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SMS.

Your edits and undos to the MM Alam page do not support your justification cited.. Also you are not following proper policies for discussion and conflict resolution. Edits which no way were in copyright violation and were supported by sources were undone, without discussion.

This would lead to appearance of bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barath s (talk • contribs) 23:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Kindly read my message on your talk page and further linked pages regarding the copyright issue. About the other issue I remember I made it clear to you earlier, how you deleted or altered sourced content that you didn't find online or have access to and how it is not acceptable here. If you want to add something, please do it, you are most welcome but don't alter sourced content specially when you can't verify it, or if you have to for some other reason, present your case on the talk when someone does not agree with you. -- SMS ^Talk 21:43, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

I had avoided responding earlier on that, to try to prevent a flame war. Paraphrased wordings and edits which are less than a sentence have also been deleted/undone. under the guise of 'copyright'. Per wikipedia policy, not every source and sentence is sacrosanct and need be carried forward forever. While an earlier draft which shows significant evidence of copypasta is repeatedly reverted to. (for proof, just google some of the initial phrases and look at result time stamps before 2006) I believe the reasoning presented specious. To be constructive, let us look at alternate wordings, thrust of article and identifying specific sentences that you believe objectionable rather than wholesale reverts. Officious alludes to policy regarding banning can be taken as intimidation rather than helpful clarification ~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barath s (talk • contribs) 14:07, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

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I agree with you SMS has a habbit for editing just for edit's sake doing useless edits and creating useless articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.32.9.141 (talk) 05:07, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

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I also agree with you He is very disappointing person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.48.43.61 (talk) 18:11, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

External links in Mountain articles

SMS - Member Lew Sheen (talk) 15:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Lew_Sheen here.

I have added links to Summitpost.org and Himalaya-Info.org to all 14 8,00 meter peak pages. These 2 sites, Summitpost.org and Himalaya-Info.org, contain much additional information about the main mountain subject pages. Neither site is a commercial site, each uses the .org domain classification. I added them to increase the amount of information available to wikipedia users interested in learning more about the peaks.

In addition, both Summitpost.org and Himalaya-Info.org have extensive and unique photos of the peaks and the surrounding areas, photos not available anywhere else.

Finally, both Summitpost.org and Himalaya-Info.org have comprehensive rights policies which are strictly enforced.

I believe the addition of these external links will greatly enhance a wikipedia user's experience - especially one who seeks to learn more about the 14 8,000 meter peaks on our planet.

Thanks,

Lew Sheen (talk) 15:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Lew_Sheen

Hello Lew Sheen. Thanks for the explanation. I also agree to some extent about the usefulness of these pages that is why I didn't remove them but the way you added these links looked somewhat like spamming, so thought to let you know about some of the guidelines that you may find helpful. Hope you enjoy editing Wikipedia. -- SMS ^Talk 15:58, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info on wikipedia's guidelines regarding external links, I had not read them before. They all make good sense to me, and I certainly will bear them in mind in the future.

Lew Sheen (talk) 23:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Lew_Sheen

The Bugle: Issue XCV, February 2014

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Sudhan

I have been working on this for he last 5 years and have no idea why you would destroy this. I will apprecaite if you would leave this alone — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trueblood786 (talk • contribs) 01:16, 23 February 2014‎ (UTC)

@Trueblood786 I think it has been explained to you very well on the article talk page that why the content you are trying to add is not suitable here at Wikipedia. And my edit at this article was not vandalism, you better read What is not vandalism. Please also read Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. -- SMS ^Talk 12:21, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I read your edit, it makes no sense to completely take the whole article down because you dont agree with it, if you have issues, than you should go to the talk page. I am not sure what your issues are with Sudhans, clearly they are a tribe in AJK, they have not much in common with Pakistanis or Indians, especially Punjabis. So if you have issues, than kindly put it on the talk page.

I have been editing for a long time so please dont threaten me rather you should be civil

What failed verification, can you tell me what you tried to verify, clearly, Sardar Ibrahim Khan was the first President of AJK and he is a Sudhan, you can read it in his own book. "The Kashmir Saga".

I will appreciate if you could tell me what you are trying to verify. Also the other editor he just wiped out the whole article. I am looking forward to working with your to make this better, so I will appreciate your comments and exactly what you need verified and how.

Trueblood (talk) 01:40, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Trueblood (talk) 01:27, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Sardar Muhmmad Aziz Khan is a Sudhan, see "http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?225318" I hope this is a source you can trust. Normally Pakistan Army does not state the tribe a general or officer belongs to.

Trueblood (talk) 01:55, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

May you

Hi Smsarmad, would you please tag for deletion, I have gone through all sources,(though I edited several times the article) non of those establish the notability of the subject, there are two reliable sources, that do not write about the subject, just the issue of the blasphemy, rest are trivial and insignificant to support the notability of the subject, I believe. As I am not much familiar how to tag for deletion, I need your assistance in this regard, please first take a look at the sources. Thanks. Justice007 (talk) 09:03, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Justice. I have reviewed the article and agree with you about the subject's notability. So I have nominated it for deletion through the AfD process. Regards -- SMS ^Talk 11:51, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

We should maintain the standards of the wiki-project. Thanks. Justice007 (talk) 14:25, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

The Taliban and the Crisis of Afghanistan

Am I missing something here? p102 says, Bhutto admitted that Pakistan had trained the Taliban in Pakistan with financial aid from the US. I cannot see page 101 on preview. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:51, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

I will quote from the two books the para I am referring to, but please give me sometime, I am a little occupied in the real world. -- SMS ^Talk 07:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes Benazir admitted that Taliban were given training by Pakistan and the following quoted text that precedes explains it. Here, from the title book, I am going to bold out any text that I find most relevant to our discussion

“ ...Islamabad rejected both the formation of a coalition government in Kabul and the broad-based government mandated by the United Nations. With the support of the CIA and Saudi financing, the ISI pushed for a military victory to install the Afghan Islamists in Kabul without informing major mujahedin field commanders. In the meantime, Afghan Islamist groups were unable to fund thousands of their established religious schools; most of these schools were subsequently taken over by the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, another powerful and highly influential Islamist group in Pakistan. These competing factions nonetheless failed to form a national government, and their competition sparked a bloody civil war, which continued for two years. During this massive infighting, some thirty thousand people were killed and a hundred thousand were wounded; the capital was destroyed entirely.

This chaotic social and political environment gave rise to a vacuum of leadership and gave momentum to the appearance of a political force that promised to stop the infighting and further destruction of the country. Led by Mullah Muhammad Omar, the initial Taliban group emerged in the southern part of Kandahar Province in 1994 as a local response to the former resistance and militia forces implicated in banditry, brutality against local residents, and offenses against the local values such as nang (reputation) and namus (local honor with respect to women). Mullah Omar was a veteran mujahedin commander and had previously headed a religious school in a remote district of Kandahar. Through their association and friendship with the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, headed by Mawlana Fazlur Rehman, the strongest coalition partner in the Benazir Bhutto government in 1994, Taliban leaders were brought to the attention of the Pakistani government, which put Ministry of Interior General Nasirullah Babar in charge of logistical support for the Taliban. This development enabled the Taliban to mobilize forces and take over the strategic province of Kandahar, rapidly expanding toward Herat and then Kabul. The rise of the Taliban was embedded in regional developments. Competition for access to the oil- and gas-rich states of the former Soviet Union in Central Asia added an economic component to Pakistan's policy toward Afghanistan. Bhutto's regime viewed access to these Central Asian markets and the transport of energy as critical to Pakistani industry. Meanwhile, Hekmatyar's forces, backed by Pakistan, were failing militarily and politically to capture Kabul. Moreover, ISI support for Hekmatyar had already antagonized Islamabad's relationship with the Afghan mujahedin government led by Burhanuddin Rabbani.

” — Robert D. Crews; Amin Tarzi, The Taliban and the Crisis of Afghanistan

Will quote from the other book later. --SMS ^Talk 19:06, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Can you take this to the Talk:Taliban so that we can have a centralized discussion at one place? Mar4d (talk) 09:21, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Sure I would do that. Actually I am unable to find enough time to participate in a regular discussion. -- SMS ^Talk 02:07, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Kohistan

I have revert your one edit on Kohistan District, Pakistan. It is not necessary to clean up the content as you done. Yasir Multiple (talk) 10:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

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Feroz Watwan

yar tum ko kya masla he.... tum ho kon? bar bar sub kuch q delete kr dety ho? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.41.22.255 (talk) 17:41, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Please read What Wikipedia is not. -- SMS ^Talk 17:52, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello Feroz, tum fikar na karo mein tumhare saath hn. Tum akele hi nai ho jo is se tang ho. har koi is se tang hai. is ko sirf award jeetne ka shook hai. Ab chahe wo award asli hoon ya nakli. Is user ne kai saare nakli award apne user page pe saja rakhe hain. Is ko naseehat karo je ye kisi ache se doctor se apna ilaaj karwai. Or tum please fikar na karna. Ise Allah hi pooche ga. - 119.160.119.178 (talk) 05:46, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Smsarmad, May Allah broke your both hands and finger so you did not use you keyboard for editing or investigations. Ameen - 119.160.119.178 (talk) 05:53, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

List of Kakazai Pashtuns

For Dr. Munir:

- http://kakezaiassociation.com/pioneers.php

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Some Famous Kakazai Personalities

Presidents / Prime Ministers

• Abdul Ghafoor Khan, Prime Minister, State of Ram Pur, Indo-Pak, 1901

• Ghulam Mohammed, Governor General of Pakistan, 1951 – 1955

Judicial Officers / Judges

• Ghulam Nabi Jalalabadi, Sub-Judge, Sialkot, Indo-Pak, 1900

• Faqir Ali, District Judge, Rohtak, Indo-Pak, 1901

• Karim Bakhsh, Sub-Judge, Atari, Indo-Pak, 1906

• Ali Muhammad, Senior Sub-Judge, Ferozepur, Indo-Pak, 1932

• Ali Muhammad, Distrit Judge, Amritsar, Indo-Pak

• Muhammad Munir, Chief Justice of Pakistan, 1954 – 1960

• Ghayas Mohammad, Attorney General of Pakistan

• Khurshid Ahmed, Minster of Law, Pakistan

• Saad Saud Jaan, Judge, Supreme Court, Pakistan

• Khalil-ur-Rahman, Judge, Lahore High Court, Pakistan

• Mahboob Ahmad, Judge, Lahore High Court, Pakistan

• Munir A. Sheikh, Judge, Lahore High Court, Pakistan

• Muhammad Irshad Hassan, Judge, High Court, Pakistan

• Aamir Raza Khan, Judge, High Court, Pakistan

• Maqbool Ahmad, Session Judge, Pakistan

• Malik Haji Allah Rakha, Honorary Magistrate, Sialkot, Pakistan

• Malik Rahmatullah, Honorary Magistrate, Lahore, Pakistan

Attorneys / Advocates

• Malik Barkat Ali, Advocate, High Court, Indo-Pak

• Malik Niaz Muhammad Khan, Advocate, Indo-Pak

• Khan Abul-Rahim, Advocate, Amritsar, Indo-Pak

• Khan Bahadur Malik Hussain Khan, Advocate, High Court, Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Malik Jalal-ud-din Khan, Advocate, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Abd-ur-Rehman, Advocate, Indo-Pak

• Mazhar Hussain, Advocate Khanpur, Indo-Pak

• Muhammad Nasib Khan, Barrister at Law, Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Malik Sardar Khan, Advocate, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Malik Muhammad Amin Khan (Sialkoti), Advocate, Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Khan Nisar Ahmed Khan, Advocate, Montgomery, Indo-Pak

• Khan Muhammad Iqbal Khan, Advocate, Hoshiarpur, Indo-Pak

• Khan Abudl-Hamid Khan, Barrister at Law, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Malik Ziaullah, Advocate, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Maula Bakhsh, Attorney of the State, State of Patiala, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Ali Muhammad, Advocate, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Muhammad Umar, Barrister at Law, Amritsar, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Umar Bakhsh, Advocate, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Malik Imam-ud-din, Advocate, Plaidar Jamon, Indo-Pak

• Malik Pir Bakhsh, Advocate, Peshawar, Indo-Pak

• Malik Salah-ud-din, Advocate, Gujrat, Indo-Pak

• Malik Meeran Bakhsh, Barrister at Law, Peshawar, Indo-Pak, 1900

• Khan Muhammad Rashid-ul-Haq, Barrister at Law, President Municipal Committee, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Malik Wilayat Ahmed, Advocate, Batala, Indo-Pak

• Malik Wazir Ahmed, Advocate, Batala, Indo-Pak

• Malik Khurshid Ahmed, Barrister at Law, Ferozepur, Indo-Pak

• Malik Rahim Bakhsh, Advocate, Peshawar, Indo-Pak

• Malik Ghulam Dastagir, Advocate, Indo-Pak

• Malik Muhammad Sharif, Advocate, Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Noor Ahmad, Advocate, Abbotabad, Indo-Pak

• Khan Muhammad Younas Khan, Advocate, Peshawar, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Muhammad Abdullah, Advocate, Abbotabad, Indo-Pak

Police Officers

• Sheikh Muhammad Hussain, Inspector Police, Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Hafiz Muhammad Qasim, Deputy Inspector, Jagadahry, Indo-Pak

• Hafiz Ghulam Kibriya, Deputy Inspector, Hansi, Indo-Pak

• Malik Ghulam Akbar Saheb, Deputy Inspector, Khudian, Indo-Pak

• Sardard Ali, Deputy Inspector, Kasur, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Ghulam Mustapha, Inspector, Dharmkot, Indo-Pak

• Malik Muhammad Khan, Deputy Superintendent, Pathankot, Indo-Pak

• Malik Abd-ur-Rehman, Sub-Inspector, Kalabagh, Indo-Pak

• Khan Bahadur Hafiz Zain-ul-Abidin, Superintendent, Montgomery, Indo-Pak

• Malik Ashar Ali, Sub-Inspector, Ghoghair – Montgomery, Indo-Pak

• Khan Dildar Khan, Inspector, Patoki – Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Malik Muhammad Hussain, Sub-Inspector, Nur Shah – Montgomery, Indo-Pak

• Malik Abd-ul-Haq Khan, Sub-Inspector, Jhang, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Ghulam Qadir, Sub-Inspector, Jigrawan, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Barkat Ali, Sub-Inspector, Shuja Abad, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Gohar Ahmed, Sub-Inspector, Gardpur (Nainital), Indo-Pak

• Hafiz Wilayat Ali, Sub-Inspector, Rohtak, Indo-Pak

• Hafiz Zain-ul-Abidin, Court Inspector, Peshawar, Indo-Pak, 1900

• Sheikh Murid Ghaus, Court Inspector, Peshawar, Kanpur, Indo-Pak, 1900

• Malik Fazal-ud-Din, Deputy Inspector, Lahore, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Pir Bakhsh, Deputy Inspector, Hoshiarpur, Indo-Pak, 1900

• Sheikh Hussain Bakhsh, Deputy Inspector, Chunian, Indo-Pak, 1900

• Malik Ubaidullah Khan, Deputy Inspector, Phalora – Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Malik Abdullah Khan, Sub-Inspector, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Malik Zulqarnain, Sub-Inspector, Narowal, Indo-Pak

• Sheikh Muhammad Hussain, District Inspector, State of Bahawalpur, Indo-Pak

• Malik Ghulam Muhammad Sub-Inspector, Churhkana, Indo-Pak

• Malik Ali Akbar Khan, Inspector, Quetta, Indo-Pak

• Malik Muhammad Shafi, Sub-Inspector, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

Military / Army Officers

• Khan Bahadur Malik Umar-ud-Din, Subedar Major, Bhailo Wal – Amritsar, Indo-Pak

• Fatah-ud-Din, Subedar, Larhi - Jehlum, Indo-Pak

• Muhammad Ghasetay Khan, Platoon Guide, Hoti Mardan, from Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Wali Muhammad Khan, Subedar, Regiment Number 104, Bombay, from Bhailo Wal, Amritsar, Indo-Pak

• Muhammad Ali Khan, Subedar, Military Police, Brehma, from Bodsir, State of Kapurthala, Indo-Pak

• Muhamad Bakhsh, Platoon Number 7, Lakhnow, from Rangpur, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Mohkam-ud-Din, Subedar, Rangpura, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Sarfaraz Khan, Subedar, Rangpura, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Rukun-ud-Din, Subedar, Aimanabad, Gujranwala, Indo-Pak

• Kader Bakhsh, Risaldar, Rangpura, Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Kaloo Khan, Risaldar, Aimanabad, Gujranwala, Indo-Pak

• Hussain Bakhsh, Jemadar (An Officer Rank in the British Indian Army), Platoon Number 25, Bhail Chak, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Sindhay Khan, Jemadar, Risala Number 9 – Hudson Horse, Fatupurah, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Charagh Ali Khan, Jemadar, Risal Number 9 – Hudson Horse, Fatupurah, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Hakem-ud-Din, Jemadar, from Nowshehra – Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Khuda Yar Khan, Jemadar, from Nowshehra – Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Wali Muhammad Khan, Jemadar, Military Police, Brehma, from Bazidchak, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Sazawar Khan, Jemadar, Lasmin Karal, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Charagh Ali, Adjutant Jemadar, Batala, Gurdaspur, Indo-Pak

• Pir Bakhsh, Adjutant Jemadar, Platoon Number 6, from Rangpura – Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Bootay Khan, Jemadar, Paltoon Sun-flower (Suraj Mukhi), from Rangpura – Sialkot, Indo-Pak

• Rukun-ud-Din, Jemadar, Regiment Number 9, Bombay, from Aimanabad, Indo-Pak

• Imam-ud-Din Khan, Jemadar, Multan, Indo-Pak

(Source: “Tareekh-e-Kakazai Tarkani” (a.k.a. “Hidayat Afghani – Tareekh-e-Kakazai Tarkani”)

McKhan ^(talk) 04:53, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

News paper

Can you explain why you consider news papers as in reliable sources. If papers in Pakistan and India are in reliable than why is nyt reliable. A news paper is independent and thus in of itself reliable. If there are two news reports both contradictory than both should be listed, rather than as u did taking out the reference completelyHeman (talk) 19:35, 2 March 2014 (UTC)