Talk:Sudeten Germans

Merge Sudeten Germans with ?

I vote no. Sudeten Germans are a distinct group of people. Other ethnic German groups have article such as Baltic Germans. Germans in Czechoslovakia (1918–1938) is a tortured article and is the one that should go. It would be inconsistent to lose this article with ones like Carpathian Germans, etc. around. --Hutcher (talk) 03:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

The introduction "the most intractable ......" is slanderous and should definitely be removed. The Norwegian mass killer Breivik took such nationalist expressions from Wikipedia for his manifesto to underline his demand for Europe`s ethnic cleansing of Muslims. He cited Wiipedia as a support for his ideas. The German admins are starting to delete nationalist opinions.--92.228.177.64 (talk) 16:03, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

History

This article needs a section on history of Sudeten Germans. You know, first records noting their presence, notable historical events, leaders etc. Generally pre-nationalism history. Otherwise it's a worthless article since everything it contains can be learned from articles about WW2 or about Czech and Slovakia. In its current shape it might as well be deleted. It needs information on culture, language etc. as articles on ethnic groups usually do. And notable Sudeten Germans sections should exist as well.
Also, how are factories important enough to be written about in the, uh, 2 sentence of the lead? This information belongs in the Sudentenland article, factories are not people, this is an article about people.
I'd do all this but I know close to nothing about this, I tried to found out and here I am on wikipedia, with no worthwhile information to be found.--109.196.118.133 (talk) 10:04, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Languages in infobox

German Bohemians used Bavarian, Franconian, Thuringian, Lusatian and Silesian Dialects, the same dialects used in neighbouring German and Austrian regions. They did not only use Bavarian Dialects and Standard German (please excuse my poor English...).--87.150.92.13 (talk) 06:35, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

• https://www.ethnologue.com/language/deu says "39,100 in Czech Republic (2001 census)" for Standard German
• https://www.ethnologue.com/language/sli says "10,900 in Czech Republic (2001 census)" for Silesian
• https://www.ethnologue.com/language/bar says "9,000 in Czech Republic (2005)" for Bavarian

I couldn't find which Franconian dialect(s) the above commenter was referring to (Ethnologue doesn't list any as spoken in the Czech Republic) unless the commenter meant the North Bavarian (Upper Franconian) dialect of Bavarian mentioned in https://www.ethnologue.com/language/bar, and I wasn't able to find descriptions of Thuringian's geographical distribution. (Lusatian may be Sorbian, which would fit the geography per https://www.ethnologue.com/family/17-1181, but that's a Slavic language, and the comment sounded like it was referring to a Germanic language.)

(And on a personal note, there's nothing wrong with your English.)

The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 12:43, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, looking in the Czech Republic would not help anyway. You would have to go back to 1930 at the earliest. My knowledge of the language subject is not that great, and I had a hard time figuring out which languages were spoken. I do know, however, that Bavarian dialects were spoken. It is possible that Silesian German was spoken in the Silesian part of the Kingdom, but I can’t find any proof that it was. Sorbian isn’t a germanic language…German Bohemians had a close relationship with Bavaria, just as Austrians do. They are generally Catholic, and live in the same area. I imagine that if they were to speak anything, it would be something related to Bavarian. Perhaps, it is worthwhile to include Silesian German? RGloucester (talk) 14:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Lower Silesian is confirmed in the Czech lands, so I’ll add it. RGloucester (talk) 14:24, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Thuringian-Upper Saxonian and Lusatian dialects are part of East Mittle German (part of High German) dialects as shown in this map:

. Lusatian (number 44 in the map) is closely related to Silesian and is not Sorbian. But Lusatian and Sorbian are spoken in the same (ethnically mixed) region. Franconian dialects (45) are spoken in northern Bavaria. --87.150.92.13 (talk) 16:46, 26 February 2013 (UTC) (Hotti4)

Here you can find a map of the formerly used German dialects in the Czech lands: [1] --87.150.92.13 (talk) 16:50, 26 February 2013 (UTC)