User talk:Steel1943

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Good work

• I just saw what happened about ten days ago. It's a gray area. In a way, you were both right and you were both wrong. The other editor was an admin and should have known better than to cite a guideline as "policy". On the other hand, the guideline does specifically go against nac if the decision cannot be performed by the closing editor. On the other hand, your placement of a db template on the redirect would have gotten the job done and similar actions have been done in the past. Personally, I would have done the same thing you did, except I'm not yet ready to retire, even for the first time. I have been known to take a wikiholiday from time to time.

I suppose it's a good thing – I just came here to piss you off some more (jus' kiddin') and lam into you for removing the "to project" from {{Redr|to project|from shortcut}} on 27 Nov with this edit. That Rcat can be used to tag cross-namespace redirects and project-page-to-project-page redirects. It automatically sorts them properly into separate cats. There are three like that:

• {{R to help}}
• {{R to portal}}
• {{R to project}}

Also, you can insert extra Rcats into the {{Redr}} template, up to six total Rcats. So you didn't have to add {{R to subpage}} independently, you could have embedded it like so: {{Redr|to project|to subpage|from shortcut}} (I usually use the shortcut {{R sub}} as in {{Redr|to project|sub|from shortcut}}).

So anyways, hope you get better soon and fully recover from whatever malady you suffer from. I'm not saying that because I like you or anything. You're a template editor, and the project needs good template editors, that's all. Seriously, you needn't go through life letting other people push your buttons like that. Push 'em your own self!

Actually, the only important thing I came here to say was... You will be missed. As always, Joys! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 21:35, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

A steelie holiday

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Merry Christmas!

BOZ (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

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I'm wishing you a Merry Christmas, because that is what I celebrate. If you don't like Christmas or just don't celebrate it in any of its forms, then please accept a generic "Happy Holidays". If you celebrate no holidays at this time of year, then hopefully you will be satisfied with an even more generic "Season's Greetings".  :)

Nomination for deletion of Template:R from filename title

Template:R from filename title has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. TeleComNasSprVen (talk • contribs) 23:08, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Article Alerts

Hi Steel,

I know you keep an eye on the D&D Article Alerts page. I don't know how much you are into gaming in general, but if you wanted to keep track of more processes for a broader range of subjects, last year I had an article alerts page created for the RPG Wikiproject, and there is also an article alerts page for the Board and Table games Wikiproject (which covers wargames, CCGs, and other non-RPG tabletop games). BOZ (talk) 19:14, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Regarding my cut-and-paste move of Abishai (biblical figure)

Hello, you posted on my talk page that Abishai (biblical figure) is a cut-and-paste move from Abishai. I respect the work that the copyright removers and cut-and-paste move fixers do, and I have done my share of it in the past. However, while I respectfully disagree that this case requires the remedy of combining page histories, I do agree that something needs to be done with the article.

Abishai was a disambiguation page back in 2006, and it still is now. Here is the entire disambiguation entry for Abishai as it was when I created the new article.

• Abishai (Bible), the father of (i.e., "desirous of") a gift, the eldest son of Zeruiah, David's sister. It is also the name of the Semitic chief who offers gifts to the lord of Beni-Hassan.

I admit that my work here was quite sloppy, especially because I did not intend to include the second sentence of this entry in the new article, "Abishai (biblical figure)" (at least I hope I did not). Instead, it should have been made into its own disambiguation entry on the disambiguation page, "Abishai". The sentence in the article "Abishai (biblical figure)" that is currently devoted to the Semitic chief with the same name should be removed from the article.

Now, let us deal with the first sentence, "Abishai (Bible), the father of (i.e., "desirous of") a gift, the eldest son of Zeruiah, David's sister." In my opinion, "Abishai, the eldest son of Zeruiah, David's sister," needs only a reference to the Bible, in this case 1 Chronicles 2:13. I do not want to be insensitive to Wikipedia's editors, but I do not think that attribution of this phrase is necessary.

However, as far as the part about "Abishai" meaning "the father of (i.e., "desirous of") a gift," I would say that it should not be included without its own reference, as it is not included in the Bible, as far as I can tell. As far as attribution goes for this contribution, I would say that it should be given, if it were to be kept in the article. I was also sloppy in not even fixing the part about the meaning of his name, as the wording is very poor.

