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New Section

Removing project banners

Hello!

Project banners are meant to be there to help maintaining and improving these articles (ie appearing in project watchlist, cleanup listings, to prevent vandalism, to catch editors' eyes if something going on (eg. move request, etc)). WP HU covers stuffs related to Hungary and the Hungarians. Taking Komarno, the city been part of Komarom until 1918 when is was separated from the old town, been the capital of Komarom County, and has a significant number of Hungarian inhabitants (in truth they form the majority), has a (probably the only?) Hungarian language university in Slovakia, etc. In the case of Targu Mures, it's been the center of the local Hungarians for a long time, capital of Marosszek, Maros-Torda County and later the Magyar Autonomous region. It has almost 70,000 Hungarian inhabitants, thus the local "Hungarians forming the largest urban Hungarian community in Romania" (from the article). Taking this, the banners should be right there.

Regards, Thehoboclown (talk) 20:48, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello,

I understand your reasons but I don`t believe that is enough to do this on wikipedia because following general practice, this isn`t being done to any current place (excluding historical events, etc, where WikiProjects are welcomed on the basis of association). Based on the historical events imagine that every place in the World could have this kind of banners, but they don`t. Take into consideration only the Ottoman Empire. Komárno or Târgu Mureș is not a special case ( a cultural center of Hungarian minority, an autonomous province, a federal unit or similar). As I can notice Komárno is the cultural center of the Serbian minority, there is info about the Hungarian minority also but no refs for that. If there are references for this info (cultural center in this case) wikiProject HU is welcome. The demographic reason is not a valid reason for this inclusion.

Ex:

• Dunajská Streda - 79.75% Hungarians. Also Komárno did`t had this banner.
• Miercurea Ciuc - 81.75% Hungarians.
• Senta - 80.51% Hungarians.

This places don`t have wiki projects of other countries because it is not an historical article, it is just an article of a place in that country. There are a handful examples of this practice on Wikipedia and that are special examples, I can`t see that this 2 cities follow that pattern. Also this articles already have a wikiProject of that country to maintain vandalism patrol and to notice problematic editors. Adrian (talk) 21:09, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Since the project is to cover all the things connected to Hungary and Hungarians, all the places where there is a significant Hungarian population belongs to it, regardless where it is to find, including the ones you listed above, and many more. If one does not have the banner it does not mean that it shouldn't. Also I find it someone funny that if there's not a ref of being a cultural center despite having the lone Hungarian language higher education institute in the country, you claim it invalid. Or taking Targu Mures, which was the main city of the Szeklers and a regional center for Hungarians, but since there's not a single line that would fit one of your "special cases" (which I don't know from where comes and why should it be the one and only rule to follow) you declare that the banners are forbidden. No. Banners are totally harmless and are only to have a broader coverage ie Hungarian editors to maintain and contribute to these articles. It won't make the article worse, it won't make the talk page worse, it won't do anything else but help those who are connected with the topic to do a better work.Thehoboclown (talk) 21:31, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Based on this, should we include Turkish banners as well? Or Romanian on Budapest since it was occupied by Romanian army and it was an important point in that war? Do you see where this could lead to? We could add wiki projects into almost every article. For many editors this can be a sensitive subject.

I don`t know if it is funny, but that info doesn`t have any ref therefore it is unreliable.

I am not saying they are forbidden, just that this kind of inclusion could create a whole bunch of problems. I believe that many Hungarian editors would protest if we add WikiProject RO to the city of Budapest?

Flowing the general practice ( if there isn`t a specific rule about something, we usually follow examples from other articles ) and 99% of other articles doesn`t have this kind of banners.

