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I do believe that Jim Carrey is from Barrie, Ontario. --coldacid 14:46, 2004 May 3 (UTC)

 Never me mind. --coldacid 14:47, 2004 May 3 (UTC)

Jim Carrey is from Newmarket.

Well yes he may not have been born in Scarborugh but most of his youth was spent here. I was taught by teachers who had taught him before he dropped out of school in grade 10. His family was going through hard times and i believed they lived in a trailer.

Scarborough in the news

I'm not sure that this new section doesn't break the rule about information becoming dated too quickly. I agree that the Guantánamo detentions are news now, but what will they be a few years from now? Perhaps this information belongs in another article. ———Kelisi 2005/2/10

Demographics

What percentage of Scarborough residents are white, and what percentage are visible minorities? The article tells us what percentage of the minority population is Chinese, black, etc., but when it doesn't tell us how many minorities there actually are, those percentages aren't very helpful. Funnyhat 04:48, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm concerned about the number of significant digits in the demgraphics information, as well as the number, since it doesn't matched the linked census. As well, Wikipedians are notorious for failing to realise that although First Nations aren't white, they're also not visible minorities in Canada, so (Population) - (Visible Minorities) gives a number which is actually greater than the number of white people (The 2001 census has First Nations at 0.4%, but when we claim that Scarborough is 54.52% non-white, the 0.4% is then important. WilyD 13:56, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Where is this 2005 Census?

The last one I found from StatsCan is 2001. — Flag of Scarborough, ON, Canada UTSRelativity (Talk) 03:52, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I believe because Scarborough has been amalgomated with Toronto, it no longer is a CDA/CMA. Just my guess --BCKILLa 08:51, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually there isn't going to be a census 2005, the census is taken every 5 years, so 2006 is the next one. --BCKILLa 08:58, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Scarboroughites?

I am not sure of the correct appellation for people from Scarborough. I have only referred to them as Scarberians but that doesn't seem right. Scarbotians? Scarboroughans? Scarbians? What's the right term (or is there one)... Atrian 19:08, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They're universally refered to as Scarberians, so I can't imagine anything else is "correct". WilyD 13:57, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, Scarberians is the only one I have ever heard of until someone made some up on Wikipedia. Flag of Scarborough, ON, Canada UTSRelativity (Talk) 03:17, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely right. But Scarberian is like Newfie -- somewhat pejorative. Atrian has a point; back in the day when Scarborough was its own city, there must have been a name for a resident of Scarborough, that at the very least some of the municipal politicians used, even if it was not commonly known outside Scarbrough (and possibly inside Scarborough). Skeezix1000 12:32, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so no one has ever heard any other term used? And some of us (at least me) are Scarberians? We all seem to accept the term as universal, so I'll suggest we leave it unless we find actual evidence its perjoritive, and that evidence will (presumably) fill us in on the "proper" term. I'll try to survey some other Scarberians (in a non-citable way) to get a handle on it. WilyD 15:39, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I always understood the term (Scarberia) to be a portmanteau of Scarborough and Siberia, and a put-down of Scarborough by downtown Torontonians. Unless I am wrong on that (and someone correct me if I am), then I don't think there is any doubt that the term was originally quite pejorative. I guess the question, as I mentioned below, is whether calling someone a Scarberian remains pejorative. Skeezix1000 16:41, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, after talking to a half dozen Scarberians, not a single one could suggest a term other than "Scarberians" for the natives of Scarborough, and none thought it was offensive. I'm going to stick with the suggestion we use Scaberians unless a citable source can be found suggesting Scarberian is offensive.WilyD 14:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Although I don't doubt the conclusions you reached, as you know it is key to Wikipedia that we rely on citable and verifiable facts, and not on original research. Although helpful, your anecdotal evidence is by no means determinative. Interestingly, the Canadian slang article defines Scarberia as "Scarborough, a suburban part of Toronto, a derogatory reference to its desolation". Having said all that, I wasn't suggesting that we make any change yet; as stated below, I have simply raised the issue in order to allow for a consensus to develop over time. I just think it would be helpful to have the opinions of a number of editors before we settle into using a term that originated as an insult. I don't actually have a real problem with the use of the term -- I just think some thought should be given to the issue. Skeezix1000 15:28, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, and some citable source would be nice - I haven't been able to find one, and seeming no one else has either. It is, of course, entirely possible that Scarberian and Scarberia are unrelated. An unlikely coincidence, but I'm not sure we have any evidence that they are connected, other than it "seems natural". FWIW, my suspicion is that the Canadian slang article greatly overstates the derogitoriness of Scarberia.WilyD 16:39, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed that the topic heading in the article was changed to "Scarberians". I'm a little uncomfortable using that term -- my own view is that it is a derogatory term. But what is the consensus? Is it pejorative? Or is it one of those terms that has been around so long, it has lost its negative connotations (and may even be used with pride)? Or is it one of those words that some consider to be derogatory only when used by a non-member of the group (in this case, by a "non-Scarberian")? I'm neither from nor a resident of Scarborough, so I defer to those with the first hand knowledge. Skeezix1000 12:46, 30 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just read the article on Scarborough in England. There is a similar section entitled "Famous residents and ex-residents". I think something similar could be used here, say "Notable residents and natives" for example. That would be a relatively neutral heading without using the slang term that could be interpreted as an insult or a compliment. --Atrian 02:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am a resident of Scarborough, and I have never considered Scarberian as offensive. If you want a citable source try searching for "Scarberian site:thestar.com" on Google. Unfortunately, you will also find Scarberia in the match. Flag of Scarborough, ON, Canada UTSRelativity (Talk) 19:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scarborough in the News

