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December 2007

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Cora, Wyoming. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Nyttend (talk) 19:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is your band notable? If so, please create an article about it, and then it can be linked from the Cora article in a more appropriate place — where you've put it, in the introduction, is not the right place. If it's not, please stop adding it. Nyttend (talk) 21:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

September 2012

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Brandon Teena, you may be blocked from editing. В и к и T 20:57, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The question about whether to refer to Brandon Teena (or any other transgender individual) as a man or a woman is pretty well established. If you disagree, you should feel free to take up the issue at the talk page, but please don't continue to just change the article to suit your preferences. Thanks. —Tim Pierce (talk) 00:49, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this edit by you is wrong, per MOS:IDENTITY and per the way you are defining pedophilia. Pedophilia is accurately defined as the primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, and there are no laws against pedophilia. Pedophilia is a mental disorder. There are child sexual abuse and statutory rape laws, of course. There are Wikipedia policies and guidelines that we must follow. I suggest you read up on them; they are located at the top of your talk page. As noted above, if you continue to violate MOS:IDENTITY, you will be blocked from editing (temporarily or permanently). Flyer22 (talk) 20:15, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Give me a break. I'm calling a pedophile a pedophile and you're saying there are no laws against it? I would suggest you do the same and make out with a 13-year old girl to test the law but that's revolting and hope that you don't and cannot fathom your defense of this. Yes, child molesters are pedophiles and those who are committing this crime are pedophiles. You're...I just don't have words for someone like you defending pedophiles on MY talk page. GTFO. Eric12 (talk) 23:48, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, I won't give you a break if you can't even be bothered to read the Pedophilia article I pointed you to. Your definition of pedophilia is wrong. Plain and simple. A postpubescent 18-year-old with a pubescent or postpubescent 13-year-old (and, yes, girls can be postpubescent at age 13) is not pedophilia at all, under any expert definition. That is a fact. And, no, there are no laws against pedophilia, which is a mental disorder. Unless you count Kansas v. Hendricks, which is about sexual offense in addition to the mental disorder, no country has any law against the mental disorder; countries have laws against the acts of sexually abusing prepubescent children or engaging in sexual activity with adolescent and/or teenage minors. Pedophilia certainly is not defined as two teenagers having gone on a date and shared a kiss either. Since you seem to define pedophilia by age of consent and age of majority, which is quite ridiculous...since both vary from state to state or country to country and it would mean that a person is a pedophile in one state or country but not in another, you'd probably consider an 18-year-old guy with a 17-year-old girlfriend to be pedophilia as well, which is also quite ridiculous...since there is no drastic mental or physical age difference between the two. Pedophiles are sexually attracted to prepubescent bodies, not to bodies that have quite clearly taken on secondary sex characteristics. And it is most of the experts in these fields stating that pedophiles have a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescents and that pedophilia and child sexual abuse are not the same thing. They state that a person can be a pedophile and child sexual abuser, but a person can be one or the other as well. So take up your problems with the definitions with them. You have child sexual abuse, statutory rape and pedophilia so mixed up that I don't know what else to state to you about that, but to refer you to the Pedophilia article once more; it goes over all of this, with text supported by experts in these fields. I don't defend pedophilia or child sexual abuse; I do what I can to keep such editors, pedophiles and child sexual abusers, off Wikipedia, as many at this site know. I just can't stand misuse of medical terminology, which is what you are doing when you use the term "pedophilia" in the way that you have. You may not have words for someone like me, but I have words for someone like you. Words that I won't be sharing here. Flyer22 (talk) 00:19, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Believe me, if I had any way of knowing who you are I'd report you to the authorities for investigation. Throwing a tantrum over the clinical difference in definition about pedophilia, child abuse, etc as a defense is thoroughly disturbing and a massive red flag for criminal psychologists. Yes, PEDOPHILE. IT IS ILLEGAL TO MAKE SEXUAL CONTACT BETWEEN AN ADULT AND A 13 YEAR OLD IN EVERY ONE OF THE UNITED STATES.

Merriam Webster's, See pedophilia defined for English-language learners [such as Flyer22]: "sexual feelings or activities that involve children" http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/pedophilia

So is a 13-year old an adult or a child? So is an 18-year old an adult or a child? (Please don't cite Michael Jackson's philosophy here.)

You're a sick human being and for the last time keep your pedo filth off MY talk page. Go all NAMBLA on your own page, not mine. GTFO.Eric12 (talk) 16:54, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If Brandon Teena was accused or convicted of pedophilia for kissing a 13-year-old girl, then that fact could be included in the article (with an appropriate citation, of course). If not, then suggesting that it is pedophilia amounts to original research, which is prima facie not appropriate for Wikipedia. —Tim Pierce (talk) 04:56, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I did not introduce the bit about her taking advantage of a 13 year old girl while disguised as an adult man and do agree that such an activity considered reprehensible by the civilized world, but not Flyer22, should definitely be backed up. My contribution is that is flagrantly illegal (even if defended by NAMBLA boy Flyer22) and a major biographical point as the entire article deals with Teena's sexuality. Her sexuality and the violent, bigoted reaction against it is furthermore the entire cause for her fame and the sole reason she has a Wikipedia entry.

