Talk:Russians

Soviet Politicians?

Do we absolutely have to have Soviet Politicians? I mean the Russians did so many great things, we all know that. But Soviet politics wasn't one of them. I mean we don't have Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Chernenko, Andropov, insert Soviet politician here, so why Gorbachev? Why have any at all? They're all controversial, and might still be offensive to people who are still living. I mean Ivan the Terrible was bad, but it's not like he messed up the family of anyone alive today. I'm sorry, I just don't see the reason for it. Instead of Gorbachev, why not put a Soviet rockstar? Or a famed filmmaker like Bodrov? Or one of the two Soviet female pilot fighter aces in WWII? And that goes for any politicians, even including the current Russian ones. For Americans, we get Franklin, but none of the current politicians are shown. 71.165.41.87 (talk) 21:13, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

So, no objections to removing Gorbachev? 71.165.41.173 (talk) 23:33, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Mistake in Collage

Alexander II and Dmitri Shostakovitch are not ethnic Russians. And this is not the question of how much they are Russian (like Lenin or Pushkin). The first is ethnic German and the second is ethnic Belorussian. This is not an article about Russian nation, this is the article about Russian ethnicity. Thus it detracts the honour of both Germans and Belorussians. These two figures may be added to German and Belorussian collages. I believe both peoples are proud that one of Germans was a Russian ruler and one of Belorussians was a great Russian music composer.EdwinStrum (talk) 16:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

GreatOrangePumpkin, you've made collage smaller and added Nicholas II, who was four times less Russian than his grandfather Alexander II. 93.72.94.205 (talk) 18:10, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Nicholas II is an exception.--GoP_T^CN 07:10, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

By what means? 93.72.94.205 (talk) 14:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Several more people aren't Russian in the collage: - St. Vladimir - when he lived there was no such words as 'Russian' or 'Russia' - Nikolai Lobachevsky - his father was Polish - Nikolai Gogol - he was Ukrainian - Pyotr Tchaikovsky - his father was Ukrainian — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexius108 (talk • contribs) 07:11, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Russian genetics

Evidence that the northern Russian genetically related Finns outdated. In the original article is written: "In particular, the northern Russian by Y-chromosome markers have a more significant similarity with distant Balts than closer Finno-Ugric peoples. According mtDNA northern Russian gene pools are similar to Western and Central Europe. This gene pool Finnish people as distant from the northern Russian. study autosomal markers also brings northern Russian and other European nations, and calls into question the Finno-Ugric reservoir in the northern Russian gene pool. this data can hypothesize about saving in these areas of the ancient paleoevropeyskogo substrate that has experienced intense migration of ancient Slavic tribes." Correct. Sorry for my bad English, because I am from Russia. P.S. also, I suggest to add data about the fact that the Mongolian population is not native Russian, because I often hear Deletant opinion about the fact that Russian descended from the Mongols. This is nonsense too. 37.79.91.46 (talk) 07:39, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Y-chromosome markers cannot show whether two peoples are related, they pertain solely to male ancestry. If you look at the Y-DNA of Mexicans, you'd think they are Spaniards with minute native admixtures, which is untrue. Autosomal DNA analysis shows that Northern Russians (e.g., from Vologda) have large Finno-Ugric admixtures. See any ADMIXTURE analysis at, e.g., Dodecad, Eurogenes, MDLP, etc. --217.172.29.4 (talk) 15:29, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

About R1a1 in Kyrgyz population not correct. Kyrgyz population with R1a1 only from Jumgal District. The descent of the Kyrgyz from the autochthonous Siberian population is confirmed by genetic studies.[14] For instance, 63% of modern Kyrgyz men of Jumgal District[15] Other groups of Kyrgyz show considerably lower haplogroup R frequencies and almost lack haplogroup N. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.61.52.56 (talk) 13:39, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Total number of Russians

This is a copy of the Russian Wikipedia article (again) and this is a political statement by Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who is not exactly known for his demographics research. While the current number of Russians is probably greater than the (now) 132 million cited by the Joshua Project, it is the only source we have that's even remotely reliable (cites its data, focuses on demographics). If you'd like to amend the figure, please bring a source that is at least as reliable. Simply pasting random links that mention the number "150 million" just won't do. --illythr (talk) 17:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

We have agreed on this before. Look up if you need a refresher. Using Joshuaproject is unacceptable as the numbers do not match any census data even remotely (ex. US and Canada, and most others.) Either use the 2003 data with the 150 million, or find some new reliable sources.--Therexbanner (talk) 18:47, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

From "Российская газета", article: http://www.rg.ru/2012/08/09/perepis.html, and posted on the official 2010 Census website: http://www.perepis-2010.ru/news/detail.php?ID=7403

"Впрочем, директор Института этнологии и антропологии РАН Валерий Тишков считает: "Среди 5,6 миллиона человек, национальность которых для Росстата осталась неизвестна, минимум 4 миллиона, или 80 процентов, - это русские. Радикального уменьшения количества русских не произошло. Их доля даже повысилась"."

A statement from a Russian academy of sciences official and re-post of the article in the government neewspaper and census website should be enough proof for anyone. Therefore the number of Russians in Russia alone has increased from 2002, and not decreased to 111 million. Many were unable to respond to the census and were taken from administrative sources.

To clear this up, they did not say they had another ethnicity or not stated out of principle, there were a separate 1% of those in the census. The 4%, mainly Russians were simply unable to reply.--Therexbanner (talk) 19:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

The main problem with the 150M figure is that it comes from random opinion pieces by authors who only mention it in passing and focus their articles on something completely different. None of them are reliable because of that. The Joshua Project, while not the best of sources, at least focuses on demography and thus works as a "stopgap" solution, until a real academic source can be found. But whatever, I suppose the current figure can stay with current sourcing, as long as it states the year. Just don't add any more Wikipedia ripoff pages to support it. --illythr (talk) 21:37, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good, still looking for some data, it doesn't help that some wiki-based articles occasionally masquerade as real research.--Therexbanner (talk) 22:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, this figure seems to be particularly prone to feedback loops. I bet the majority of Internet "sources" citing this number took it from Wikipedia. --illythr (talk) 23:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Please, stop adding Israel

The number 1,500,000 is the approximate number of the immigrants of the great wave of Aliyah from the USSR and the former Soviet republics during the 1990's and somehow 2000's. The majority of these immigrants are ethnic Jews (the fact that made them possible to immigrate to Israel under the Zionist law of Return), the rest are from partial Jewish ancestry or non-Jewish people married to Jews / people of Jewish ancestry. The number of ethnic Russians in Israel seems to be difficult to estimate, since the official Israeli census doesn't even deal with the ethnic affiliation of the immigrants that are not considered as "Jews", but merely define them as "non-Jewish citizens" 77.127.28.36 (talk) 15:05, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Sergei Korolev is not of Russian ethnicity

Sergei Korolev's father was Belarusian from Mogilev, while his mother was Ukrainian, so I think he should be replased by someone else, like Konstantin Tsiolkovsky. 94.0.160.176 (talk) 13:54, 9 December 2012 (UTC)