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You have placed deletion tag in my article about copyright infringement. I have deleted those text and request for the removal of the tag. Thanks Ashishlohorung (talk) 02:38, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

You will have to talk with User:Jimfbleak, since he did the deletion.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:55, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

removal of csd from John Thompson Platts

Slip of the finger, the speedy template appeared before I had entered the url, but I did put it on the article's talk page. Article is one of about half a dozen cut & paste copyvios created by the editor last night. Another admin has edited out the copyvios on most of these, a task which is beyond my stock of seasonal goodwill,TheLongTone (talk) 09:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I may be in the UK - but I haven't been to a library in years, so I can't see the original anyway. Best left to those who can!  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:57, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Worth getting a library card, if only to use online resources like the DNB & The Times archive. The offending editor is editing the article to remove the copyvio.TheLongTone (talk) 17:45, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

If we had a library - we only get a mobile one (I live in a village), and not when I'm at home. And I never go into Lancaster either, not at a quid an hour parking. :-(  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 02:34, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

GiftedOne(USA)

Why on Earth,do you keep deleting my pages?Even when i start a new page,you delete it,Why?These are my past Pages

• Username: Catwoman125mom
• Username: DonncarchrMH2000
• Username: Marandalaw10
• Username: 2012marandalaw
• Username: GiftedOne(USA)GiftedOne(USA) 18:52, 26 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiftedOne(USA) (talk • contribs)

Obviously a sock, and I see a blocked one to boot.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 02:29, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

F4: File without a source for more than 7 days

I noticed that you just deleted lots of unsourced files on my watchlist. Did you notice that the backlog is greater than indicated at CAT:CSD? That page only lists the first 10 days, and some very old files haven't been deleted (possibly because the deleting admins only checked CAT:CSD). If you are planning to take a look at more unsourced files, please also check the earlier daily categories in Category:Wikipedia files with unknown source. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:02, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that - I had some time to spare before dinner, just managed to do that cat before it was ready. I'll see if I can fit in the others.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:18, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Just Asking Why

I just want to ask why you deleted the page Tagum National Trade School, it was an unfinished page and was deleted without prior notice or enough reason. That school is a pioneering school of the Philippines' K-12 Program, its was actually making a history in the Philippines and would be more informative the Philippines is the only country in Asia with 10 years basic education. That school school is making its name in the country already. Markimatix (talk) 16:51, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

As the deletion log says "Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://tradeanrepublic.tumblr.com/" - you cannot use web content, unless it has been explicitly released to at least CC-BY-SA - See WP:DCM  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 02:28, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

I did not use the web content, it so happened that the site http://tradeanrepublic.tumblr.com/ and the page Tagum National Trade School particularly the Vision, Mission and Goal, have the same sources and it is the School's Handbook. I can scan the handbook for you so you can check that I did not copy any of those from this http://tradeanrepublic.tumblr.com/. Thank you Markimatix (talk) 03:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Here's the link for the K-12 program mentioning Tagum National Trade School: http://kapitolyohs.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/k-to-12-pc-hardware-servicing-learning-module.pdf, http://www.thelearningplace.ph/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/k-to-12-art-curriculum-guide-grade-1.pdf, http://www.edgedavao.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7219:3-schools-to-pilot-k12-senior-high-in-region-11&catid=68:the-big-news&Itemid=94, http://www.scribd.com/doc/90730299/K-to-12-PPt

I hope you will bring/give back the page, I can still do much editing and revision on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markimatix (talk • contribs) 10:23, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

It does not matter where the material comes come - if it's been published anywhere before then it's a copyright violation.

• Links 1 and 2 has no release - not suitable
• Link 3 says "Copyright © 2013 EDGE Davao. All Rights Reserved" - not suitable
• Link 4 says "© Copyright 2013 Scribd Inc." - not suitable.

I doubt if the school handbook will have an explicit copyright release suitable for Wikipedia - you will have to get the school to release that copyright using the procedure at WP:DCM. It would be far easier to completely re-write the page.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 12:50, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Of course the links has copyright issues, many sources/links in wikipedia also has copyright issues, what I am trying to say is the existence of the school and reasons why it should be on the wikipedia, other school like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagum_City_National_High_School is here already. What can I do to make it possible to build the page then? Markimatix (talk) 00:01, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome to use any data - but you cannot use it word for word or even a close paraphrase - It is not permitted, you have to completely re-write the text. There are automated scripts edits to see if they match with existing web text - copyright violations will be found and deleted.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 14:32, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Sir, I cannot do paraphrasing on Vision, Mission and Goal of the school because we are not allowed to do so. It is like encoding here the US National Anthem, of course we cannot rephrase the the anthem because that is how it is written, they are on the same boat. Vision, Mission, and Goal cannot be rephrased. Markimatix (talk) 00:01, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I can rewrite the school's history but Vision, Mission and Goal they're permanent. I find this really hard to explain to you because it seems like you have closed your doors from others opinion and reasons like mine. I am also afraid to build it again for you might just delete it without us defending the page. Markimatix (talk) 00:03, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

It's not my view - it's the policy WP:COPYOTHERS - we cannot use material that is a word for word copy without it being properly released to at least CC-BY-SA. If I don't delete it there's 1000 other admins who will - we all use the same policy. If you want the text exactly as published then there must be a form of explicit release from the person/organisation that wrote that text - it's all explained at WP:DCM. If copyright holder won't give that permission then you cannot ever use it.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 01:25, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Then you all should have deleted it way way before, that page has existed before I edited the "Administration and Principal" section, is this mean that you weren't able to see that page if I didn't edited it? Is this mean that there are lots and lots of pages here in wikipedia where you were not able to delete or even see, which still has copyright issues? You will not able to see it if I didn't edited it. I think it will not be deleted if I didn't edited it and you will not discover it if I didn't edited it. Thank you for explaining anywayMarkimatix (talk) 05:18, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Sir, I have read the recent posts by other user about the page that you deleted and eventually you restored it. I don't know what went wrong in 'ME' when you just deleted Tagum National Trade School and never at least putting a tag 'subject for deletion'. I should have at least knew the reason so I can remove whatever copyrights that has been there. You were generous into others yet not to me. We are on the same grounds, yet you gave chances to some and others like me aren't. Markimatix (talk) 07:15, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I did not tag it. If there is a problem with the initial speedy request, you can take that up with the person who placed the speedy delete tag on the page. From the file history...

• 15:57, 25 December 2013 . . JNW (4,383 bytes) (speedy)

Admins don't have that much spare time to go round looking for problems - there's plenty of them found for us already! There are always pages out there which need deletion, slowly but surely they will be found and removed - it won't happen overnight, but over time it will be completed.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 17:12, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I just looked - the speedy deletion was notified to the article creator as per policy - User_talk:Bebot306  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 17:14, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I've asked Markimatix not to post at my talk page again. The user's capacity for disruption outweighs their contributions. JNW (talk) 17:38, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

OK - As I said above, there was nothing wrong with the G12 Speedy application. He can talk here as much as he wants, but the page will not get restored with copyright violations.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 17:42, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

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Deletion review for Ayaz Samoo

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ayaz Samoo. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. UBS talk 10:26, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

 Done  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:58, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

reported to wp:ani

you are reported to wp:ani for your abusive behavior, abuse of block, and abusive attempt to wp:own pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.208.235 (talk) 19:44, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Oooh, that's nice. not been there for ages...  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:57, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Attwell alice

Hi, yes, I thought it may be a problem, it is an old picture, 1910, copied from my own book, so I thought it would be OK, delete it if not

Regards GeoffSteveandgeoff (talk) 21:59, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Joe Newton (American football)

Can you also delete Joe Newton (football player)?--Yankees10 03:06, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Easy - G8 of WP:CSD - Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 15:15, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Ronhjones!

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	Hello Ronhjones: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 05:46, 1 January 2014 (UTC) Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2014}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Happy new year to you as well. :-)  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 15:16, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Sydney Uni Lions

Ronhjones, I have no idea why you have the ability to remove the Sydney Uni Lions page but can you please put it back up. I do not have the time to seek to unravel the pathetic jargon-babble world that has been created here on Wikipedia but it seems ridiculous that some git in the UK gets to decide whether the information on our site is "promotional" and, therefore, should be deleted. Sure, American football is not a big sport in Australia, but the information on the page was all accurate and informative for those of us down under with an interest in the game. If you were actually remotely competent, it would be the easiest thing to verify the information on the site through the University of Sydney, Sydney Uni Sport & Fitness or Gridiron New South Wales. Or why not make contact with our club, you pompous bastard? We have a website too. You could send us an email. Heard of those? Surely you could be doing something better with your life than removing genuine information from Wikipedia? Is this what you dreamed your life's work would be? I do not know why this has got me so annoyed but the idea that someone so incompetent gets to arbitrarily determine what information is available in the public domain is somehow very galling. Please do not hesitate to message me back if you think you can explain yourself. I know your ability with google and those other tricky search engines must be limited, so just type "www.sydneyunigridiron.com" straight into your search bar to find our website and then send an email to the club. Unlike you, I will at least read what you have to say before taking this further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.19.45 (talk) 17:52, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I did not ask for deletion - See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sydney Uni Lions - I cannot undelete it, without it going for a full deletion review  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 17:58, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Your name is given as the deletion reference. I frankly do not care about the pseudo-protocol issues. If you cannot undelete it without going for a full deletion review, then you will have to go for a full deletion review. Please let me know what information you need to reverse this cock-up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.19.45 (talk) 18:05, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I followed the "deletion review" link. There is no way I can successfully follow that procedure. This is worse than anything Kafka ever envisaged. It is laughable that an institution so worthy has been so corrupted. Hang your head in shame. If you have any sense of fair play, then please initiate the full deletion review procedure. I am happy to provide any information as necessary in plain english. I am not able to jump through the stupendous hoops Wikipedia appears to have deliberately thrown up to protect its information Star Chamber. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.19.45 (talk) 18:19, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Earth to Ronhjones. Earth to Ronhjones. Come in, Ronhjones. Clarifying that you did not ask for deletion was not helpful. Telling me that you cannot undelete the page without it going for a full deletion review was not helpful. Wikipedia creating its deletion review procedure was certainly not helpful. Are you able to help?

Choices...

1. I start a del rev in your name - you need to specify which one of the five choices at WP:DRVPURPOSE applies, and give me a reason to ask for undeletion.
2. The page gets userfied as a sub page draft of an existing user - I see User:Aussiegriff started the page - it can certainly be made a sub page of that user if desired. Note that if that is done, and then moved to article space without enough improvements to quash the arguments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sydney Uni Lions, then it becomes liable for speedy deletion as a page similar to a deleted page. Alternatively one can put the draft through WP:AfC to prevent speedy deletion after improvements.

 Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:59, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Ronhjones, thanks for the choices.

Please start a del rev in my name. Presumably the article was deleted following a deletion discussion (rather than as a result of speedy deletion), in which case the DRVPURPOSE choice which applies would appear to be that the closer of the deletion discussion interpreted the consensus incorrectly or that there was substantial procedural error. Contrary to WP:GNG, the major stakeholders were never notified of the proposed deletion or given time to respond. Paul McDonald wondered in the deletion discussion whether the club was a "club" or a "university club" but failed to work out that the Sydney Uni Lions is the team entered by the Sydney University American Football Club in Division One of Gridiron New South Wales, and that the Sydney University American Football Club is a constituent member of Sydney Uni Sport & Fitness, the body which administers all sporting activities at the University of Sydney. There is no excuse for not having worked this out as this information was set out in the article. Here is a link to the club page on the Sydney Uni Sport & Fitness website (http://www.susf.com.au/page/american_football.html). Sydney Uni Sport & Fitness is the most successful sporting body in Australia. If it was a country, it would have beaten Mexico at the recent London Olympics. The American Football Club was awarded "Club of the Year" by Sydney Uni Sport & Fitness for 2012. That was the fourth time in its 30 year history that it has received the award. The closer of the deletion discussion failed to notify the University of Sydney, Sydney Uni Sport & Fitness or the Sydney University American Football Club of the proposed deletion of the article. Further, the reason given for deleting the article in the discussion - that the topic has not been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources - is erroneous. The topic in the article has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject for over 30 years. I can provide scanned copies of various newspaper articles, if necessary. The information in the article spans the 30 year history of the club, so it is unsurprising that current newspaper articles do not mention some aspects of the topic. Most recently, a report on the Sydney Uni Lions winning the 2013 National Club Championship was published in Roar Magazine (circulation of 50,000). The recent 2013 GNSW championship game won by the Sydney Uni Lions was webcast live and seen all over the world. I would argue that this is significant coverage in a reliable source that was independent of the subject. So reliable that you could verify it with your own eyes. In any event, if the closer of the deletion discussion (whoever that was) needs me to place the evidence of the significant coverage of the Sydney Uni LIons directly into his hands, then I am happy to do so.

I am afraid you have lost me on your second point. I do not understand what "put the draft through WP:AfC means". I can contact "User: AussieGriff" to check that he is happy for the page to be made a sub page draft under his user identification but I am reluctant for the article to be liable for speedy deletion. If your last effort was not speedy deletion, then I would hate to see speedy deletion. Also, in my view the problem is not in the article but in the process followed (or not followed) in the alleged deletion discussion. It seems a misnomer to call what occurred a "discussion". With all due respect, it also seems patently absurd that a constituent club of a major university which has just won a national championship has to justify its existence to a couple of boffins who are trying to read the tea leaves from the other side of the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.19.45 (talk) 01:37, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Deletion Review started for you at Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2014_January_2#Sydney_Uni_Lions  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 02:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for starting the deletion review. I have no idea whether that was the best "choice" to make as I just do not understand the other process (or the deletion review for that matter). I have contacted Aussiegriff and he is happy for the page to get userfied (really, the language down here is appalling). Equally, I am happy to create a user id so it can be "userfied" to my identification. However, my suspicion is that I have passed through the looking glass into a fantasy world where I will just be wasting my time trying to convince the Mad Hatter with my real world logic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.19.45 (talk) 04:53, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

AFC

Hello Ron, is moving the article to WP:AFC an option? Hack (talk) 08:15, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

That (to me) if effectively the same as userfy. When I userfy an article I always add a {{userspace draft}} to the top of the restored article - that has a link to submit to AfC. It's just another route to the same process.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Claudelle_Deckert

You recently deleted Claudelle_Deckert but left the talk page behind. 212.225.174.69 (talk) 20:07, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that one.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:45, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

SAP Enterprise Services Architecture deletion

I have just noticed that the article SAP Enterprise Services Architecture has been deleted. The specified reason was "Non-notable company". I don't think is a valid reason, as per SAP AG:

SAP AG is a German multinational software corporation that makes enterprise software to manage business operations and customer relations. Headquartered in Walldorf, Baden-Württemberg, Germany, with regional offices around the world, SAP is the leader in the market of enterprise applications in terms of software and software-related service.

The company's best-known software products are its enterprise resource planning application systems and management (SAP ERP), its enterprise data warehouse product – SAP Business Warehouse (SAP BW), SAP BusinessObjects software, and most recently, Sybase mobile products and in-memory computing appliance SAP HANA. SAP is one of the largest software companies in the world.

