User talk:ColonelHenry

AVAs & Logos

I decided to follow the borders of the AVAs to determine which wineries are in which AVAs. I updated Warren Hills AVA to show that it has 5 wineries, and to list its borders. Outer Coastal Plain AVA already listed its borders, so I updated it to show that it has 27 wineries. The Central Delaware Valley AVA has 2 New Jersey wineries.

I decided to added logos to the infobox for the wineries that have one.

I also found out about another winery organization, Vintage North Jersey, which is a subsidiary of GSWGA, and 9 wineries are members. DavidinNJ (talk) 03:52, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Here's the [site http://itouchmap.com/latlong.html] where I get the coordinates. I like the idea of linking "plenary wine license" since that's a technical term. DavidinNJ (talk) 15:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

I saw the new NJ winery articles that you wrote. Looks good. We got a number of new edits on alcohol laws of New Jersey. DavidinNJ.

• Thanks. Took me a few days with all the craziness this week. Out of curiosity, do you have stats for Old York, Mount Salem and Four Sisters? If you email me privately offsite, I'll explain my reasons for that curiosity.--ColonelHenry (talk) 21:19, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

• Here are the stats. According to the Jackson book, Four Sisters makes 4200 cases per year, 60% of which is grown elsewhere. Jackson doesn't list Old York's production, but says that they are buying most of their grapes because of a massive grapevine loss in 2009. Mount Salem is not in the Jackson book, but a Hunterdon County Democrat newspaper article gives a good description of them. The article doesn't list cases, but says they grow 6.5 acres of grapes. Surprisingly, I cannot find a website for Mount Salem, but there's been a few recent articles on them, so I know that they are in business. DavidinNJ (talk) 23:53, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Lifting the Gibraltar DYK restrictions

A couple of months ago, you opposed a proposal to lift the restrictions on Gibraltar-related DYKs, which were imposed in September 2012. Could you possibly clarify (1) under what conditions you would support a lifting of the restrictions, and (2) when you think it would be appropriate to lift the restrictions? Prioryman (talk) 20:13, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

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Alcohol laws of New Jersey FAC

I'm a little preoccupied in the real world at the moment. I will try to look at this when I get time (I'm printing a copy out now).

Looking over the FAC, I actually sort of agree on principle with Kafziel that it should have a picture of a liquor store interior but ... I can't think of anything peculiar about NJ liquor law that would be illustrated by such a photo. Perhaps a photo of the beverage coolers at a convenience store, to show that they don't have beer (NJ being about the only non-liquor control state I know of that forbids beer sales at convenience stores).

I also seem to recall that, in the past, the liquor sections of supermarkets had to be separately secured and the liquor purchase rung up there, not at the main registers, but it seems from the last times I went to an NJ supermarket to get wine that this was no longer the case. That would have made a good picture. Daniel Case (talk) 21:17, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

BTW, yes I am still up for the river. Daniel Case (talk) 05:50, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I see you got it to FAC. Bravo!

However, I have been going through it and I would still feel obligated to do some copy editing, if it's OK with you. Daniel Case (talk) 00:45, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Main Page Petition

I was extremely pleased to see our article was promoted to feature article status. Once the bot formally designates the article as FA, the next step is to petition to have alcohol laws of New Jersey appear on the main page for a 24-hour period. Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests explains how the process works. The petition requires the creation of a 1200-character (including spaces) blurb, the selection on an appropriate image, assessment of priority points, and the possible the selection of a date that we want. I prepared I preliminary blurb and assessment that I want you to review. DavidinNJ (talk) 03:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• #1 It was definitely a good feeling finally seeing it promoted. I've been waiting to see the star on article's top right corner. Looking at the W:TFA/R page, it might be best if we propose it for a nonspecific date. Looking at the blurb, it looks good as with the points tabulation.--ColonelHenry (talk) 04:19, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• I agree. I think that your stategy of asking a handful of people to review the article was a very good idea. It got us the support that we needed. I agree that a non-specific date is better. If we pick a specific date, we may be bumped by a person or event connected to that date. DavidinNJ (talk) 04:23, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• #2 We learned tricks for our next project we bring to FAC. What should that next project be? I'm still waiting for the FAC on Duino Elegies, and List of wineries, breweries, and distilleries in New Jersey would make a great featured list (in that area, I've been working on List of colonial governors of New Jersey). On an aside, I was a main contributor to another FA, under a different username, back in 2006/2007. Under this one, this would be my first.--ColonelHenry (talk) 04:29, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm thinking that we should go for the feature list - List of wineries, breweries, and distilleries in New Jersey. There's a lot a preliminary work in creating the linked winery and brewery articles, but the list itself is largely done. I want to expand the tables for breweries and distillies like I did for the wineries, and I want to clean up the references (i.e., use one reference style). I did another public record request to the state to find out licensing info about 4 wineries, 1 brewery, and 2 distilleries that aren't listed on the original chart that I received from them. DavidinNJ (talk) 04:45, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Alcohol laws of New Jersey

The state laws governing the control of alcohol beverages in New Jersey are unique; they are among of the most complex in the United States and contain many peculiarities not found in other states. New Jersey law grants individual municipalities substantial discretion in creating ordinances that regulate the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages. A small percentage of municipalities in the state are "dry towns" that do not allow alcoholic beverages to be sold. Other towns permit alcohol sales 24 hours a day. New Jersey history of taverns and alcohol production dates to its early colonial period. A local distillery owner was asked by George Washington for his recipe for "cyder spirits." With the rise of the temperance movement, New Jersey's alcohol industry suffered; many breweries, wineries and distilleries either closed or relocated to other states. The legacy of Prohibition restricted and prevented the industry's recovery until the state legislature began loosening restrictions starting in 1981. New Jersey's alcohol industry is experiencing a renaissance, and recently enacted laws provide new opportunities for the state's wineries and breweries. (Full article...)

3 points (New feature article contributors, no similiar article within 6 months). Neither ColonelHenry nor I has ever before been a significant contributor to a feature article. No article from the alcohol law series has ever been featured before.

Gold Star

Alcohol laws of New Jersey received its gold star, and I posted our main page request. Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests. DavidinNJ (talk) 12:48, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

• Just as you were posting it, I was thinking about posting. You beat me to the punch. ;-) --ColonelHenry (talk) 13:03, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Our article has been selected. On April 24th, alcohol laws of New Jersey will be on the main page. Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 2013 DavidinNJ (talk) 18:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Alcohol laws of New Jersey

This is a note to let the main editors of Alcohol laws of New Jersey know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on April 24, 2013. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director Raul654 (talk · contribs) or one of his delegates (Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), Gimmetoo (talk · contribs), and Bencherlite (talk · contribs)), or start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 24, 2013. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

The state laws governing the control of alcohol beverages in New Jersey are unique; they are among of the most complex in the United States and contain many peculiarities not found in other states. New Jersey law grants individual municipalities substantial discretion in creating ordinances that regulate the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages. A small percentage of municipalities in the state are "dry towns" that do not allow alcoholic beverages to be sold. Other towns permit alcohol sales 24 hours a day. New Jersey history of taverns and alcohol production dates to its early colonial period. A local distillery owner was asked by George Washington for his recipe for "cyder spirits." With the rise of the temperance movement, New Jersey's alcohol industry suffered; many breweries, wineries and distilleries either closed or relocated to other states. The legacy of Prohibition restricted and prevented the industry's recovery until the state legislature began loosening restrictions starting in 1981. New Jersey's alcohol industry is experiencing a renaissance, and recently enacted laws provide new opportunities for the state's wineries and breweries. (Full article...)

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The Final Twelve

I've been kind of busy, but I spent some time this week creating more winery articles, and adding a statment about the Judgment of Princeton to the New Jersey wineries that participated. We have articles on 34 NJ wineries. There are 12 wineries left. How do you feel about splitting them? I'll do Jessie Creek, Monroeville, Mount Salem, Old York, Peppadew, and Southwind. That leaves DiBella, Four JGs, Hawk Haven, Hopewell, Laurita, and Natali. Those six are all in the Jackson book, all members of GSWGA, and their stats are at list of wineries, breweries, and distilleries in New Jersey. Here's some additional info on the six. DavidinNJ (talk) 14:22, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

DiBella - key people = Will and Julie DiBella; in OCP, but not in OCP viticultural association

Four JGs - key people = John & Janet Giunco, John Giunco Jr., Jill Giunco, not in an AVA, but interestingly a member of the OCPVA, took part in the Judgment of Princeton.

Hawk Haven - key people = Todd & Kenna Wuerker. In OCP and OCPVA.

