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I wanted to ask something about Justin Beiber

But his page is locked! The lock said it would end on June, but why is it locked even thought no one is attacking him?184.98.114.65 (talk) 01:32, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Well if an IP makes a request for an edit, any edit, you can copy it straight into the article so long as it's not vandalism, if it is something outrageous like a slanderous comment about the Bieb, then don't worry about it if you don't know. But anything else, doesn't make any difference what it is really, you can put it in with the edit summary 'edit request, see talkpage' or something like that. They can do all the discussion on the talkpage with other editors by themself. You two would make a great team ! Penyulap ☏ 06:11, 27 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jaguar

It is very good to see you back here again. Penyulap ☏ 19:46, 26 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much Penyulap! I'm happy to see that your welcome was a bit more welcoming, unlike others... ☠ Jaguar ☠ 20:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, they're making more big macs now, new templates to help fake sincerity on a wider scale. What can possibly go wrong with such a genius plan. I always prefer home cooking, but then again, that is the single best way that people lure me to their homes, the food. I never knew that 'with all due respect' had negative connotations, I did know that 'have a nice day' can be taken the wrong way, but it's apparently the only way that people in the US say it, as a complete f off, I can't see the difference with a template. Just defeats the entire purpose. Penyulap ☏ 20:52, 26 Jul 2012 (UTC)

What the!?!?!?! Sorry but I have just given you the completely wrong link!!! I don't know how the hell that just happened!? I'll give you the right link in a sec! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 20:54, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Here it is now. Not a very nice way to approach someone is it? ☠ Jaguar ☠ 20:56, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Well I initially just looked at your language which spoke louder than the diff.

You're looking for the word "hastily" rather than "illegally" and thumperward is in the same boat as you searching for the right words. He is looking for the word "newbie" rather than "silly". A surprising number of editors make the assumption that all new users are knuckle dragging mouth breathers :) don't worry about it. Penyulap ☏ 06:07, 27 Jul 2012 (UTC)

WP:ANI on mass stub creation

Please note that I alerted the community that you continued the mass creation of stubs. Whereas it might very well be that the new stub generation is perfectly fine (note though that linking to a redirect is best to be avoided), I think it is good if the community is alerted, and you should obviously know of the potential discussion. Best luck.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't want this turning into a bloodbath again. I have explained everything and hopefully that should be that. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 14:58, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Your comment above...

...about "being good with a sniper rifle"... Perhaps I'm missing something, but to me that sounds very much like a threat of some kind. Care to explain? Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 15:08, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

It's a joke towards Justin Bieber... ☠ Jaguar ☠ 15:08, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

An unfortunate joke in poor taste then... Sorry, I guess I think that there are too many people actually getting shot and killed in this world. That type of comment is definitely not something I would post on Wikipedia, even as a "joke" on my own talk page, but as the saying goes "your mileage may vary/YMMV". Shearonink (talk) 15:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. Do you want me to remove the comment? ☠ Jaguar ☠ 15:28, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

A new direction

Hi Jaguar. How are you? Maybe I can help. There are a lot of other things you can do here that are really fun, needed, and appreciated. You may become a great asset to Wikipedia, but not with the stubs. That's a waste of your energy and talent.

So, how about something else? What do you like in life? What do you find really interesting? Those answers can point you in the right direction here at Wikipedia. If you want, let me know, and I can help. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:21, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thank you very much for your help! I am just really upset and annoyed that everybody at ANI is always ganging up on people and that it would always end up with me getting in a lot of trouble. It's just that I wanted to be someone on Wikipedia and make myself known - I know that it sounds really stupid but it is what I had tried to do this year... I thought I could do this by creating 10,000 articles, by improving Wikipedia, but it was wrong.

I am interested in English villages I think... I nominated one village for GA four times and failed, but if it wasn't for Dr. Blofeld who revolutionised the article it wouldn't be where it is now. I nominated John Major for GA... and that's it... That's what I find interesting, but I'm just not good at Wikipedia. Regards ☠ Jaguar ☠ 21:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, if you can write GA, even in collaboration, it means you are good enough. It is just matter of finding a good place, where you work is appreciated. Did you try one of the WikiProjects, for instance? I am sure many of them have plenty of suggestions and would welcome any help, and they can also help you with advise.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:57, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes I am a member of a few WikiProjects... I started the project WP:WILTS back in September 2010... Nearly all of the projects I am a member of are inactive, but to be honest I had nominated articles for GA, and failed nearly all of them. I had only passed two of them thanks to help from other editors and even the only two articles I had passed had failed before! I am an alright copy editor, but very undermined from other editors who are better than me of course! I had only just turned 16! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 22:05, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

