User talk:Maria0333

Edit warring, again

Unfortunately, you appear to have developed a WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality and have continued to engage in edit-warring over a wide range of articles, many of which are not seen as having a need for the maps you are inserting. You apparently cannot accept that the community has not found your images acceptable everywhere you want to put them, and you have refused to acknowledge what seems evident to others, that you have engaged in WP:SYNTHESIS. The WP:BURDEN is on you to support your addition of maps in those numerous articles, and instead of attempting to meet that burden, you have chosen instead to revert-war. This is disruptive to the Wikipedia project. Regrettably, I cannot see any way to prevent this disruption besides preventing you from editing. Therefore:

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  ~Amatulić (talk) 15:46, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

What the hell is going on with you all's mind.It was warned to me hours back since then I havnt made a single edit except blanking my talk page because I am not interested in engaging any discussions with non professional in linguistics. To hell with map and 50 articles and to hell with WP . BYE forever. Maria0333 (talk) 15:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

You only hurt yourself by quitting. Take the time to think about things and how you want to deal with them. It is difficult to make changes when you try to do good things, but impossible to do so if you quit. [[1]] <--look at this video(I know it is blocked in Pakistan due to censorship, but maybe you can access it?). (Lowkeyvision (talk) 17:55, 23 March 2013 (UTC))

Please read WP:Consensus (Lowkeyvision (talk) 13:53, 24 March 2013 (UTC))

And there may well be nothing at all wrong with your maps. The problem here is your conduct, which has been unprofessional, childish (just see your parting message above), uncollaborative, and disruptive. You are welcome back if you want to come back. If you do, you will need to focus more on collaboration, consensus, and civility, and less on winning a battle.

Also, if you want to converse and collaborate only with linguists, you are involving yourself in the wrong articles. Wikipedia is vast; the choice is yours. ~Amatulić (talk) 16:08, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Amatulic.

• I am very very fool just because two users have trapped me in to Block. Faizan, and Sitush.
• Now I have checked User talks of EdJohnston, Amatulic and Dawn Bard. who I suppose are WP administrators. All these were continuously persuaded against me by these 2.
• I was in total Dark.
• Actually I had difference of opinion with Faizan on Baluchistan Language map size and positioning only not on maps content in three Articles
• He along with Samar started teasing me with unnecessary continuous messages on Baluchistan related Pages.
• I was surprised that why he is taking the map size or positioning petty issue to such large scale argument.
• Unfortunately at the same time Sitush and orlady objected on Punjabi Map on commons with out any linguistics or local knowledge.
• All communications on My Talk page informed Faizan about Punjabi dialect map issue and he (after being ignored by me and leaving him for what ever he do with Baluchistan language map related articles) started to take revenge.
• He immediately put all Punjabi Map relevant articles on his watch list.
• Sitush, Orlady and Faizan combined together and made it an ego issue and started edit war engaging behavior.
• I realized and stopped edit war but until that I was blocked for one day.
• After that I just decided to stay away from edit war until a decision from commons comes in.
• As soon commons decided in favor of my map of Punjabi dialects.
• I reinserted my map from where it was deleted by these 3 non relevant time pass editors.
• But they again started edit war. I got warning so I stopped editing
• But Faizan and Sitush cleverly persuaded these three administrators for blocking me alleging that after a warning Maria is still edit Waring.
• By god It was not true because I stopped editing those articles to avoid the ego race.
• Please see my Talk page history , Commons Deletion request history and continuous edit war behaviors of these on relevant articles. You can also check these editors contributions as an evidence to what I have told you.
• I love WP and I love WP rules, I want to be a proud contributor to WP on linguistic related material with good faith.
• Unfortunately clever editors just defeated good faith editor in all this.
• They have no interest either in relevant articles neither in Baluchistan Languages nor in Punjabi dialect maps. They are just time pass people.
• I will try to avoid edit war because I believe we all are one community as WIKIPEDIAN
• I REQUEST JUSTICE Please.

Maria0333 (talk) 17:45, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

• Maria0333, as Amatulic has tried to tell you, Wikipedia would welcome your contributions if you would collaborate productively, but hurling insults is not a good way to build productive relationships with people. The people who have expressed concerns about your edits do not happen to be professional linguists, but that does not make us worthless human beings who can be dismissed at "time pass people". We expressed concerns and asked questions about your map or other edits because we are concerned about maintaining the quality of Wikipedia. There is no conspiracy against you as a person, but there is a shared belief that it was disruptive of you to repeatedly revert edits to dozens of articles to get your way.

I think you may be misinterpreting the significance of the fact that your map was "kept" at Commons. Commons did not address the question of whether or not the map is original research and whether it is suitable for inclusion in articles in English Wikipedia or any other Wikipedia version. Acceptability for use in English Wikipedia needs to be decided here, which is why I opened discussion at File talk:Map on Dialects Of Punjabi Language.jpg. --Orlady (talk) 18:51, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Maria, if you are trying to get unblocked read the guide to appealing block and try to explain why one of those reasons applies to your unblock request. I feel like a lawyer...(shivers in disgust).... The point is that your goals wont always easily be accomplished and even though not all senior editors are nice, they are usually trying to do what they think is right(protect the encyclopedia from crap). You should focus on why you should be unblocked, what you think led to the block and how you plan on preventing it from happening again. This is probably the best route to getting unblocked. You also have to use the unblock function as instructed in the block.

I have taken liberty to rewrite your letter for unblock proposal. Can you note the difference in tone? If you agree to this revision, you can repost it in your unblock request.

--------REVISED LETTER-----------

I realize that I have made a mistake and over reacted to Faizan, and Sitush. The administrators EdJohnston, and Amatulic and Dawn Bard might have gotten the wrong impression about me from the information they were given. When Faizan and Samar began teasing me on Baluchistan related Pages I became upset.

I didn’t realize how a small issue like this could have led to such an argument between us. This unfortunately coincided with Sitush also having questions Punjabi Map. I all of a sudden became overwhelmed by the responses that were coming in. I realized I had made a mistake and stopped edit warring and I was blocked for one day.

After commons discussion ruled that the map I had proposed was more accurate I reinserted it into the pages. The pages kept being reverted and I stopped editing.

I did not think I had acted by edit warring and if I have then I am sorry. Please check my My talk page history Talk page history , Commons Deletion request history and you can see the antagonism I faced.

I love WP and I love WP rules, I want to be a proud contributor to WP on linguistic related material with good faith. I agree to work with the other members of Wikipedia, despite the challanges, so the information is agreed upon and well cited. If I have further issues I will first try to gain consensus, then seek third opinion and then seek to utilize the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard & alert administrators to get help. Thank You.

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If you agree to this revision, you can repost it in your unblock request and you have the right to delete my entire comment. You have to use the special unblock function to have an unblock request. Best of luck. (Lowkeyvision (talk) 00:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC))

It's a minor thing, but for the sake of accuracy I just wanted to point out here that I am not a Wikipedia admin. Cheers, Dawn Bard (talk) 01:34, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Updated. Thank you for the correction. (Lowkeyvision (talk) 01:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC))

Well, I am an administrator. Because I have managed to become involved in this situation, it would not be appropriate for me to decide on an unblock request. However, I am sorry to have to say that I would not be inclined to accept this proposed request for unblocking, because it does not demonstrate an adequate understanding of how the user's own actions led to the block. When blocked users blame their actions on other people, they are almost never successful in getting the block lifted. --Orlady (talk) 04:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Agreed, it would be inappropriate for me to decide on the unblock request because I'm involved too. I will say that this draft request is better than the one from the last block, although WP:NOTTHEM would still be a reason for an admin to decline it. If it can be phrased to omit discussion of other editors, it would probably work. Please note, however, that the block isn't permanent. It's only for 1 week, so it will expire on its own eventually anyway. ~Amatulić (talk) 04:43, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I was paragraphrasing what was written and those were not my words of choice. I agree with you Orlady, that the unblock must be met with understanding of both how a users action led to the block and how the user would act if unblocked, and without the first it is impossible to do the second. Can you show us examples of successful unblocks so we have something to refer to? Thank You. (Lowkeyvision (talk) 05:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC))