It doesn`t hurt the article but it can create a whole bunch of problems and since there isn`t any special rule that supports this kind of inclusion and on the other hand we have examples how this pages look like, I think that we should really avoid this kind of inclusion. Maybe Târgu Mureș could be a special example ( although it is not officially other then to overemphasize the historical importance, but let`s assume good faith ) but others certainly should not.Adrian (talk) 21:58, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

By your reasons, we would have 3-4 countries banners all over wiki articles. Because if Targu Mures or Komarno can have WIkiProject HU then many places in Hungary could have WikiProject SK and RO, and places in SK and RO could have HU projects. Or wiki project Austria to all places Austrian Empire ruled? I don`t believe this is a good idea. Adrian (talk) 22:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, you are about to blur the point of the whole talk and driving it to a nonsense direction, aren't you? If there would be a significant Austiran population somewhere, just go ahead and the banner. Coming up with attitudinize stuffs like add WP RO to Bp really won't bring it anywhere forward. However, adding WP RO to Mehkerek would make sense, and I guess noone would have a bad word against it. I think you are clever enough to understand what it is about. Generating all the oversensitive fuss is just unneccessary. Nobody wants to add banners to unrelated things, why would one? It's completely useless, since an Austiran for example does not give a damn about a little Hungarian village. Why would one? I don't know what's your problem with the willingess to give a broader coverage of the article. Actually, that's what wiki is about, everyone put there his/her little knowledge to make the articles bigger and better. If somebody would see more into it than what it really is, well I can't do anything with that, but it's surely not a reason for eliminating banenrs. Thehoboclown (talk) 22:42, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

You don`t think that WP:RO could be added to Budapest, but if we do that to Targu Mures or any other place in RO or SK, what is stopping us to add it to Budapest as well, after all, they are not harming anyone, right? I don`t think we are coming to a solution since we both have arguments. I have asked for an advice here [1] where I got the recommendation to ask about this problem at wikiProject HU to see what are they saying, something like 3rd opinion.Adrian (talk) 05:57, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Since Komarno is a cultural center the banner is welcomed there, and at Targu Mures let`s say not to make a big deal but adding it outside this patter can be a problem.Adrian (talk) 06:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Annoying IP

OK, I complained to Courcelles who reverted him at Nađa Higl and asked him for help, here: User_talk:Courcelles#Disruptive_IP. I don´t remember meating such an annoying and persistent disruptive user lately such as that one. I really hope this ends cause I have no patience of loosing time every day reverting his same old silly edits... Cheers! FkpCascais (talk) 04:46, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I actually have had similar cases :) but in this case all of us really had patience. He received his first warning only after his third "wave". The problem is that this is a private IP, registered to a private company. I should`t say what company or location because it can be seen as a breach of privacy (WP:OUTING). Maybe I am paranoid :) but there can be easily be a wireless router with no password and one of the neighbors is playing with wiki. Anyway this IP user had at least 6 chances to explain his contributions or to simply stop. Thanks for your contributions in this case and I hope this all ends well. Greetings.Adrian (talk) 06:23, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hm, I thought the editor in question had retired. Anyway, it's not a problem: I enjoy helping out when I can. I've given my thoughts at the 3RR page, and hopefully (...) things will cool down after his return. - Biruitorul ^Talk 15:19, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

OK, I left an explanation. I also made a new list that you may find useful as a quick reference. - Biruitorul ^Talk 04:15, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Citation needed

You know very well that if you cite something, the source better say it (WP:SYNTH). You've added a source which does not say "Their ethnonym is Rumâni, while they call their community Rumâni din Sârbie in fact means Romanians from Serbia"*ref* . I know that Rumâni/Români has the same root - Romans, but please add a source which supports your edit. We need to do it the right way. --Zoupan 03:52, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

I understand, but I have never seen that a simple translation has a citation. I have explained on the talk page of the article. If needed I can add the google translate as a source but since a dialect of the Romanian is not standardized the translation is not very good translation. I speak Romanian and it is easy for me to translate it but If you wish we can contact an uninvolved editor who knows Romanian to translate it. Adrian (talk) 10:44, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Bratislava

On the Raca page of the bratislava borough there is no link to the Serbian town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoravaiDrina (talk • contribs) 16:20, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

But this is common to add links like this to pages(any pages, disambiguation pages) that share the same name. It is a matter of navigability of Wikipedia. Ex: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and many more examples of disambiguation pages that share the same name. Adrian (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Moving Burma to Myanmar - ongoing poll

This is to let you know that an ongoing poll is taking place to move Burma to Myanmar. I know this happened just recently but no administrator would close these frequent rm's down, so here we go again. This note is going out to wikipedia members who have participated in Burma/Myanmar name changing polls in the past. It does not include banned members nor those with only ip addresses. Thank you. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:00, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

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Steven Zhang's Fellowship Slideshow

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--The Olive Branch 19:08, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

September 2012

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Talk:Târgu Mureș. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. I might remind you that you already expressed your concerns over the project template, however, it got a positive answer at the editor assistance noticeboard, which you understood an accepted. Now, by this move you removed a proper template and restored a sock made vandalism. Please refrain from such moves. Thank you.

You have done the very same thing at Talk:Komárno, although every criteria was met to include the banner. Please, consider yourself warned in this case as well. Thank you, Thehoboclown (talk) 08:46, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Hungarian language

You have gotten your answer, but please do not work on any conflict, better help to your nation by distributing objectivity and truthful evaluation, and please do not support any distribution or acception as a mainstream any citations without proof.(KIENGIR (talk) 23:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC))

I made an answer again, I don't agree about the former case if I would cause conflict, since i haven't accused anybody with sock-puppetry and did not reported anybody to the ANI board, by the way I haven't supported impossible assertions, however I agree with, you about the Chilean-Scottish roles. But I have to emphasize again, good faith means I do not support any improper information even if it could be presented by the rules of Wikipedia. The Bikfalvi case is the one of he worst and dangerous thing that really blowed the fuse in many people, and we can't believe in Romania it can happen today...that's why I asked you to do something, because these unfortunate incidents are harming the Romanian-Hungarian relations, that are sometimes very hard to reconcile. Thanks (KIENGIR (talk) 23:00, 10 October 2012 (UTC))

Regarding Bikfalvi's case, and overall, I don't agree of the policy of judging some sources reliable and reliable, because these judgements can also be manipulated, and because of a newspaper is well-known, or respected, it does not mean anything, since The New York Times also stated i.e. an not true statement about Hungary in 2010 - in a thing that one point by one could be checked by everyone in the world in a second - even internationally protested people and noticed that, but still this citation is insertable, and I am sure New York Times will also be accepted as a reliable/respectable source in the future regardless of this case. My opinion is that, regardless of the rules, truthful and verifiable citations has to dominate. I won't repeat the case of Bikfalvi and it's circumstances, it is such an insanity if I'd add a citation about Victor Ponta's Zimbabwean origin, and i.e. from a 'respectable" newspaper...would that made Ponta Zimbabwean? I don't think so...in this case, sorry there is no compromise! The author of the article, and the newspaper are guilty for that, since Bikfalvi was well-knonw among Hungarians in Szatmár, long before Romanians even get known him, and just because of his blond hair by a joke at his stay in Jiu, stating a respectable newspaper that...well, I don't say any word, because foolness should have limits...Or should he have once state "I'am Hungarian", than, in the future Gazeta Sportulilor would be no more respectable? Or his mother should write a book (to be able to citate something)? Would case the Swedish-reference to disappear? Or all of his ancestors should be traced? Where did he learn Hungarian? (open television, interview in Budapest, you could hear it, you could see it...) Why his family name is Hungarian? Why their relatives declaring themselves Hungarian? A joke in a training room, and a serious an awful mistake of a "respectable" newspaper can overcome on reality, origin and family? You have to feel it, it is even pathetic I have to make struggles to be accepted something, that is one of the most clear and obvious thing in the world....otherwise, someone would published in New York Times "Elvis is alive", and it would mean he is not dead? I want to have someone to modify the Elvis page and remove any reference on his death...I am sure there are plenty of reliable and respectable sources for the citation mentioned earlier... — Preceding unsigned comment added by KIENGIR (talk • contribs) 22:54, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Request for arbitration

[2]--Nmate (talk) 20:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC)