Talk:Ajuuraan state

An Empire not Sultanate

The Ajuuraan Empire is the official name of this state. Why else are the leaders called Emperor of Somalia? Runehelmet (talk) 16:02, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

• Reliable sources?--Yopie (talk) 17:10, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

• So Somalia by Susan M. Hassig, Zawiah Abdul Latif say "inland sultanate". Encyclopedia of the Peoples of Africa and the Middle East say Ajuuraan Kingdom. Somalia a Country Study say Ajuuraan state. --Yopie (talk) 17:28, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

• Three sources have been provided, all referring to the Ajuuraan polity as an empire, which it was, as it ruled over multiple historic republics, sultanates and kingdoms, with citizens of various ethnic origins part of the realm. --Somaliweyn10 (talk) 21:36, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

• Note: All references, but one (Lewis) are without name of author, publisher, etc. This is against WP:CITE and references cannot be verified. Above are three books with links to google books and everybody can verify, that Ajuraan was Sultanate. But reference as "Ufahamu: Volume 17 pg 98" is meaningless. Is Ufahamu name of book, or author? Or reference "Somali Sultanate pg18" (BTW not "Somali Empire"), what is it? Book, webpage or article in some journal?--Yopie (talk) 14:21, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

• Ufahamu is a respected African journal on the history, society and culture of the African continent, so its not "meaningless", as it was a medium used by many different well-established scholars. From pg 87:

Meanwhile in the interiverine area of Southern Somalia, between the Juba and Shebelle river (the fertile agricultural area of Somalia), the Hawiyye clan created the Ajuuran empire in the 16 century. - Mohamed Haji Mukhtar, "The Emergence and Role of Political Parties in the Inter- River Region of Somalia from 1947-1960"

• The Somali Sultanate by Somalist scholar Virginia Luling is about the Gobroon Dynasty, a successor state to the Ajuuraan, from Pg 17, she quotes another Somalist scholar(who in his own book also refers to the polity as an empire):

as Cassanelli has suggested, they were a successor state, who rose to power locally as the Ajuuraan 'empire' crumbled (Cassanelli, 1982: 110-11).

• There are also several french sources who refer to the polity as an empire:

Les Ajuuraan auraient contrôlé un vaste empire théocratique dans la Corne de l'Afrique entre le XV et le XVII - Luc Cambrézy - Populations réfugiées: de l'exil au retour - Page 316

and:

le pouvoir absolu qu'exerça Yimaan des Ajuuraan, un clan hawiyye qui, au quinzième siècle, édifia sur les bords du Shabeelle un véritable empire - Christian Bader, Les Yibro: Mages somali. Les juifs oubliés de la corne de l'Afrique? pg 97

• All of these are reliable and verifiable sources. --Somaliweyn10 (talk) 12:29, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

• Please, see WP:CITE and repair citations.--Yopie (talk) 13:23, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

• The issue has been fixed, the names of the books/journals, the authors, the years of publication have all been included. I don't know the history between you and Runehelmet, and I really don't care, but I won't allow this article to be hi-jacked by personal vendettas, so if this is the real reason for your reverts and disruptions on the Ajuuraan State, I advise you not to continue in this matter for its very disruptive, and would further highlight that its not wise to wiki-stalk another member the way your doing right now to Runehelmet, its a well-established form of harrassment, see WP:HA. --Somaliweyn10 (talk) 18:54, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Citation link

Can someone fix the link error. I tried but it will still stay on the top of the page. Thank you. Runehelmet (talk) 20:27, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Borders

As Lee V. Cassanelli explains [1]: "Ajuraan authority could be said to have extended from Mareeg (the territorial center of the Darandoolle, a segment of the Gurqaate Hawiyya) to Qallaafo (the probable homeland of the Jambelle Hawiyya[...] The state also incorporated groups of riverine cultivators that were settled at various places along the Shabeelle from Qallaafo in the north to Torre in the southeast, near Baraawe. These cultivators probably formed the bulk of the servile labor force that was conscripted to construct the dikes and canals popularly attributed to the Ajuraan period." So the polity's western border is Qallaafo, its northern one is Mareeg, and its southern one is Barawa. Middayexpress (talk) 17:46, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Ajuran not Ajuuraan

Wouldn't the name actual be spelled Ajuran and not Ajuuraan in English? Ajuuraan how it would be spelled using the Somali Latin Alphabet. The Encyclopedia Britannica also conforms this.

Ajuran is the anglicized spelling. However, it's more commonly known as the Ajuran/Ajuuraan/Ajuraan Sultanate. Middayexpress (talk) 20:46, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Understood. AcidSnow (talk) 20:59, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Sequin coin not Sequin

The link under an image of sequin coins points to the Sequin page. Shouldn't it point to Sequin_(coin) ?