It is difficult for me to estimate who active WP:WILTS now is, but if it is not, did you try for instance WikiProject United Kingdom? This one seems to be active, and they should have a lot of experience with villages.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:13, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think I'll try that. I need to concentrate on getting John Major to GA first, and then I'll see what I can do from now on... although creating nearly 10,000 articles required no skill, I was good at it. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 22:17, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that those particular 10K articles you have chosen to create did require skill - in this case, some command of written Chinese (and some other languages for other articles). This is why it did not work so well. I am sure it will be better with villages - just do not be too hasty, create one, show it in the Wikiproject, if everything goes fine, create more.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Create more villages? That is what I used to do in 2010... create hundreds of English villages, and they were of very good quality. It was too tedious to do though, and once I had created every single village in every single southern county in England I considered it a great personal achievement! But nobody had seen me do it... when I created 10,000 Chinese townships on the other hand, I did consider it a great personal achievement, and a lot of people saw it. This got me into a lot of trouble and led to nearly all of them being deleted, in which I was very angry and devastated about. My Wikipedia career got shattered. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 22:28, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. "...everyone ganging up..." should be interpreted another way: You weren't doing something helpful for the encyclopedia. Learn to trust the community.

You want to "...be someone on Wikipedia and make myself known...", as you say, then sure, you can do that. Maybe alter that aim slightly to "...be a really valuable editor...". Would that aim be okay?

Here's a plan: Make product. Stay off the back pages.

Product about John Major, huh? Sure. Write about him. But, others might get in your face while doing so. Is there stuff to write about Major?

If starting new articles would be more satisfying, there are tons and tons of articles to be written. How would you feel about building up a farm of articles, all started by you, with photos, some facts, decent daily page hits, some DYK potential. Let me know if you're interested. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I have read your very thoughtful advice there and I am going to take it. I have decided that I am not going back to mass creation, although it was something that I was very happy with. I will go back to creating a few articles though, one at a time, maybe soon, but I don't know what about. There is a lot to write about Major and it seems that nobody has really edited the page apart form me, which seems really good. I will be interested in making product now! Regards ☠ Jaguar ☠ 16:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jaguar, I was going to post on the ANI regarding your new stubs, but instead of just piling on there, I thought I'd drop a comment here instead. I'm not going to chew over the old soup of your last foray into article creation, as I commented quite a bit on your last ANI. Something you may consider is editcountitis, or in your case, article-creationitis. Having thousands of articles to your name seems to be a driving goal of yours, which is laudable as long as it's in an area that you can confidently work in. Creating chinese townships without a grasp of the language itself is taking WP:BOLD to extremes.

Anna Frodesiak, who I've worked with on the first article I did any sort of significant copy-editing on, is correct in that you shouldn't consider that being brought up on ANI as being "ganged up" on. Some of the names you see in that thread often vehemently disagree with each other on ANI. When a large number of editors make similar comments about you, it's not that they're all out to get you but that there must be something that you're doing wrong for so many people with so many different perspectives to be agreeing with each other. I highly recommend you spend some time with Anna working on real content building and not just creating stubs for others to fill out. Your "Wikipedia career" isn't everything, after all it's just a website. Everyone stumbles from time to time here, the important thing is that you can pick yourself up, learn from your mistakes and keep producing quality content. If you are really intent on creating stubs on Chinese towns, I highly suggest you do it at a slower pace and ask for input and help from Wikiproject:China. Blackmane (talk) 00:19, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Blackmane. Thank you for the message. I am not interested in edit count, but back then I was quite interested in article count. Being number 15 at List of Wikipedians by article count was a great achievement, but now I am number 500 I think, so that was really upsetting as it was a goal of mine that I can't return to anymore. My stub making days are over. But I think I am going to go to building various articles up to GA, something that I could do, I think. As long as I can become a great asset to Wikipedia, I am happy to do so. I thought I was improving Wikipedia by creating articles but I was wrong! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 16:45, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

That's the way. Don't be discourage by such a set back. It's building yourself up one step at time. Take me for instance. I do virtually no article creation, but because I'm a total obsessive about good prose I do primarily copy editing. At least I do, when I'm not being totally neglectful! =D On that note, if you ever want help on anything feel free to drop a message on my talk page. Blackmane (talk) 21:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

You know where to find me

Fair enough, my friend. Work on John Major stuff. I'll stay out of that. If and when you are ready for new articles that aren't to do with Major, you know where to find me. Best wishes, and happy to see things are looking up for you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:36, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Welcome home!

