User talk:Runehelmet

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Middle east[edit]

Hello, For the greater middle east, the eritrea was in the greater middle east. can you put eritrea in the greater middle please JohnnyCN, thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnnyCN (talkcontribs) 17:31, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


Hi Runehelmet. As one of the more active and knowledgeable contributors in WikiProject Somalia and the Horn of Africa articles, I was wondering if perhaps you wouldn't mind taking a look at the Somalis in the United Kingdom article? An editor has added some material related to race that has been a bone of contention. Specifics can be found here. Best regards Middayexpress (talk) 13:22, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. I'll take a look. Runehelmet (talk) 13:24, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok; left a response there. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 15:06, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
We are in agreement. The section is undue, misleading and unimportant. An admin said that we could make edits to the page once consensus has been formed, so please feel free to remove it. Middayexpress (talk) 14:05, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Great to hear that there is an agreement. Runehelmet (talk) 16:25, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Ditto. Middayexpress (talk) 17:59, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I've started a discussion on the applicability of the "Black British" categories to Horn African pages. The user attempted to add such a category to the Somalis in the United Kingdom, Category:British people of Somali descent, and other Horn African pages/bios, arguing that Somali, Ethiopian and Eritrean immigrants in Britain are and self-identify as "Black British". On this basis, he has also added some Somali material to the "Black British" article. Your input on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 17:59, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Rune. Did you get a chance to look at the post? What do you think? Are we in agreement on this point as well? Please leave your reply there. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 14:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
I've left a response on the talk page. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 20:30, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
We are again in agreement. An admin said that we could make edits to that page as well once consensus has been formed, so please feel free to remove it. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 13:43, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Battle of Adwa[edit]

Thanks for your contributions to Battle of Adwa. I agree that the tone of the article is not appropriate in the final two sections. My question is about the rest of the article which I have been concentrating on so far. Do you see the same tonal problems this those sections? I would really appreciate your input. አቤል ዳዊት (Janweh) (talk) 22:41, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

I would like to invite you to join the Ethiopia WikiProject. I have made significant changes to the project page and completely redesigned the project. We need active contributors to Ethiopia related articles to establish their roll in this project.
I would also encourage you to join one of the "Departments" of the project by adding you name to its members page. I have started with the outreach department myself but you are welcome to jump start any of the other 8 (9 total) departments available or join me. I would recommend the people and culture department (WP:ETHP). Your contributions to articles related to Somali people and ethnic groups will be invaluable. And of course, thank you! For your many contributions to Ethiopia-related articles አቤል ዳዊት (Janweh) (talk) 22:49, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, I'm looking forward for further cooperation on Ethiopian-related articles in the future, for the benefit of those articles. Thanks for the invitation, I'll be thinking to join the WikiProject Ethiopia. Runehelmet (talk) 14:24, 29 December 2012 (UTC)


Hi Rune. What exactly is the more common spelling of injera? Canjeero or canjeelo? Best, Middayexpress (talk) 14:17, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I have noticed that on Wiki recently too. In my surroundings I always heard Canjeelo. It seems that way it's spelled depends on the region in Somalia, but I'm not sure wich one is used more common, perhaps we can use them both? Or do a Google-check, to see wich one is used more. Runehelmet (talk) 14:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
It seems with an "r" is slightly more common, but the "l" spelling is also used. Followed your advice here. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 14:45, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Alright, good to hear that. Runehelmet (talk) 14:49, 31 December 2012 (UTC)


Hi Rune. Don't know if you noticed the rather incendiary line on the Somalis in the UK article from one Piara Khabra? Given the fact that he made that statement essentially in passing and over a decade ago (he himself apparently died six years ago), it definitely seems to be undue weight. Your thoughts? Best, Middayexpress (talk) 18:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Khabra's statement isn't a significant one, nor based on facts, so actually it shouldn't be there at all. Just one of the many populists statements, but this one is just odd. It is not only undue weight, but redundant and spurious too. It should be removed, for the sake of the article. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 22:01, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. Middayexpress (talk) 14:26, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Great and thanks for the notification. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 14:59, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Talk:Civilization Jihad's talk page. Mr T(Talk?) (New thread?) 16:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC) and again at 06:18, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


If I could find a source for city state I would have added it. What is "Wikipedians, Africa, page 46" please? You need to find something scholarly, not a book aimed at schools. Dougweller (talk) 20:05, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

It is not a schoolbook, I have no idea where you get that idea. And even if it was, why removed the second one? And by the way I checked WP:V, and it doesn't mention schoolbooks as unreliable sources. Just saying. Runehelmet (talk) 20:52, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I repeat, what is "Wikipedians, Africa, page 46"? Sources need to be verifiable, how would I verify that? Dougweller (talk) 05:30, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Well it's a book named "Africa", and the author(s) is "Wikipedians". You could do a simple google check. Runehelmet (talk) 16:07, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing anything. It looks as though you aren't familiar with our guidelines on reliable sources. I'd really appreciate it if you read through WP:VERIFY and WP:RS again, as I think it would make you a better editor and avoid using sources like these. You are right, it doesn't exclude schoolbooks, but it also says "Where available, academic and peer-reviewed publications are usually the most reliable sources, such as in history, medicine, and science. You may also use material from reliable non-academic sources, particularly if it appears in respected mainstream publications. Other reliable sources include university-level textbooks, books published by respected publishing houses, magazines, journals, and mainstream newspapers." I strongly believe that articles on history, archaeology, etc should be sourced to academic sources, sources by specialists. I'd probably accept anything in the Timeline book on India however because its author seems to be an expert on India.[1] But not for Mosylon because the Timeline book is a general work most of which is outside of her area of expertise.
It's the "Africa" source that concerns me. We are Wikipedians. There may be text in the book that you or I wrote. It's published by PediaPress, a partner of the Wikimedia Foundation. It's a collection of our articles and we never use our articles as sources. Even without knowing all that, there's no evidence that the authors were experts in the field or that the book is published by a reliable source.
Let me know if you have any questions. At any time. Dougweller (talk) 21:55, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

No vandalism[edit]

Edits I made at Spread of Islam, Muslim World and History of Islam were not vandalism and were based on strong rationale. There were dozens of empires of regional scope (such as Ajuuraan, Addal, Warsangali in Somalia) throughout Islamic history, mentioning these few empires of regional importance with empires of global significance (and even before Ghaznavids and Seljuqs, older powers then these three Somali empires) is totally illogical.

"The common slogan al-islam dinun was dawlatun` (translation: Islam is a religion and a state) is neither a Koranic verse nor a quote from the hadith, but a 19th century political Salafi slogan popularized in opposition to Western Egyptian influence.[1] Such a recent origin was a handicap for a belief system bound by the scripture revealed, and the ways of those who lived, twelve centuries earlier." this paragraph is more like an personal point of view, is not enough neutral and is clearly irrelevant.

Please refrain from reverting or removing these edits. --Ahmed 313-326 (talk) 23:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

If you decide to edit a page, wich I highly appreciate, you must add citations to back it up. Your 'strong rationale' is not a reliable source. If you wish to add more content in the future, then it would be great if you put references in the article. And about the Spread of Islam article, the list is not about global empires, but notable Islamic empires in the past. And no empire in the medieval era had a global significance (this would change with the rising European Imperialism), These three empires had a vast influence on the East African coast and the Indian Ocean, and were the mercantile leaders of the Asian-African trade. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 17:17, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


Hi Runehelmet. There's a discussion here where your insight as an active WikiProject Somalia member would be appreciated. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 15:12, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the notification. Runehelmet (talk) 15:21, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


Hi Runehelmet. Lee V. Cassanelli asserts that the aristocratic title Islaan evolved after the fragmentation in the 18th century of the Harti confederation that dominated the northeastern Horn region since at least the 1300s. I know that the Warsangali Sultanate was already extant and Adal as well a bit further to the west. But what exact kingdom was there to their east? The Majeerteen Sultanate was I believe founded later, during the early modern period. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 16:28, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Midday, I've been looking it up, but to no avail. But one thing is sure, the Majeerteen were always dominant on the northeastern part of Somalia. It may be possible that other Majeerteen kingdoms positioned itself on their eastern borders. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 20:36, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
It's interesting because Shihab ad-Din writes in the Futuh al-Habash that the Harti were at the time the predominant authority in Maydh, so he consistently refers to them as the "People of Mait". It seems from this historical testimony that the Harti were still centered in Sanaag during the 1500s, and that they weren't yet divided into sub-clans and hadn't yet expanded westward. Al-Idris also asserted in the 11th century that the Hawiye were at the time based in Ras Hafun, while Ibn Sa'id would two centuries later describe Merca as the "capital of Hawiye country". So there's evidence of a north-to-south migration of the Hawiye during this period. However, I think prior to that, at the start of the Common Era, there was just a generic, undifferentiated Cushitic stock present throughout the northern Horn since the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea describes the area from Avalites (Zeila) to the Market and Cape of Spices (Damo) as inhabited by "Berbers", and thus calls it the "Berber coast" [2]. Middayexpress (talk) 16:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

SAF structure[edit]

Hi Runehelmet. As one of the more active and knowledgeable contributors in WikiProject Somalia, would you mind taking a look at this discussion on the Somali Armed Forces' structure? Basically, an editor is under the impression that Somalia is still in the transitional period, with a troop strength of only 2,000 men and no real central government. Some old qabil-related charges from the ICG back when it was led by Matt Bryden have also been cited. Your input here would be greatly appreciated. Best, Middayexpress (talk) 16:08, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Rune. So what's your take on this? Middayexpress (talk) 23:16, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
It's a pretty long and intensive discussion, I'll try to participate with it ASAP. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 14:18, 17 March 2013 (UTC)



I was wondering why you reverted my edits on the Somali language page. I had added a fair amount of new material with citations, and reorganized the page to conform to the standard format for language articles. Do you have input on how would be best to do this?

Thank you, Mo-Al (talk) 01:27, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi Runehelmet. Would you happen to know which Dhulbahante town Amina Mohamed's family originally comes from? Best, Middayexpress (talk) 14:54, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello. I searched for it, but with no avail. I'm sorry that I couldn't help, is it an important matter? Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 16:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
No worries. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 16:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)


Hi Runehelmet. Pursuant to the above, would you mind giving your input here on a related Somali language matter? Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 18:52, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


Dear sir, I noticed that you reverted my edit to Caliphate using Twinkle. You're obviously quite experienced - more so than I - so I know there is likely a reason, but I was wondering what it is. I was researching another issue when I found that source from Brill Publishers. Now, having studied Islamic jurisprudence part time with teachers for three years, I already knew that the majority position before the Ottoman Era was that a caliph must be Qurashi. But I never edited that before because I diddn't have the time or energy to search for a source; I found one and could likely find more. Did my edit appear to be some sort of POV pushing, or vandalism, or something else? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello MezzoMezzo, I'm sorry that I haven't filled the edit summary with an explanation, I was pretty exhausted back then. In the early era of Islam, the new caliph was decided with the shura. But it's true that later chaliphs were mainly chosen through heritage, but the statement:"Sunni Muslims all agree", is very dubious. We can't tell what all Sunni Muslims are saying nor their statements, for there are none which all Muslims agree upon. We can only add the opinion of scholars and critiques. And why did you actually removed:"[Al-Baqillani|Abu Bakr Al-Baqillani]] has said that the leader of the Muslims simply should be from the majority." ([3]). Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 15:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
You make some very good points, and I apologize for reverting your edit before discussing the matter. Let's move this to the talk page, as I realize that we need to find a way to work in both pieces of information, and others may be interested in the discussion as well. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Alright, I opened a topic here. You're still free to revert along with any comments there, of course. Sorry again for reverting without clarifying. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:05, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


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Hi Runehelmet. Heads up on the Rageh Omaar and Nadifa Mohamed pages. Same cat issue/user as last time. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 17:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Alright I've added them to my watchlist, thanks for the notification. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 12:55, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Great. Cheers, Middayexpress (talk) 18:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Runehelmet. Good to see you; hope you had a nice trip. I agree with you there on the Christian thing. But please also note that most said Christians aren't actually ethnically Somali. They are mainly Bantu, Bajuni, Eyle, etc. recent converts (see here); they aren't that many either. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 21:03, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey Middayexpress. Thanks for the information, I'll hope that the user will understand this. And thanks, I had a nice long vacation. Best regards, Runehelmet (talk) 23:06, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


Hi Runehelmet. As one of the more active contributors to WikiProject Somalia, would you mind keeping an eye on the Duholow page? There are some issues with synthesizing and an NFCC vio by a newly registered account, which I've explained here. Please also see the recent anon ip activity on the Al-Shabaab page, as they appear to be connected. Best regards, Middayexpress (talk) 19:01, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Alright I'll add the page to my watchlist. Thanks for the heads up. Regards. Runehelmet (talk) 10:31, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

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