Four current members + one former, all notable musicians that have releases with Slash. I should point out that you removed it from the article in the first place without discussion, though you listed in your edits above stating "Feel free to re-add if you must." HrZ (talk) 10:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

In that case I apologize, it was presumptuous of me to think you left the conversation without checking with you. I just assumed you had this page watchlisted like me because you seem to have an interest in GNR-related articles.

My point was that the scope of what we were discussing had changed. I suggested removing the section, you disagreed—fine. (Hence why I said, "I won't remove the section"). But then you suggested removing the 2009 members, and since the four remaining members are already mentioned prominently within the solo section, I felt it was even more unnecessary to have them in a separate list because it just duplicates information. But you disagreed on that, too, in your last reply, so there is really no point in discussing this further. Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 21:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request ( Talk:Slash (musician)#Band members. Disagreement about the inclusion of a band members section in the article. 10:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC) ):

Please first see WP:NLIST. Given that there is a disagreement as to whether WP:BAND is applicable to the members of each of the members of the musical group, may I suggest that the involved editors see if the band members pass WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. If they do not, then they are not notable, and thus shouldn't be included, list or their own article. If they do, then the list should be included, and individual articles be created. That being said, such list as being discussed above should remain in articles regarding the band themselves. If there is a section which is the primary "article" (possibly due to merger) of said band, a sub-section list of band members would be appropriate.—RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

"f there is a section which is the primary "article" ... a sub-section list of band members would be appropriate." So the list should be added to the "Solo career" section rather than the end of the article? I could definitely get behind that, especially if the names were presented in a drop-down box. Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 21:47, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree, moving it as a sub-section under solo career would solve the issue, would have no issue with a drop-down box either. HrZ (talk) 13:18, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

iTunes Session EP

Slash and Myles Kennedy recorded a 6-song EP for iTunes (iTunes Session) in 2010. How come no one has picked up on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David7581 (talk • contribs) 03:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

One-string guitar?

What is a one-string flamenco guitar? In the "early life" section - "...Equipped with a one-string flamenco guitar given to him by his grandmother, he began taking classes with Robert Wolin..." TheDarkOneLives (talk) 14:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

A flamenco guitar with one string. Sometimes a cigar... Cheers, Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 18:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC).

Edit request on 28 March 2012

The picture of slash is inaccurate representation of him. This photo makes him look older than he really is because of the position he is standing. use a different pic Guitarhero249 (talk) 02:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: this request template should be accompanied by specifically what you want taken out and what you want put in. If you don't have the replacement image handy, there's not much we can do. — Bility (talk) 21:20, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 April 2012

Part of the page states...

On stage, Slash prefers Marshall amplifiers, particularly the Marshall "Silver Jubilee" JCM 2555 amp. He used a rented early-1970s Marshall 1959 for the recording of Appetite for Destruction.[74] Slash liked the amp so much that he tried to keep it, telling the store that it had been stolen, but it was returned accidentally by a roadie.[74]

I followed the source and it doesnt say that it was returned by a roadie, but states "On stage, Slash prefers Marshall amplifiers, particularly the Marshall "Silver Jubilee" JCM 2555 amp. He used a rented early-1970s Marshall 1959 for the recording of Appetite for Destruction.[74] Slash liked the amp so much that he tried to keep it, telling the store that it had been stolen, but it was returned accidentally by a roadie.[74] "

Dolejh (talk) 15:13, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I've amended the article, but for future use please keep in mind that when using this template you must specify the exact content you want added to the article. Cheers, Prayer for the wild at heart (talk) 17:31, 7 April 2012 (UTC).

Made in Stoke 24/7/11

Made in Stoke 24/7/11 is the second live album by British-American hard rock guitarist Slash. Featuring American vocalist Myles Kennedy, the album was recorded on Slash's debut solo tour in Stoke-on-Trent, Slash's birthplace. It was released by Armoury Records, a division of Eagle Rock Entertainment, on 14 November 2011 as a live album and DVD. As well as songs from Slash's self-titled debut album, Made in Stoke also includes songs originally performed by the guitarist's previous bands Guns N' Roses, Slash's Snakepit and Velvet Revolver. [edit]Track listing

No. Title Writer(s) Length 1. "Been There Lately" (originally performed by Slash's Snakepit) Slash, Rod Jackson, Ryan Roxie, Johnny Griparic, Matt Laug 4:34 2. "Nightrain" (originally performed by Guns N' Roses) Axl Rose, Izzy Stradlin, Slash, Duff McKagan 5:02 3. "Ghost" Slash, Ian Astbury 3:43 4. "Mean Bone" (originally performed by Slash's Snakepit) Slash, Jackson, Roxie, Griparic, Laug, Jack Douglas 4:01 5. "Back from Cali" Slash, Myles Kennedy 3:36 6. "Rocket Queen" (originally performed by Guns N' Roses) Rose, Slash, McKagan 9:21 7. "Civil War" (originally performed by Guns N' Roses) Rose, Slash, McKagan 8:06 8. "Nothing to Say" Slash, M. Shadows 7:27 9. "Starlight" Slash, Kennedy 5:45 10. "Promise" Slash, Chris Cornell 3:59 11. "Doctor Alibi" Slash, Ian "Lemmy" Kilmister 3:45 12. "Speed Parade" (originally performed by Slash's Snakepit) Slash, Jackson, Roxie, Griparic, Laug 3:58 13. "Watch This" Slash 3:39 14. "Beggars & Hangers-On" (originally performed by Slash's Snakepit) Slash, Eric Dover, McKagan 6:29 15. "Patience" (originally performed by Guns N' Roses) Stradlin, Rose 5:45 16. "Godfather Solo" (theme tune from The Godfather) Nino Rota 7:30 17. "Guitar Solo" Slash 3:00 18. "Sweet Child o' Mine" (originally performed by Guns N' Roses) Rose, Slash, Stradlin 6:28 19. "Slither" (originally performed by Velvet Revolver) Scott Weiland, Slash, McKagan, Matt Sorum, Dave Kushner 7:33 20. "By the Sword" Slash, Andrew Stockdale 4:36 21. "Paradise City" (originally performed by Guns N' Roses) Rose, Stradlin, Slash, McKagan 9:13 Total length: 112:11 [edit]Personnel

Musicians Slash – lead guitar Myles Kennedy – lead vocals, rhythm guitar on "Nothing to Say" and "Watch This" Bobby Schneck – rhythm guitar, backing vocals Todd Kerns – bass, backing vocals, lead vocals on "Doctor Alibi" Brent Fitz – drums Additional personnel Eric Valentine – production, mixing, mastering Matt Friedman – production assistance Ian Dyckhoff – engineering Ian Van Der Molen – mixing assistance Cian Riordan – mixing assistance Stuart Green – art direction, design Nikkie Amouyal – art direction, design Ross Halfin – photographyBold text