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Jonathan Caouette‎

Great work on the article! Doniago (talk) 20:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou for saying so, Doniago. Lopifalko (talk) 06:06, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Exposing to the right

Hi Lopifalko! I have recently re-written Exposing to the right and would appreciate some feedback, if you have the time. Even a cursory glance to see if I've made any glaring errors would be enough. Thank you in advance. Regards, nagualdesign (talk) 09:43, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wonga

Please stay civil. Harry the Dog WOOF 12:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I was being civil; I explained myself as thoroughly as possible with each revert, so that they would seem civil; apologies if I still came across as uncivil. Just because I undid your removal of my editing doesn't mean I'm not civil, I'm just disagreeing with your actions. I agree with what you said on your second revert of the BBC Radio 4 article. Lopifalko (talk) 13:09, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was refering to your edit summary. Accusing someone of astroturfing does not presume good faith. Harry the Dog WOOF 13:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah, good point, forgot about that little indiscretion. It seemed to me you were removing mention of the article from Wikipedia so that it was harder to find because it criticised the company. Anger and paranoia on my part, sorry about that.

No problem. Now that there is an article that's fine. People had been regularly adding links to the website, which wasn't! Harry the Dog WOOF 13:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Power

Thank you for your good additions to the Mark Power article. English-language Wikipedia has very weak coverage of photographers and benefits from all the help it gets. Power's article was for a long time particularly unfortunate as it was the object of some energetic nitwit's tiresome fantasy that Power was born in 1979 and in other ways differed from the real-life Power who's of encyclopedic concern. (I'd guess that the nitwit either was, or had a friend who was, some unremarkable Mark Power, b.1979.)

I see that you've also written about Simon Roberts. Unfortunately I have little to add on either Power or Roberts (which is not intended as criticism of either; actually I bought [and kept!] two of Roberts' books). If you work on the article about another photographer, let me know and I'll help if I can. -- Hoary (talk) 01:58, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tell me about it! The poor coverage of photographers is a total shame, they deserve better, so I'm concentrating on them more than other areas here at the moment. I bounced off your Talk page to do a little editing of David Bailey (photographer) and Don McCullin. Thanks for the offer of help, I appreciate that. I'm in the middle of a big rewrite of Garry Winogrand, and have done a lot of work on Joel Meyerowitz recently. Lopifalko (talk) 19:44, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My new changes to the article on Meyerowitz. Unfortunately I started with the assumption that there was only one Aftermath book. I later noticed that there were two. (I haven't seen either.) Do please have a look at the article to see whether it now misinforms about one or both (and of course to see if I've made any other mistake). -- Hoary (talk) 00:58, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that looks great, you made loads of worthwhile improvements. I've learned an amendment I need to make to where I put the date in book publication details, thanks. Lopifalko (talk) 22:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and happy new year. Erm, you're not the first person to confuse Mark Power with Mark Power. See this autobio. (For more traps for the unwary, see this, not excluding the comments it gets.) Incidentally, I think that this older Mark Power deserves an article too. -- Hoary (talk) 08:56, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, thanks Hoary for looking over my shoulder and feeding back to me :) Lopifalko (talk) 09:02, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm glad it didn't come off as "Wikistalking". ¶ "The Salt Mine" is/was a superb blog, and I very much hope that there are new entries. It's one of several blogs whose demise (or moribundity) is noted here. -- Hoary (talk) 09:10, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's from that blog post that I picked up on the MP blog. It's funny, now that you've made yourself known, I can see you in logs going back over the past year or so working on many of the same photographer articles I've been working on, so it's useful that we've become a little acquainted. Lopifalko (talk) 09:23, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Today I made my first edit to Edward Olive, not a photographer I'd ever heard of before but instead somebody who popped up in a search through Wikipedia for another photographer who'd won a great wedding photographer award. Olive seems to have won more awards than, say, Henri Cartier-Bresson! -- Hoary (talk) 13:26, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Apropos of crap articles on photographers, see Irakly Shanidze (and its talk page). -- Hoary (talk) 01:58, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Checkout my Peter Dench article, if you would.

Exhibitions

A note on Winogrand: Exhibitions too must be sourced. (Here's an example of how it's done; notice how the [living] photographer's own website is not used as a source.) Yes of course this is terribly tedious work. -- Hoary (talk) 01:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah tedious stuff, but thanks Hoary for letting me know as I didn't realise it. I've been putting it into practice since you brought it up here though. Lopifalko (talk) 14:43, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing

I didn't look at the history of the Winogrand article and so don't know who it was who sourced a lot of material to this blog post. The blogger has tried hard and the post looks good. However, this is not good enough: we cannot depend on blogs.

I don't know how it is that answers.com has the rights to republish the Oxford Companion to the Photograph, but apparently it does, and Winogrand is here. And that's just a start: there's an enormous amount of other material available. There's no need to resort to blogs. -- Hoary (talk) 13:55, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Linking

Thanks for your edits to The Stone Roses. Please note, however, that (per WP:OVERLINK) "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables, image captions, and at the first occurrence after the lead." Merry Christmas. Longwayround (talk) 17:00, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, got it, thanks. Lopifalko (talk) 17:03, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Goldblade

Nice job! Wwwhatsup (talk) 08:24, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Lopifalko (talk) 14:44, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Peter Dench for deletion

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Garry Winogrand

I removed the Persondata form the beginning of the article because Pesondata is upposed to go at the end of the article and there was already a copy of it there, So I didn't remove it from the article just removed a copy. Hope this helps. Waacstats (talk) 12:21, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh I see, thanks for explaining :) Lopifalko (talk) 09:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of women photographers

if a gender separated list is really required, why is it not instead a category?

Good question. No real reason. However, if it went, this would call into question List of photographers, which is handy for editors as a way to see some of what's new and particularly what's new spam or other junk. -- Hoary (talk) 14:17, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads-up on List of photographers Hoary, in the last day I've been using Category: British_photographers, English_photographers, British_photojournalists and English_photojournalists and found loads that probably aren't notable enough for inclusion and am planning to get to work on them. Lopifalko (talk) 14:40, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I went to "English photographers" and arbitrarily chose the start of "L". Penny Lancaster: article shows zero notability as a photographer. Simon Larbalestier: looks very thin but there could be something. Martin Laroche: fine. Neil Lawson Baker: a photographer merely on the strength of this single, unsourced sentence: Since 2007, Neil [sic] has also been exploring the world of high resolution photography as a fine-art form producing a distinct style of work notably of Venice, Buenos Aires and London. Jeez. Alice Dixon Le Plongeon: totally unsourced. If sourced, OK; but possibly a complete hoax. Jim Lee (photographer): Ah, I've already encountered this one. ¶ Tip: WP will never be free of dodgy articles; if you attempt to rid it of them (whether by improving them or having them removed) you will overwork yourself to the point of insanity. So better to concentrate your finite energies on improving those that clearly merit improvement and having deleting those that clearly merit deletion. -- Hoary (talk) 15:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

External links + Endorsements

Some of the links your removed i think should be add back in because some of the kpop artists/agencies have multilanguage websites for different audience. official website stop updating once the group done with their comeback. social media updates news about the group on current events quicker and also somethings are not updated thru website and etc...

On the Endorsements since i'm her fan i know those endorsements are notable, i would appreciate if you stop delete them again, thanks. --Lpmfx (talk) 17:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lpmfx. Regarding External Links, please read WP:ELOFFICIAL - "Wikipedia does not provide a comprehensive web directory to every official website. Wikipedia does not attempt to document or provide links to every part of the subject's web presence or provide readers with a handy list of all social networking sites. Complete directories lead to clutter and to placing undue emphasis on what the subject says.". Also, Facebook is clearly linked to from the front page of the f(x) official web site.

Regarding Endorsements, when a celebrity endorses a corporate product, it is not a notable fact as far as Wikipedia is concerned. A notable fact would be like an album release, or a concert tour. The fact they are paid by a corporation to have their name associated with a product is not notable. Have you got sources that indicate how these endorsements are notable? Lopifalko (talk) 17:47, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

i'm talking about Exo's 2 facebook page and the 2 weibo address, the group have 2 subgroups and each group have their own facebook(english) and weibo(chinese). since the Girls' Generation can have their official facebook page listed in their wiki page, why can't other do the same?