I thank you all for guiding me through but Unblock Request was not the objective of my narrative because There is no guarantee that after un blocking these editors will put there nose again in all relevant articles, I just wanted to point out how few editors like Sitush and Faizan use WIKIPEDIA as a fun ego riding exercise and play games and tactics. What If I start this with them and I have thousand of options to win ego wars because if they have evil brain then I can bet that I can become biggest evil for all involved. But I am trying to warn such people that STOP IT and specially with new editors dont play your politics. I again strongly re iterate the need for fair practices. I love WP and proud to use it with a 100% positive intention and good faith.For all other editors I have deep respect and I want to be part of your community thats why for sake of you all I forgive Sitush and Faizan but expect that they will not message me again or try to involve in the articles where they never had been a contributor. Maria0333 (talk) 06:05, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Well Maria! After the block expires, or you are un-blocked, obviously you are welcome to make your useful contributions! We are not your enemies, but you have to abide by the Rules and policies of Wikipedia! Please don't try to paste the image File:Map on Dialects Of Punjabi Language.jpg on more unrelated articles, and better discuss it at File talk:Map on Dialects Of Punjabi Language.jpg! It is not of the best quality, and the image needs improvement, and still the image is not eligible to be put in 50+ Articles that you did! We will be here for your help always! Remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that can be edited by anyone! So just go through Policies and guidelines! The problem here is just your "conduct" Faizan (talk) 08:39, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Please see above and below Orlady, Lowkeyvision and Amatulić, This was what I was telling you that how obsessed this person Fazain is with all this issue. Message after Message after Message edit war sock pupet what the hell crazy. I told clearly that this crazy editor should avoid me but see how he is still teasing me. Enough is enough. He is wasting my, his own and all other WP editors time for his utter egoistic non sense. I request his and Sitush blockage if WP is fair. Otherwise I reserve all rights to take corrective actions. Nothing is damaged yet. It is time to reilize and give space Maria0333 (talk) 09:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

1) Maria, whether you decide to continue with an unblock or not, the thing I would recommend most to you is to sincerely apologize to Orlady. She is not just an administrator but someone who has done a lot for Wikipedia. Based on her editing history, you can see that she is open minded and can be have her opinion changed. She may be upset now, but she can be serve as a resource for the changes you want to make instead of an opponent. Also, no matter how good of an editor someone is, if they irk enough administrators their wikipedia editing career will get cut short.
2)All users are not equal on Wikipedia, despite what they say. [[2]] <--Look at this. Sitush tells me to "Piss Off." You and I would get banned from wikipedia for saying this but I didnt even report it to ANI because I know NOTHING would happen because senior editors are able to gather enablers for their abusive edits. In another comment he called me "Bloody Stupid" and I didnt report that one either. Some "senior" editors write abusive messages to newer editors and when the new editors respond in the same tone they are reported to administrators and they are kicked off wikipedia. It is how some people get the Lullz.
3) That being said, the encyclopedia can only improve if good people stay around. The challenge is that you have to be more morally sound, smarter, and cooler minded than the people trying to push your buttons. The rewards is that you not only improve the encyclopedia, but yourself as well. (Lowkeyvision (talk) 10:30, 25 March 2013 (UTC))

Thanks Lowkeyversion and sorry to Orlady. We respect her. Maria0333 (talk) 12:17, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I struck that comment and apologised before anyone else commented, Lowkeyvision, as you well know. A far worse thing on Wikipedia is duplicity. - Sitush (talk) 17:57, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

There you go name calling again and trying to push buttons. Did you strike out this one[[3]]? If you want to hold reasonable dialogue on articles I am okay with that, but I am not going to get roped into your game of name calling.(Lowkeyvision (talk) 18:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC))

Yes, you got blocked for doing that point-y stuff. Anyway, this is not the place to discuss me and I've no idea why you felt that it was appropriate to make the link that you did. Back off, please. - Sitush (talk) 19:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Sitush and Faizan Al Pdri stop your utter bull shit on my talk page Maria0333 (talk) 05:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)