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Robotito

Thank you. Gracias. ManuelGR 20:39, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Opinion on a situation

As a respected authority, can you investigate this disagreement, and provide your opinion - [User talk:Geogre#Protection of diphallia]]? I merged some verifiable content from a VfD candidate (Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Duopenis) into this existing, but Geogre has taken what I think is an inappropriate action in protecting the page against policy. Thanks. -- Netoholic @ 01:55, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

In reply to message to 220.244.244.10

Hi, just letting you know that 220.244.244.10 is actually a transparent proxy to an australian ISP, (TPG) and blocking it will actually result in several people being banned other than the vandal. Thanks, Lynxtor

I've never left a message for 220.244.244.10. Angela. 03:28, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

Netoholic

I knew that somebody would go running as fast as possible to unblock Netoholic. What would you call repeated deletion of vfd headers from articles under discussion, and repeated deletion of the articles themselves from the VfD page, if not vandalism? What can we do about this guy? He's intentionally trying to destroy VfD. RickK 05:17, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

Misguided. Angela. 05:20, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

Him, or me? If you're talking about him, what can we do about it? RickK 05:34, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

I meant him (as a reply to the "What would you call repeated deletion..."). I don't know what can be done to change someone's POV if they believe they are doing the right thing. A lot of people have trying talking him out of it on the IRC channel but he doesn't seem to get it. Angela. 05:42, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

I don't see what grounds that unblocking was on. The guy is doing vandalism, and has been repeatedly warned by several users. He's even been warned by User:orthogonal! If I, as a not new user, start vandalising pages, I would expect to be blocked. I can't see why the same should not apply in this case, and I can't see any grounds for unblocking. Ambi 07:17, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Logged in users can only be blocked for simple vandalism. In my opinion, the Netoholic issue is more complex than that. However, if you feel I was wrong, feel free to reblock him. I won't unblock again. However, since the block was only for 24 hours, I fail to see how it would make any difference. If he really thinks he is doing the right thing, he'll just continue that in 24 hours from now. Angela. 12:49, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

RickK - Your block of me (like so many of your blocks, so I hear) was completely trivial and directly against policy.

Ang - I'm not sure what I am supposed to do... everyone knows there is a problem with VfD, but noone respects that many entries are placed their in error. Good, improvable articles get VfD'd by a couple people who are pouncing on Special:Newpages. Removing articles which shouldn't be on VfD (and placing them on Cleanup or wherever) is a reasonable action. -- Netoholic @

I agree, but I think that kind of thing is the job of admins (at least at this stage, when it is so controversial). ••gracefool |☺ 12:24, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

According to our policies, admins have no more authority than any other users. They have additional powers, such as the power of deletion, but this kind of job does not require those powers and can be done by anyone working under the authority of the community consensus. anthony (see warning) 13:18, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Just get consensus on what you are doing first. Stop unilaterally doing what you think is best even after people have objected. If you think VfD is broken, don't go to it. Angela. 12:49, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)

I agree with what Angela said. You have to respect the objections of other people. This is especially true when you are in the minority, which you appear to be, and even more especially true when you are in the minority, are not an admin, and have a number of admins in opposition to you, which also appears to be true. It may not be fair, it may not be the best way to run things, but it's a simple fact that this type of behavior in these situations simply won't work. Your only hope, if you truly want to change these types of things, is to engage in discussion.

I'd like to make two other comments. First, I have problems with a number of RickK's blocks, but this particular one is not "directly against policy". I don't think blocking was the right decision, but I have no reason to believe that RickK was doing anything other than acting in his good faith interpretation of Wikipedia policies against vandalism. Second, I'm a big believer in being bold. Had Angela told you to "stop unilaterally doing what you think best" without qualifying it with "even after people have objected" I would have disagreed. But she added that important qualifier. Don't be afraid to make changes that you think are OK and that people aren't going to object to. But once people have objected, you have to try to form consensus before continuing any further. Third (I lied), if you think VfD is broken please do go there and express your opinion in a way which conforms to the standards of that page. If you feel a listing should be on cleanup rather than VfD, express that opinion. anthony (see warning) 13:18, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Request for mediation...

Hi Angela -- Snowspinner has asked if you are willing to mediate a conflict at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation#User:Snowspinner and User:orthogonal. Would you mind letting them know if that is a possibility? Hope all is well, and great work on the newsletter, BTW.

Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 14:21, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Another Request for Mediation

An article I made and have been helping to edit, ACORN, has been shreaded. About two thirds of the article was deleted, and a bogus criticisms section was added. A lot of the work done was good, helpful work, but too much was deleted for no reason. I think there should be a criticisms section, but the criticisms section has both spurious and wrong information. All changes are by one user, Wgfinley (who has made precious few other contributions to wiki recently).

Please take a look at the page and make your own judgement, or refer me to someone else I can ask for help. I no longer think I should act directly in this matter, as I have been doing so for too long. As I've said, some changes are good, some not so good, and I don't know how to sort it out when so much has been deleted.

Thank you for your consideration.

LegCircus 16:49, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)

Vietnamese Constitutional Monarchist League

You have taken my contributions off from Vientamese Monarchist League, It is not copied, Can you show me the link of the statements are found ? that is a biography that I created myself, which is NOT ON A WEBSITE. Also I am expressing what the organization believes in, I can fix the grammer, that is not a problem, I am sorry that English was not first language but I will endure. Asian History is not given a fair chance here, not only Vietnamese, and I have mainly added topics to Southeast Asian and Important Southeast Asian Statesmen.

Furthermore, there is not any one point view or picking sides, if you look at the facts that is presented about Ngo Dinh Diem , rigging the election, press on Ngo Dinh Diem and you will see it stated there and is neutral fact.

Secondly speaking about the Republic of Vietnam it also states that the U.S. government supported them neutral fact.

Thirdly, Ho Chi Minh did take power in 1945 that is neutral fact

TranVanBa 16:49, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

Angela: Now that Mr. Tran has got your attention, could you please take a glance at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Tran Van Ba and in particular at the talk page for that RFC? There is a rather unusual story there and I'm not sure I've posted it in the right forum, but I wanted to make sure an admin took a look. Thanks. ←Hob 07:37, 2004 Sep 13 (UTC)

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Angela, I saw your wiki-beliefs. Therefore could you please help me out in the Hugh Hefner article where I am at my wits end with two users there over how appropriate the user of the word mistress is there?

De-adminship

Hi, Angela: I've decided it's time to call it quits on Wikipedia. Please de-sysop me. (BTW, I am currently changing my username to Sando, but I don't want adminship for that username either.) -Sewing - talk 15:29, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)