To user 199.212.26.244 please stop removing the Scarborough in the News section. If you want to remove it, place a discussion item on this page and let the editting community decide whether it is still relevant. Atrian 23:49, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this section should be deleted. While the facts presented may be true, if the person who had researched the information had bothered to do a little more investigation, he would have seen that Scarborough doesn't face any more challenges in terms of drugs or violence than any other parts of Toronto. The Jane and Finch neighbourhood in North York, Ontario has been riddled with drug and violence problems for years, but the details are not provided in that section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_and_Finch Further, there are many positive news worthy things happening in Scarborough that should be presented. Since the Scarborough in the News section is not up-to-date or even close to being complete, it should just be deleted. kmtor, May 3, 2006

I agree that 'Scarborough in the News' should be deleted. If someone wants to start gathering news about different neighbourhoods in Toronto, fine, but it should be consistently applied to all neighbourhoods. Basho 15:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree as well. News sections tend to get dated quickly. Also, none of the other former parts of Toronto such as North York and Etobicoke have News sections. Maybe the section could be rewritten as a Local Issues section. Atrian 15:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nicknames

I changed this paragraph around to limit people adding to it ad nauseum. I don't think it serves anyone's purpose to list whatever nicknames are given regardless of their general use or popularity. Also it gives a bad impression of Scarborough which is on average a quiet bedroom community. If anyone knows of any good nicknames for Scarborough I'd like to hear them. Atrian 00:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure the most common is Scarlem - though when I'm being eloquent, I like to say "The poor man's Mississauga." Seriously, Scarberia and Scarlem are by far the two most popular. WilyD 03:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grow up. I live here and totally resent these nicknames. You don't own it,and you're not going to smear me and my community. Poor man's mississauga eh. Well why don't i go to the Pickering page and start adding that it's schools are known for their race riots. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dscarborough (talk • contribs) .

Hey Dscarborough, this is getting old. You're edits are just obfuscating the true situation in Scarborough. Your rose-tinted viewpoint is not welcome in Wikipedia. --Atrian 13:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True situation? Please. I find your references to Scarlem and Scarlanka incredibly racist and obscene. It is a very bigoted pejorative. If calling North York 'Jewtown' not acceptable, then the same holds true here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.231.55.249 (talk • contribs) .

The current list of nicknames is a lot less than it used to be. It was toned down from the original list. Unfortunately the names exist and obscuring them by deleting the text won't make them disappear. Perhaps you could expand on my comments about why they exist in the first place. --Atrian 22:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How about we just tell it for what it is. A racist name calling based on ignorance. Akin to calling North York Jewville, or Parkdale 'Crackdale' or Leaside 'Whiteside'. All very inappropriate.

People from Scarborough

I am wondering if there should be a new category by this name. This would solve the problem of the Notabl Scarberians list getting out of hand. There is already a category called Category:People_from_Brampton,_Ontario and Category:Torontonians. Why not Category:People from Scarborough? I hesitate to call it Category:Scarberians, some people might object. :) Atrian 14:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there is already Category:Torontonians, then I believe that having a category for Scarberians would be category clutter. I don't think the notable Scarberians list is getting out of control, although it might look tidier in two columns. --Skeezix1000 11:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 :The current list of nicknames is a lot less than it used to be. It was toned down from the original list. Unfortunately the names exist and obscuring them by deleting the text won't make them disappear. Perhaps you could expand on my comments about why they exist in the first place. --[[User:Atrian|Atrian]] 22:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
+How about we just tell it for what it is.  A racist name calling based on ignorance.  Akin to calling North York Jewville, or Parkdale 'Crackdale' or Leaside 'Whiteside'.  All very inappropriate.
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