If you like, you can leave the article in the cut-and-paste move fixing pen, but I suggest that "the father of (i.e., "desirous of") a gift," simply be deleted from the article. The sentence about the Semitic chief with the same name should also be deleted. After that, an entry on him should be put on the disambiguation page, "Abishai". After all of that is removed, the only thing that will remain from the disambiguation page move will be, "Abishai, the eldest son of Zeruiah, David's sister."

These are my opinions on what was done and what should be done. I will leave the decisions to be made about this article up to you.

I am not writing this message in anger or resentment, and I have tried to make sure that my reply is clear and logical. If I have failed to do that, I apologize in advance. Unfortunately, written communication lacks the many non-verbal cues that face-to-face communication has, which leads to misunderstandings. Thank you very much, Kjkolb (talk) 05:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

• @Kjkolb: I agree with you that Abishai (biblical figure) needs work, and I thank you for providing feedback about my actions on my talk page, but this is not the purpose about why I requested the history merge. Before the WP:CUTPASTE move I was referring to that happened in 2006, the majority of the contents that were on Abishai were moved to Abishai (Bible) (now Abishai (biblical figure)). It seemed that the original purpose of Abishai before 2006 was a main article first, and a disambiguation page second. At this point, both pages seem to serve the purposes which they should, but the page history that was on Abishai before 2006 seemed to more belong on the history of Abishai (biblical figure). (It was as though the disambiguation page was created in 2006.)

Anyways, the only reason I noticed all of this was because I was attempting to find a new target for the redirect Abishi, but could not find one. However, in the process, I noticed the odd edit histories of Abishai and Abishai (biblical figure), so I requested them changed. I personally have neither any vested interest to update Abishai (biblical figure), nor any idea where to start. Steel1943 (talk) 14:49, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

LSZ

Hello,

I noticed you reverted my edit to make LSZ reduction formula the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for LSZ. Upon investigating I noticed that the traffic to Lysergic acid 2,4-dimethylazetidide was 6x higher, there were 20x more linking pages and the google search ranking was significantly higher. As a result I reverted your reversion.

Thanks for your understanding, Testem (talk) 10:04, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

• Testem, I noticed when you "reverted" my revert, you actually didn't do a true "revert" on my edit; rather, you "cloaked" the revert as a way to change the redirect to a whole new target, as proven in these two sequential diffs: 1 & 2. Even though that wasn't a true "revert of my revert", I don't disagree with your reasoning, granted that all of the topics on LSZ (disambiguation) are not my strong points. Also, as the information you stated meets the criteria for WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, I have no desire to start a WP:RM or WP:RFD discussion. There may be the possibility that another editor may feel as though they have a reasonable dispute of either the primary topic, or the lack thereof, but I am not that editor at this time. Steel1943 (talk) 15:46, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, it was not my intention to try and conceal the end result of my edit. Thanks for your understanding. Testem (talk) 09:27, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Bangs / Fringe

Hello! Sorry about any confusion that's arisen. Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Out-of-process move. (The section's title refers to a move that occurred yesterday.) Thanks. —David Levy 20:27, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

• @David Levy: No worries, considering I'm not worried about it myself. At this point, if other editors feel the need to leave a page titled the way that it is, even if it breaks how the move request is posted on WP:RM, I'll just let it play itself out. Steel1943 (talk) 20:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

  I am concerned about the broken move request. Because I'm involved in the dispute, I've asked that another admin get this straightened out (by closing the inapplicable move request and either reopening the original or initiating a new one). —David Levy 20:37, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

@David Levy: makes sense. The only concern that I had, as a editor who looks at WP:RM from time to time, is that the most recent move request appears as though the article is trying to be moved to its current title, which obviously makes no sense, and probably doesn't to other editors. That was all (though I'm not afraid to boldly fix the issue myself, if I can, as you saw.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:42, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that this is a problem in need of fixing. —David Levy 20:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Re:Bor

I just wanted to say thanks :) Nedgreiner (talk) 16:41, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Warning

Talking bird (cognition) primary topic. you all will unlimited block— Preceding unsigned comment added by CYl7EPTEMA777 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 7 March 2014 (UTC)