Hopewell - key people = Sergio & Violetta Neri. Not in an AVA.

Laurita - key people = Randy Johnson, Ray Shea, Nicolaas Opdam. In OCP and OCPVA.

Natali - key people = Al Natali, Ray Pensari, Tony Antonelli. In OCP and OCPVA. They back onto the Delaware Bay, and are famed for their beach plum wine, which they are only producer in the state

Peer review

Hi, could you please take a look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Ned Lamont/archive1, I'm trying to improve it but nobody has commented on it. Grammarxxx ^{(What'd I do this time?)} 23:15, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Other wineries

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I did a review of potential new wineries, breweries, distilleries, and cider mills at Talk:List of wineries, breweries, and distilleries in New Jersey. I included the list of TTB-licensed wineries that you gave me, upcoming breweries listed on the New Jersey Craft Beer website, and other establishments that are listed online. DavidinNJ (talk) 01:00, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

J. Leon Altemose

Please discuss the issue on the article's talk page or take it to AfD. - SummerPhD (talk) 01:17, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hard Cider Lunacy

I did some research on New Jersey's regulations on hard cider, which are both fascinating and bizarre. I'm not going to update alcohol laws of New Jersey until after April 24th, but you may find this interesting. Per N.J.S.A. 33:1-1, cider or any other item containing more than 0.5% alcohol by volume is an alcoholic beverage. New Jersey statutes don't define cider, but N.J.A.C. 18:3-1.2 defines it as an "beverage made from the alcoholic fermentation of the juice of apples", and says that cider is wine if it has 3.2% or more alcohol. N.J.A.C 18:3-2.1 states that cider with 3.2 - 7.0% alcohol is taxed at 12 cents per gallon, which is the beer taxation rate. Over 7.0%, and it's gets the wine taxation rate - 70 cents per gallon. It's not explicitly stated but cider with under 3.2% alcohol is untaxed.

New Jersey brewery licenses allow for the product of "malt alcoholic beverages," which is not defined anywhere in state statutes or administrative regulations. However, the common definition of malt is germinated cereal grains, so a New Jersey brewery cannot produce hard cider. A plenary wine licensee is permitted to "produce any fermented wines, and to blend, fortify and treat wines," and a farm winery licensee is authorized to "manufacture any fermented wines and fruit juices." This would permit the production of hard cider, though arguably a plenary winery could only produce ciders with alcohol content above 3.2%. The implications of cider's definition impact several other parts of New Jersey's alcohol laws. A business with a state beverage distributor's license or a limited retail distribution license is only supposed to handle malt alcohol beverages, but hard cider is common distributed and sold with beer. Because it's wine, you could create an instructional cidermaking school, and you could ship it to people's houses. DavidinNJ (talk) 03:45, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Westfall & Proof-Gallons

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ABC License Update

I received an update from the NJ ABC regarding 7 businesses that whose license we were uncertain about because they weren't listed on the original ABC document - New Jersey ABC license update Laird has a rectifier and blender license, whereas Jersey Artisan has a plenary distillery license. Cava, Southwind, and Old York have plenary winery licenses, whereas Willow Creek has the farm winery license. Turtle Stone has a limited brewery license. The file also shows what these licenses actually look like. DavidinNJ (talk) 20:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

• One of Laird's soon-to-be competitors told me that Laird's traded their plenary license for an R&B when they moved their distillery operations to VA. The license isn't like the old ones...My grandfather had in his collection a tavern license given to one of my ancestors in the 1760s in Sussex County (which I've been trying to find in my storage unit to take a photo for Alcohol laws of New Jersey), and it was far more ornate on vellum with red-wax seals.--ColonelHenry (talk) 22:44, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

• Modern licenses and documents tend to be very utilitarian looking - not charming. My great-grandfather had a tavern in Middlesex County, but I never saw the license. We now have articles on all 46 wineries. I'm still adding more info to some of them, but there is a basic article on every winery in the state. DavidinNJ (talk) 00:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

• Do you think we got rid of SummerPhD? (she has a link to your contributions on her user page listed as "non-notable wineries"...i think that's rather uncivil). I tagged some of her non-notable articles just to be a dick. Her nonsense this week kept me from writing the distillery articles this weekend. I'll have time after Friday I think, although I'm off to Vegas next week. --ColonelHenry (talk) 00:44, 17 April 2013 (UTC)