Thanks for pointing out that Girls' Generation had a link to their Facebook in their External Links, I've removed that too Lopifalko (talk) 18:30, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

i'll re-wording the endorsements to Commercial Filming.--Lpmfx (talk) 18:27, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the name on the tin doesn't change what's inside. Lopifalko (talk) 18:30, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh, so, are you saying they're 'Commercials / Advertisements' (as in, say, a 30 second long moving image), rather than product endorsements (which I took to mean merely putting her face or name to a product)? Lopifalko (talk) 18:51, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They are part of her work, as alot of artists/entertainers have similar section why can't she?--Lpmfx (talk) 19:06, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What matters is whether or not it's notable. Just because other Wikipedia articles have some info which isn't notable, is no reason to justify non-notable info for other articles. Lopifalko (talk) 19:42, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

----Freja Beha Erichsen (talk) 22:09, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Freja Beha Erichsen, that's an interesting read that backs up what I said. I do generally try to make sure social networking links have prominent placement on the official site before removing them, but sometimes can be slap dash about it, so after reading that I'll now make doubly sure of it. Lopifalko (talk) 22:29, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion?

There are 2 articles "Wang Fei Fei" and "Meng Jia" infos is all in the Miss A's article almost word by word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tempmama (talk • contribs) 20:25, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it is usual practice for Wikipedia to have a page for such people, but without much duplicated information. The majority of the information should be in the group's article, with a summary in the individual artist's article. Lopifalko (talk) 20:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Bieber

Hi,I m Mukta Sawant from India. And thinking of creating Wikiproject page 4 Justin Bieber.If u wish 2 help me reply it on ur page & pls I wanna Listen yes (116.203.68.29 (talk) 12:29, 25 January 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Thank you Multa, but no thanks. Have you looked at the article for him already, Justin Bieber?

Dench

Fast! I can only suppose that you were alerted by the same email that I received, and that you received it for the same reason. (Me, I don't know where I'm going to store all the damn books that I'm promised by emphas.is and Kickstarter.) -- Hoary (talk) 14:58, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

:) Twitter. I've bought books I haven't gotten round to opening yet, it seems tragic. The trouble with a lot of photo books is that if you don't buy them when they come out, theirs is a limited run and so they only go up in price. And there are so many of them that are desirable. Tomorrow I get my copy of Bruce Davidson's Subway.

Essential reading. -- Hoary (talk) 00:51, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've read that before, but it's worth reading again, it's very funny. When I say I've not opened some of mine... I've bought them because I've wanted to read them, and know I'll not be able to afford them soon, and the only reason I've not opened them yet is because I've bought so many recently, just to be clear here Hoary that I'm not someone that takes Blake Andrews seriously :)

I hesitate to say this now that you've bought all the books, but I do wonder if their prices will go up. Some books have gone up a lot, yes, and of course now that I know this I'd like to take a short vacation to 1985 or so and visit a bookshop with a thick wad of cash. In general, though, I doubt it. Yes, people seem to go bonkers over every book by Lee Friedlander, but I'm not sure that the new books of many other famous older photographers are similar. (Well, the reprint Fukase's Karasu ["Crows"], perhaps. And the reprint of Kawada's Chizu ["The Map"].) Indeed, I recently bought a copy of the first edition of Falkland Road for less than the new edition would have cost me. But no matter, because Subway is a fine book: even if the price doesn't rise, you should enjoy it. Incidentally, if your shelf and floor will take the weight, Davidson's Outside/Inside is superb too: quite a lot of money, but the price pays for a great quantity of excellent reproductions. -- Hoary (talk) 12:54, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Grimes Influences

Sorry about that, I re-wrote it to more accurately describe why it's essential this be included on Grimes wiki page. Grimes specifically created a music piece of her lesser known and generally difficult to find music and artist influences. It's an original work by Grimes and goes far and beyond the scope of the list of artists she has merely mentioned in a few interviews. If you could re-add the second edit I made that would be much appreciated. Thanks! Troggo11 (talk) 21:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

you deleted my photo?

hello, you deleted the photo i added to the street photographer page as self promotion? The photo was by a photographer named Fraser Reid, not me.............. he is a well known Scottish Street Photographer. I have undone your deletion as I have no idea where your "self promotion" pon int os coming from. happy to discuss further if required