Having seen your work, which proves your potential as an invaluable asset to the encyclopaedia, on par with a mini Dr. Blofeld, I am very delighted with your return. Please bear in mind that my vote to delete your creations was a criticism of only the new entries, not your worth as a contributor: after all, it was I who created most of the List of township-level divisions of X series in the first place. I look forward to more output from you! GotR ^Talk 00:45, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I second this sentiment. Penyulap ☏ 13:16, 28 Jul 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the message GoTR! It's OK, the vote to delete my articles were 30 to 1, the '1' opposing was me! I think that you do excellent work on creating lists and red links for China, and I mass created everything you put in there! I must really thank you! Regards ☠ Jaguar ☠ 16:47, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Chinese stubs: some comments

For your Chinese substubs, they can't yet be added by the usual interwiki bots (as no pages other than that on zh exists yet), so it is important to manually add them. I am currently going through your recent creations, adding interwikis and coordinates. I found some transcription and disambiguation mistakes in List of township-level divisions of Hebei while doing so. Please do not add any more stubs relying on data from that list, unless you are able to check its accuracy and fix the errors it has. That takes time, but wrong articles are worse than not having an article at all. If you are not willing to take the time it takes to create these substubs properly, please do not create them at all.

As I am not sure you'll listen to me, here's a warning: If you create further substubs like this batch (i.e. without correcting errors and without adding interwikis), I will delete them without further notice.

Nevertheless I wish you happy editing (maybe in an area where you can read the sources), —Kusma (t·c) 12:10, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

If you want, you could go through the pages that do not have coordinates but an interwiki and copy over the coordinates from the Chinese Wikipedia. That would make your pages a lot more useful (I am a bit short on time right now). —Kusma (t·c) 12:31, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Kusma. Don't worry, I always have been listening to you and you can rest assured that my stub creating days are over since I couldn't do it right. Since the 18 articles I created yesterday have all been 'fixed' and I think all the other articles have been tended to over time. I am not going to create any more Chinese articles since the language is beyond me and even if I did create a few again in the future, I will alert somebody to check if they are satisfactory. Thank you. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 16:55, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

OK, I finally fixed them all (I hope). More work than I thought, but reading some Chinese every once in a while is fun. Still, I am happy that you'll move to other editing areas, and wish you all the best for that. —Kusma (t·c) 18:55, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Cheers for sorting out the tail end there Kusma. It was getting too late last night for me to clear the remaining bits. Blackmane (talk) 20:55, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Lauren Jackson

Hello Jaguar--sorry, I hate to criticize a fellow Wikipedian sex worker, but that review was really a bit cursory. The prose needs a lot of work, and there are the usual problems in the citation templates (web instead of news, incorrect publishers/newspapers, etc). Thank you. Drmies (talk) 22:05, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. I've been out on the bike - motorbikes are so much better than Wikipedia! I checked the prose and the only problems were the Personal and Celebrity sections which were written like a biography. These issues have now been addressed in the GA review. I checked the sources in these sections, from what I read they were correct, but I must admit I didn't notice the incorrect publishers (if there were any)! I could look through the artilce again if you want? Regards, ☠ Jaguar ☠ 10:05, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for your review of Lauren Jackson! Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:19, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Dorset

Hello Jaguar. Some time ago, you were kind enough to review and promote the Dorset article to a Good article. You said then it might, with some work, get to FA status. I thought you might like to know that the article in question is now at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Dorset/archive1 and that you might give us the benefit of your opinion once again. Best regards--Ykraps (talk) 06:37, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that Dorset had been put of for FA a few weeks ago, and believe it or not I was going to be the first one to leave comments! But ANI was giving me problems, so I had to leave it. I was going to comment sooner of later, but thanks for remending me now. I'll leave some comments later if I'm not going to be on the motorbike again today. ☠ Jaguar ☠ 10:08, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for not doing it yet as I've been away from Wikipedia for a few weeks. I've also just got my results today. I'll leave some comments later on Dorset this evening! ☠ Jaguar ☠ 14:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Message

Hello, Jaguar. You have new messages at Ykraps's talk page.
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Your GA nomination of John Major

The article John Major you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:John Major for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:42, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Help on John Jacob Astor on Titanic 1997.

Thank you for your edits and I need one more thing, it says on Titanic 1997 that Astor died after being crushed when one of the ship's funnels collapsed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_(1997_film)#Post-production

I tired to set to how his body was described but I was refused. To have the source to show how it actually said. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jT-8P9ykSkcC&pg=PT92&lpg=PT92&dq=titanic+101+things+astor+crushed&source=bl&ots=Cvx1_lp0YB&sig=kxmVCW_fg3ccDY8ugtXEM1bOexI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZWGEUPzqHsfT0QXNkYCIBQ&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAA