Template talk:Infobox chess biography

Current rating?

Is it really a good idea to include the current rating in the template? Surely this is just creating a maintenance nightmare. Why not just settle for a link to the Fide rating card?Armfield 10:24, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes agreed. They will keep being out of date. One option is to leave it blank with no Fide rating shown.

Header

Currently white. Tempted to made the colour #ffce9e (light square colour) as done with the chess opening. Although perhaps another colour for Bio's. Most choices would be better then white. ChessCreator (talk) 02:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Now green bfe0bf. Discussion here ChessCreator (talk) 01:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Left wording onto two lines

Sometimes the eft wording goes onto two lines for no obvious reason. Example: Pal Benko,Koneru Humpy where it says Peak and then on next line Rating. ChessCreator (talk) 13:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 Done ChessCreator (talk) 14:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Full name or Birthname

Template asks for Birth name, yet then displays Full name. The two are not the same. Examples include females that marry Grace Alekhine for example. ChessCreator (talk) 13:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

5 years later and still this isn't fixed. Anyone know how? Adpete (talk) 01:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

That looks "too" easy. What exactly is the change desired? Ihardlythinkso (talk) 05:26, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Most articles have worked around the bug, and put the subject's full name in the "birthname" field. So that we don't break everything, I think we want the "birthname" field to be renamed "fullname", and then a bot goes and changes "birthname" to "fullname" in all articles which use this template.

Of course we could just leave it alone. But I find myself continually reverting editors who put "birth_name = Garry Kimovich Weinstein" at the Garry Kasparov article. I guess we can live with that. But I think the RIGHT thing to do, is to fix it like I've described above. Adpete (talk) 06:06, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I believe I have a solution ...

First, I agree w/ you, the cleanest plan is what you described. (But for me, I don't know how to operate a bot, I wish I did, I'd love to learn if someone would guide me! Also, it raises an interesting Q to me: was the original intent for "birth_name" to mean full name? [In otherwords, the full name of whatever current name is used in the article, as opposed to "name given at birth" if different from the current name?] I'm guessing yes -- that "name given at birth" was never intended, and that it was an unfortunate misreading that has occurred after that, to cause the current issue.)

Second, I tested the following out in sandbox, and I think it is a good plan, if running the bot isn't practical ...

I can add "full_name" to the template, such that if it's specified when calling the template, it overrides either "birth_name" or "birthname". (So, whatever comes after "full_name =" will appear after Full name in the Infobox, and any value for "birth_name" or "birthname" will be ignored.) And if "full_name =" is not specified, then it would be the same as today, where value for "birth_name" or "birthname" shows after Full name in the Infobox.)

What do you think? Ihardlythinkso (talk) 16:11, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I probably made the change sound more complex than it is ... It'd simply add a synonym parm ("full_name") to the two already there ("birth_name", "birthname"), taking precedence when specified. Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 23:51, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in answering. I wasn't confused, I just couldn't make up my mind if I liked the idea, plus my attention got diverted. The plus is that it's easy. The minus is that we've still got 1000+ articles which use "birth_name". But since there's absolutely no harm in doing it (either way we've got to run the bot if we want to fix the birth_name entries), I'm happy for you or anyone else to do it. Adpete (talk) 00:20, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok, done. And I tried it out at Garry Kasparov (please inspect).

Even though sometimes editors have supplied the real birth name to 'birth_name=' parm, as you mentioned in most cases that parm is supplied with the real full name, and as mentioned, it isn't known by me whether or not the real birth name info was ever intended or wanted. (If it was/is, then, for those articles where 'birth_name=' info is the real birth name, that could be displayed at this point too without a mix-up, by adding a new parm, e.g. 'birth_name_new=', and moving the info on per-article basis from 'birth_name' to the new parm, and display it as Birth name when the new parm is specified. But as mentioned I don't know if that was ever intended or is wanted.)

Until then I'll hold off updating either the template doc or putting a note at Talk:ProjChess. Ok, let me know what you think. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 17:51, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Signature

Signature, alt, caption fields needed! You can leave me a message in my talk page after replying! (personal reference, in case if I forget where I need this: Koneru Humpy) --Tito Dutta ✉ 21:51, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Unsupported parms

Why are there parms in the doc (e.g. "ranking=") that are not supported by the template code? (Is there a backstory on that?) Thx. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Historic ratings

Should we use historic estimates of a player's rating or world ranking (e.g. chessmetrics, Arpad Elo's book) in the infobox? MaxBrowne (talk) 12:01, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Influence network

Chess players are people too. Anyway, an object oriented design is that we should have every field in Infobox_person in this template. I have added influences and influenced for how.--Knockatock (talk) 15:19, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

What purpose does it serve? Toccata quarta (talk) 15:22, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

The same purpose as the corresponding two fields in Template|Infobox_person, whatever *that* is. Ugh!--76.220.18.223 (talk) 15:39, 7 April 2013 (UTC)