SAP AG is clearly a notable company, so this article should not have been deleted. Are all the other Category:SAP AG articles going to be deleted too? Peter Campbell 09:32, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

It was a WP:PROD deletion - and as you dispute that - then I'm free to restore it in full. If the proposer of deletion does not agree then it will now have to go for a full WP:AfD deletion process. It does need more references in order to be fully safe to remain - I would guess it may well be notable enough - but it needs to be shown.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 19:32, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring the article. I will add some more references, and put a copy in my userspace. Peter Campbell 01:31, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

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File:Stairs-FM-promo.jpg

I have not logged in to Wikipedia for many years. I note in my absence the properly attributed (at the time) photo was deleted by you - File:Stairs-FM-promo.jpg. Please see it is speedily undeleted thanks. Sa cooke (talk) 14:26, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

It's a photo of a CD - unless you actually designed the CD face, you cannot own the copyright of the CD face. Thus we cannot undelete it.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:23, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

@Ronhjones:I cannot see as it's been deleted, but I would have asserted fair use as justification for use of the cd image (I took the photo, but I do understand the copyright implications for the original work). Undeletion required thanks.

No WP:FURG or any fair use copyright template there - all there is in the text part is

== Licensing ==
{{PD-self}}

date of addition was 21:09, 16 November 2006. Also it's a bit too big for fair use. I doubt if there is a suitable article for it to survive as fair use - I think it would fail No. 8 at WP:NFCCP "Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding."  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 21:26, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

If it's not vandalism...

If it's not vandalism, then what is it, when someone revert work to try to make a list more truthful? I made clear comments about it when editing and on the talk page too. Cluebot NG doesn't respond to questions about it, so how do I report this to get an answer? I have reported a 'false positive' four times but Cluebot NG's edit is still there and noone answers. Is it Wikipedia's intent that false or dubious information should be kept? Who's in charge? Rump Bass (talk) 20:31, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

The "clue" is in ClueBot's message to you "ClueBot NG makes very few mistakes, but it does happen. If you believe the change you made was constructive, please read about it, report it here, remove this message from your talk page, and then make the edit again." (my emphsis - I think ClueBot won't revert the same edit twice (I could be wrong...)  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:21, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Claudelle Deckert

• I just noticed this was prodded and deleted over the holidays, I would like to request it be refunded. She's a notable German celebrity.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 06:23, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

No problem - restored as disputed PROD - FYI the PROD reason was "non-notable. She was a secondary actress on TV films, and took part on a reality TV show. Page is more like advertising than information about a notable character.The article should be deleted by Wikipedia:NACTOR#Entertainers"  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 20:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring/gaming from IP address

Gooday Ron - I have a problem with a specific 'editor' (used very loosely, not a contributor) who seems to be surveilling me and/or some of the pages I am involved in who has a problem with me regarding sourcing of contributions and is intent on sniping and gaming. I have reverted the blanking-out here on a BLP and sent another message (this time copious) with a record of interference to the IP address talk page (previous being December also relating to November) here. If this should continue what would be the best way to deal with it?

You have previously been involved in same BLP page (different IP address) here Thx--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:37, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Someone with an axe to grind on the Tony_Egginton page, methinks. The phone in the car is daft - that's not moving. All edits from similar area (not that that is that accurate in UK...!) They are not going to go away - as soon as they get too many warnings, it's a change of IP. Let's semi protect the page and see what happens next ;-)

NB: I would ask to try to keep to the standard warnings (saves typing for one thing), as they have hidden parts - the auto vandal program Huggle and the auto script ClueBot both use those hidden sections to increment the next warning level. I've added the hidden section level 4 (and a stop sign) to your last message to them.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 01:38, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Much obliged. The car pic I can't fathom - I don't recognise the silhouette, and he uses a Prius FOC from a local business. I take your point about standard messages - I'm not experienced nor conversant enough to be using HU and TW and don't have much time presently for study. Much as I'd like to I can't find archived news files for the local radio, and media don't report on each other. Although strictly the radio interviews I added are unsourced, it's informative not controversial. I don't see why it's such a big deal when a bloke announces retirement clearly in hard-copy intended for the end of fixed-term in 2015 at around 65 years that I should be targeted by an IP address nit-picking. I wouldn't mind so much if it was a reviewer/patroller. rgds--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC)