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Spanish wiki

Hi! I have retired the picture of Paul Harris from the Rotary International article on the spanish wiki because it's a copyright violation as you will see in commons descriptions. Same reason was given at the english wiki to retire the image. If you need something more, please let me your message in my spanish page. Thanks. Airunp

My deep doubts on Rotary International

If you noticed my (negative.. just some balancing of all that propaganda) contributions for Rotary International (in most languages), hereunder (in French) my doubts on R.I. actions. It is an answer to "Enguerrand44" who claimed against my anti-Rotary propaganda (on the discussion page) by the fact that I added in first position Honorary Rotarians who were, according to international laws, criminals. - Augusto Pinochet, see Plan Condor - George Bush, see Crime againt Peace and also Abu Ghraib - General Mac Arthur see Unit 731 - Lindbergh, see his bio on Wikipedia and specially his antisemitism - Suleiman Frangieh, see his bio on the Lebanon civil war

Cher Monsieur,

l'émotion sans doute m'a étranglé quand j'ai lu QUI était Suleiman Frangieh. Lisez Wiki... Par ailleurs, vous avez parfaitement raison de souligner que les s... sont des membres honoraires, mais j'ai parfaitement raison de m'indigner. Je vous invite à relire dans les statuts Rotary la définition du membre honoraire et vous comprendrez que je sois archi-choqué ....que de tels s.. aient été nommés membres honoraires.

Avez-vous lu (sur Wikipedia ;-) ce qu'a FAIT Lindbergh (mis à part sa promenade en aéroplane) ? Des actes antisémites. Ce qu'a lancé Frangieh dans ce Liban paradisiaque d'autrefois ? Le communautarisme et sa fille, la guerre civile..

Par ailleurs je vous invite à trouver la chanson italienne 'Rotary Club of Malindi' A mon avis, cela devrait vous faire réfléchir sur la perception du Rotary en Afrique.

Concernant Mac Arthur, je vous conseille de rechercher de l'information sur l'Unité 731 de l'Armée japonaise, sur ses crimes, sur l'utilisation de ses résultats et sur leur mise en cause devant les tribunaux de criminels de guerre à Tokyo. Etrange membre honoraire...

Enfin, ne trouvez-vous pas étrange que Paul Harris ait été en Allemange en 1932, mais que lorsqu'on regarde ses bios Rotary, on trouve des tas d'actions entre 1905 et 1932, et puis à peu près plus rien jusqu'en 1947 ? Etrange, étrange. Saviez-vous que Henri Ford avait été décoré par les nazis ? Que ses camions... Saviez-vous que d'aucuns liens Rotary font remonter les ancêtres de Paul Harris aux passagers de la Mayflower, et QU'UN TEL LIEN A UNE SIGNIFICATION SPECIALE DANS LE MONDE ANGLO-SAXON ?

Si vous êtes au Rotary, une question : vous trouvez qu'il y a beaucoup de Noirs au Rotary ? Le Rotary se paonne de son action en Floride sur les effets du cyclone Katrina. La Floride est majoritairement peuplée de Noirs, qui, EVIDEMMENT, ont été les plus durement touchés du fait de l'absence de services publics en Floride (- qui est Gouverneur de Floride? -) . Si vous êtes au Rotary, vous pouvez me dire quel est le pourcentage de Noirs membres du Rotary de Floride ?

Vous savez que le Rotary est peuplé de chevaliers d'industrie. Comment s'étonner qu'ils nomment Pinochet ou Lindbergh ? Je vais vous donner une clé de ma répulsion envers le Rotary : le camp de concentration nazi est l'usine parfaite, où l'ouvrier sert de main-d'oeuvre esclave et aussi in fine de matière première. A partir de 1933, en Allemagne, les arrestations de Juifs et d'opposants se font DANS LA RUE. Vous pouvez m'expliquer ce que négocie le Rotary allemand, de 1933 à 1937, avec le NSDAP de Hitler ? Vous ne pensez pas que cette histoire-là du Rotary a été réécrite ? Mais que faisait Paul Harris après 1933 ? Vous avez des documents, non, à la suite de cette fameuse "boum" du Rotary Centennial en 2005 ? Ah bon, on ne trouve rien ?

Ces doutes à relier éventuellement à ce qui se passe actuellement en Chine (dons d'organes suite aux exécutions d'ouvriers criminalisés), en Chine où s'implante le Rotary. Pourquoi pas ? Le Rotary "ne fait pas de politique"... mon oeil. Ne rien dire, c'est en faire !

A ce point de mon développement, je vais vous donner ma définition d'un s.. Un s.. est quelqu'un qui, devant un problème collectif, sait parfaitement quelle solution y apporter, qu'il peut parfaitement le faire, qu'il doit moralement le faire, mais qu'il ne fera pas PAR INTERET PERSONNEL.

Voilà pourquoi, à mon sens, le Rotary ne donne pas les moyens d'indépendance dans les pays où s'exerce sa pseudo-générosité. Vous connaissez le proverbe

si tu veux sauver un homme de la faim, ne lui donne pas un poisson,

apprends-lui à pêcher. Je ne crois pas que nos bonshommes, par exemple, aident à une industrie pharmaceutique indépendante en Afrique. A des sociétés de tourisme ou d'hôtellerie locales en Thaïlande.

Pour ma part, je ne m'étonne pas un instant que le Rotary accueille des conférenciers qui lui parlent jusquà plus soif de privatisation, d'enseignement privé et compétitif, de libre entreprise, de baisse des impôts. Témoin : le député Lellouche, les députés dits 'libéraux' (lisez conservateurs) en Belgique. Ce qui est affreux, c'est que Pierre Lellouche ne sait pas que Wernher Von Braun, ancien nazi, a lui-même donné des conférences pour le Rotary. Ou que Ron Hubbard, ouioui, LE Ron Hubbard devant le Rotary de la Rhodésie raciste. Ca ne s'invente pas. Mais ça, c'était juste pour alléger un peu l'ambiance. Ron Hubbard devant le Rhotary Rhaciste de Rodésie ! Surréalisme !

Je vous donne donc un conseil humain : tout sociologue en chambre vous dira qu'une organisation a des effets différents de la volonté de chacun de ses membres. Si vous aimez vos amis, si vous aimez vos contemporains, si vous vous aimez vous-même, ne restez pas au Rotary  !!

Le réseau Ashoka ne doit pas valoir beaucoup mieux, le terme "mission" qu'ils enploient à longueur de littérature révèle à mon sens une mentalité de supériorité.

En conclusion, encore une fois, on peut espérer le développement d'un réel mouvement philanthropique humain, indépendant des "vues de l'esprit", ou des "théismes" (théisme communiste, Rotariste, bibliste, bouddhiste, etc ), un mouvement opératif et spéculatif, structuré, non-violent, qui permette à tout un chacun de contribuer à la solution des grands problemes de société du monde, accompagnant l'esprit républicain, et son outil le service public financé par l'impôt sur le revenu, sans avoir à se référer à un réseau de notables ou à un "grand Autre" ("libre entreprise", "guerre contre le terrorisme", "mission", "extension de la culture occidentale") qui justifie tous les abus.

pierre.larcin@ifrance.com

J'espère avoir répondu complètement à votre question. Bonne réflexion, amicalement, Pierre Larcin, France. 84.102.229.74 25 février 2006 à 22:40 (CET)

== Famous members == (- H for Honorary - A for Active)

This is pretty. Well done. I prefer the style of the table at the bottom. To me it seems simpler and cleaner. I disagree with putting "see also" columns, since I think it allows for author bias. Putting tables like this on the Rotary page will certainly make it more visually appealing, and easier to digest the information. The word quality is the wrong word to use, I have changed it to fame Frade 23:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

The first I heard of Rogernomics was when you mention it. I guess it is before my time. In any case, it is from New Zealand, not Australia. Here in Australia unionism has declined significantly in recent years, in part because the need for union representation is no longer as necessary as it was in the past, and also partly due to union opposition to a number of popular policies from the current government. Personally, I think membership may rise in coming years due to a number of recent workplace changes made by the current government. I am not a member of Rotary, and I never plan on being a member. My interest with Rotary is that I have received scholarhips from Rotary for a few projects when I was a teenager, and I currently work with some projects which have Rotary support. My interest with the Rotary wiki article is to ensure that its main roles are highlighted (eg local community roles providing school equipment, drug rehabilitation centres, childrens playgrounds, scholarships and student exchanges, etc), and that there is separation between discussion of Rotary and discussion of external topics (conservativism, etc). My interest was first sparked when I read large sections of text on the talk page condemning Rotary because of conservative tendancies in the membership, as well as lots of writing on that page attempting to link Rotary with a number of blackspots in recent human history. I felt these were unjustified, and possibility innapropriate, for an encyclopaedia.Frade 08:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Good Morning (CET ;-)) ! What you said here is VERY interesting. I need to prepare an answer, because there are different senses on, for example, "community" following your origin (culture) and political analysis (left or right) and I think that I need to understand your (english culture) meanings. There is a least one interesting Rotary program that would interest you also, I think. I suppose you speak of unionism as I am a worker union animator. For the criticism, you should have some lectures on sociology, and sociology of organisations, you would document yourself on the (fact...) problem that an organisation acquires a target which is different than the original target of the original founders of that organisation (so became workers unions...). The most important (for me is this) : the text I made with Rotary criticism was (a bit) wrapped, changed due to multiple interventions. In the original version (I think it is still on the Spanish wiki) my conclusion was like: "if this movement lies due to (christian-theis) visions of the world, we just have to hope for the apparition of another movement, more tolerant, founded without violence, better than a world whose flower is Rotary".

After all, Rotary is 100 years old, a good time to die ;-). Check also the ashoka.org

Have a good day. Today in France, 1,5 million of persons in the streets to strike against work and life precarity-flexibility organised by a new legislation for "kleenex-work-contract" named CPE. As liberals say we workers have to adapt to their needs. Be sure that Rotary is NOT supporting the contest. PierreLarcin2 04:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I heard about what's happening in with the protests. The Australian government has also recently introduced new legislation to make it easier for smaller/medium businesses to fire employees without any reason. It became active two days ago. There has been lots of opposition to it from union and welfare groups, but there have been no major demostrations yet. I heard on the news this morning that a company has already tried to sack 25 staff for no reason, and then re-employ them on lower conditions. But the new law does not allow for this type of crooked action, so the company had to reverse their action.

There seems to be very different expectations of "worker's rights" between Australia and France. Historically, Australians are hard workers who do not complain about conditions, so there is much less "demands" of worker's rights than in some other cultures. This is good and bad, depending on the point of view. But, speaking generally, worker's here do not feel the need for unionisation and social action as strongly as perhaps in France.

It seems to me that the new legislation is more important than simply the needs of business. Globalisation means that entire societies must adapt if their country is to remain competitive. New EU countries such as Slovenia are very good at changing (mostly because they have a very small population and very small industry), and this will give them an advantage in coming years. Australia, also, is relatively flexible due to low population density and high level of service businesses. But this capacity for change is neither good nor bad, because it depends on the values of the society. Here we embrace change, and new ways of doing things. This is demonstrated in our very quick adoption of new technologies, whereas most other countries (including the USA), are much slower at adopting new techniques and technologies. But, like I said, this is simply a reflection of our cultural values and expectations.

I have been away for some time due to work and business commitments, but hopefully, like you, will be able to contribute more shortly.Frade 04:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Member	Rotary			see also Wikipedia topics
	Member	Fame	Country
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Living politic figures
George W. Bush	H	President	United States	Neoconservatism	Iraq War	Abu Ghraib Dick_Cheney
Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden	H	King	Sweden	Guadeloupe_Fund	Helena_Paparizou	Swedish_Armed_Forces
Augusto Pinochet	H	ex-President	Chile	His wiki	Plan Condor	Valech_Report
Margaret Thatcher	H	ex-Prime Minister	United Kingdom	Her wiki	Thatcherism	Falklands_War
Tom DeLay	A	US Representative	United States	His wiki	House Ethics	Jack Abramoff Tazmamart
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Dead politic figures
Albert I of Belgium	H	King	Belgium
Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands	H	vice-King	Netherlands	His wiki
King Hassan II of Morocco	H	vice-King	Morocco	Tazmamart	"Years of Lead"	Western Sahara
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Dead Adventurers & Scientists
Charles Lindberg	H	First Trans-Atlantic pilot	United States	His wiki	Antisemitism

Living Scientists (land)	Active/Honorary	See also
Duitstalige Gemeenschap (België)	PJU-PDB
Friesland (Nederland)	Fryske Nasjonale Partij (FNP)
Emilia-Romagna (Italië)	Alleanza Libera Emiliana/ Libertà Emiliana (ALE/LA)
Galicië (Spanje)	Bloque Nacionalista Galego (BNG)
Aragón (Spanje)	Chunta Aragonesista
De Slovenen in Karinthië (Oostenrijk)	Enotna Lista

Image of Rotary Banners

Bonjour Pierre, Je crois que le photo des "banners" Rotarian n'a pas un probleme de copyright, parce que ces "banners" sont en vue dans une espace publique. C'est comme un photo d'un machine a dispenser Coca-Cola, etc. Avec tous mes regards, Daderot 21:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello Pierre, I think that the photo of Rotarian banners does not have any copyright problems, because the banners were displayed in a public space. In short, it is like uploading a photograph of a vending machine for Coca-Cola. With all best wishes, Daderot 21:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC) (and please excuse my highschool French! very bad!)

Rotary Article: explanation for how to use a link

I am totally confused. As of the current time, I have not edited anything on the Rotary page. If you are referring to the comments on the edits, I'm afraid they are not my edits and they are not my comments. I'm just here asking about these odd directions. Personally, I think they're irrelevant. What other Wikipedia articles have such a explanation for how to use a link? I've never seen one, but I've seen many similar lists. My question is, "Why this article? Why Rotary?"

all explanations are on the discussion page for Rotary. Are you Rotarian Jjinfoothills ?

Because since I am editing Rotary I have to face a lot of Rotarian attacks : 'Wikipedia fiddling' as they did for Dianne Feinstein, US senator PierreLarcin2 21:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, could you leave the controversial link stuff on the Rotary International page alone for a bit. I'm going to make a comment on the Village Pump to get a wider range of opinions. Currently the majority on the talk page of Rotary International seem to not want the explanations on links added so we should respect their view for a little while until a clearer decision can be made. Thanks. -- 127.*.*.1 22:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I should point out that I'm not asking you to stop editing the Rotary page, just to leave the contentious issue over explanations of links alone until a decision can be made. Thanks. -- 127.*.*.1 22:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello, would you be so kind to give me the link of the discussion you opened. The Village Pump is too complex and big. I cannot SEE all. I propose you another solution. For the moment we NEED to see at least some example of the link, so I replace the header. I cannot locate myself on the page alone without it.

I reverted your blanks. I had too many censure from Rotarians to allow what you do. Again today, a person came and removed even the "Folklorical" critics (as Hamas), despite the pages made by Rotary itself onto it.

1/ as I am blind almost, I propose you another solution. For the moment we NEED to see at least some example of the link. So you stop reverting and we open the discussion, but you give me the exact link in the Village Pump. What you gave me is the general URL, and the Village Pump is too complex for my reader and even for a person who helps me. 2/ As I said you, the structure I did (with a header) does not give a problem at all in the French Wiki since monthes I propose that YOU let it like that (stop reverting) and THEN open a discussion, as PERSONNALLY I CANNOT SEE ALL the examples in the list, as I am disabled myself. The majority is not an argument, as in other langages it is not a problem, and as Rotary club as 4 millions of members, which are perfectly active as you may remark. Thank you. 84.100.98.189 02:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I was in a rush yesterday to get off of the computer and I completely forgot to post a link for you. The request I made on the Village Pump yesterday was for assitance to end the edit war. The link is here (the message is at the bottom of the page): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28assistance%29. I will post a question on accomodations for the blind later and will give you the link. Sorry again. If the above makes no sense, forgive me, I'm still half asleep. Peace. -- 127.*.*.1 12:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, this I'll add, I'll stop reverting until a decision is made but I can not guarantee that the other editors will stop. There are 2 or 3 others who revert your edits asides from me. I have only reverted twice in the long history of that page. Peace. -- 127.*.*.1 12:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I have made a post on the Technical section of the Village Pump. Since you seem to have left already, I'll keep a copy of all responses so you can read when you return. The link is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Accommodations_for_the_blind. Good luck. -- 127.*.*.1 16:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

There is also a discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29#Accessibility_for_blind_users which has yielded more fruitful results. I would suggest that you peruse that discussion as it contains information that can be useful for you in your future endeavours on Wikipedia. Peace. -- 127.*.*.1 21:46, 27 May 2006 (UTC)