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 :Give me a break. I'm calling a pedophile a pedophile and you're saying there are no laws against it? I would suggest you do the same and make out with a 13-year old girl to test the law but that's revolting and hope that you don't and cannot fathom your defense of this. Yes, child molesters are pedophiles and those who are committing this crime are pedophiles. You're...I just don't have words for someone like you defending pedophiles on MY talk page. GTFO. [[User:Eric12|Eric12]] ([[User talk:Eric12#top|talk]]) 23:48, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 ::No, I won't give you a break if you can't even be bothered to read the Pedophilia article I pointed you to. Your definition of pedophilia is wrong. Plain and simple. A postpubescent 18-year-old with a pubescent or postpubescent 13-year-old (and, yes, girls can be postpubescent at age 13) is not pedophilia at all, under any expert definition. That is a fact. And, no, there are no laws against pedophilia, which is a mental disorder. Unless you count [[Kansas v. Hendricks]], which is about sexual offense in addition to the mental disorder, no country has any law against the mental disorder; countries have laws against the acts of sexually abusing prepubescent children or engaging in sexual activity with adolescent and/or teenage [[Minor (law)|minors]]. Pedophilia certainly is not defined as two teenagers having gone on a date and shared a kiss either. Since you seem to define pedophilia by [[age of consent]] and [[age of majority]], which is quite ridiculous...since both vary from state to state or country to country and it would mean that a person is a pedophile in one state or country but not in another, you'd probably consider an 18-year-old guy with a 17-year-old girlfriend to be pedophilia as well, which is also quite ridiculous...since there is no drastic mental or physical age difference between the two. Pedophiles are sexually attracted to prepubescent bodies, not to bodies that have quite clearly taken on [[secondary sex characteristic]]s. And it is most of the experts in these fields stating that pedophiles have a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescents and that pedophilia and child sexual abuse are not the same thing. They state that a person can be a pedophile and child sexual abuser, but a person can be one or the other as well. So take up your problems with the definitions with them. You have child sexual abuse, statutory rape and pedophilia so mixed up that I don't know what else to state to you about that, but to refer you to the Pedophilia article once more; it goes over all of this, with text supported by experts in these fields. I don't defend pedophilia or child sexual abuse; I do what I can to keep such editors, pedophiles and child sexual abusers, off Wikipedia, as many at this site know. I just can't stand misuse of medical terminology, which is what you are doing when you use the term "pedophilia" in the way that you have. You may not have words for someone like me, but I have words for someone like you. Words that I won't be sharing here. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 00:19, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
+:::Believe me, if I had any way of knowing who you are I'd report you to the authorities for investigation. Throwing a tantrum over the clinical difference in definition about pedophilia, child abuse, etc as a defense is thoroughly disturbing and a massive red flag for criminal psychologists. Yes, PEDOPHILE. IT IS ILLEGAL TO MAKE SEXUAL CONTACT BETWEEN AN ADULT AND A 13 YEAR OLD IN EVERY ONE OF THE UNITED STATES.
+:::<b>Merriam Webster's</b>, <i>See pedophilia defined for English-language learners [such as Flyer22]</i>: "sexual feelings or activities that involve children" http://www.learnersdictionary.com/search/pedophilia
+:::So is a 13-year old an adult or a child? So is an 18-year old an adult or a child? (Please don't cite Michael Jackson's philosophy here.)
+:::You're a sick human being and for the last time keep your pedo filth off MY talk page. Go all NAMBLA on your own page, not mine. GTFO.[[User:Eric12|Eric12]] ([[User talk:Eric12#top|talk]]) 16:54, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 If Brandon Teena was accused or convicted of pedophilia for kissing a 13-year-old girl, then that fact could be included in the article (with an appropriate citation, of course). If not, then suggesting that it is pedophilia amounts to [[original research]], which is ''prima facie'' not appropriate for Wikipedia. [[User:Twp|—Tim Pierce]] ([[User talk:Twp|talk]]) 04:56, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
+:For the record, I did not introduce the bit about her taking advantage of a 13 year old girl while disguised as an adult man and do agree that such an activity considered reprehensible by the civilized world, but not Flyer22, should definitely be backed up. My contribution is that is flagrantly illegal (even if defended by NAMBLA boy Flyer22) and a major biographical point as the entire article deals with Teena's sexuality. Her sexuality and the violent, bigoted reaction against it is furthermore the entire cause for her fame and the sole reason she has a Wikipedia entry.