Talk:Heleen Mees

Mees was arrested in July 2013. The prosecution ran into problems in the weeks after Mees' arrest, as it turned out that Buiter had himself sent Mees hundreds of emails, and had even reached out to her after her arrest. That's why the charges are going to be dropped. It's not part of a plea deal, as Mees did not plead guilty to any of the charges. Therefore there is no sentencing, and there is no probation. Bmwz3hm (talk) 11:07, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Your story, Bmwz3hm, is provably false. ‘Stalker’ ex-NYU prof takes plea deal, but plans defamation suit by Lia Eustachewich, New York Post, March 10, 2014 --24.97.201.230 (talk) 13:16, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Copy violation

The picture Heleen Mees/Bmwz3hm added is copyrighted by EPA. See the picture here: http://www.telegraaf.nl/jsp/foto_window.jsp?id=http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/article22001064.ece/BINARY/d/IMG_ajt_mees_2_1_0FQD3LD.jpg&caption=%20&copyright=EPA&artid=22196223&artsec=buitenland&artparsec=buitenland&arttit=Stalkingszaak%20Heleen%20Mees%20weer%20voor%20rechter

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/22196223/__Heleen_Mees_weer_voor_rechter__.html

http://www.nrc.nl/handelsblad/van/2013/oktober/25/stalking-aanklager-wil-schikking-met-heleen-mees-1309476

Must be deleted immediately. It was already deleted (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heleen_Mees&diff=603541034&oldid=603536554) BUT Heleen Mees/Bmwz3hm re-added it. --24.97.201.230 (talk) 02:50, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Can someone please delete the picture (File:Heleenmees2.png) from the Heleen Mees wikipedia article? --24.97.201.230 (talk) 13:11, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Image not uploaded on Wikipedia, but on Wikimedia Commons, where deletion proceedings are underway. Nick (talk) 13:46, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Affiliation with NYU

"Heleen Mees, 44, a former adjunct professor at NYU's Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service..."

"An NYU spokesman said Mees taught a course last fall at the Wagner school but is not currently associated with the university."

• Dutch economist charged with stalking Citigroup chief economist by Joseph Jax, Reuters, July 3, 2013 --24.97.201.230 (talk) 12:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Women on Top secondary source

This source can be used after "In 2006 Mees co-founded Women on Top,[11] an organization that advocates more women in top jobs" in the Heleen Mees wikipedia article since the source Bmwz3hm has put down (women-on-top.nl) is not in English.

• Dutch economist charged with stalking Citigroup chief economist by Joseph Jax, Reuters, July 3, 2013

• WP:SECONDARY

"In 2006 [Heleen Mees] co-founded Women on Top, a group advocating for more women in top corporate jobs and company boards." --24.97.201.230 (talk) 12:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Heleen Nijkamp was born in Hengelo, Overijssel

The following part should be re-added to the Heleen Mees wikipedia article as it was inexplicably deleted by Bmwz3hm:

Heleen Mees (born Heleen Nijkamp, 1968, Hengelo, Overijssel, Netherlands) is a Dutch economist and opinion writer. She was Adjunct Associate Professor of Economics at Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service in New York City until July 2013. --24.97.201.230 (talk) 13:23, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

References

--24.97.201.230 (talk) 13:23, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

This article also says Mees' last name was Nijkamp. (I don't read that language but used Google Translate.) --24.97.201.230 (talk) 13:28, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

According to this article, Heleen Mees was known as Heleen Nijkamp until she changed her last name in 2002. --24.97.201.230 (talk) 13:37, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

"Heleen Mees / Ik vind het niet erg mensen op de kast te jagen" (2008 article) also says she changed her last name from Nijkamp to Mees and that people find it strange. --24.97.201.230 (talk) 14:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Feminist

October 2013 profile of Mees in HP/De Tijd:

Heleen Mees: profiel van de gevallen feministe, 21 oktober 2013 --24.97.201.230 (talk) 13:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

• This article also says Mees is a feminist: No more part-time feminism - 2009 - University of Twente --24.97.201.230 (talk) 14:03, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

The two following categories should be placed on the Heleen Mees wikipedia article:
Category:Feminist writers
Category:Dutch feminists --24.97.201.230 (talk) 14:11, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

German Wikipedia version

• http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heleen_Mees --24.97.201.230 (talk) 13:50, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

"2009 arbeitete sie als Showmaster bei der niederländische Rundfunkgesellschaft VARA. Sie ist regelmäßig Gast im Ökonomen-Panel von BNR Nieuwsradio.[5]"

So the following should be added to the English Heleen Mees article:

In 2009, Mees was a TV host on VARA, a Dutch public broadcasting association. She was a regular guest at the panel of economists on BNR Newsradio. --24.97.201.230 (talk) 13:58, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

European Commission

Powerfeminist Heleen Mees: 'Het liefst zou ik trouwen en kinderen krijgen', Carolina Lo Galbo, Vrig Nederland, 25 april 2009 says Mees was an employee of the European Commission from 1998 to 2000. --24.97.201.230 (talk) 14:08, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Advancement of own interests

I did some editing to the effect that this biographical article gives a fair, factual and neutral account, based on reliable sources. User bmwz3hm undid all of my edits. The advancement of personal interests is the wrong motivation for editing Wikipedia articles. Could user bmwz3hm gives encyclopedic arguments in favour of her edits? Edit warring is not a civilised practice. Please do not undo my edits, but use this talk page for a debate. May the best arguments win! Theobald Tiger (talk) 07:32, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Mrs. Mees is quite wellknown in the Netherlands, but mainly as an opinion writer with provocative feminist views (and because of the court case). She is often called a "power feminist", someone who promotes third-wave-feminism. As a scientist or a lawyer she is up till now not particularly notable. The current version of the article states that all charges in the court case are set for dismissal without mentioning the conditions forced upon Mees, but not failing to mention that it is alleged that Buiter in spite of the accusations contacted Mees. This is certainly POV in favour of Mees. On the Dutch Wikipedia bmwz3hm made clear that she wants to emphazise Mees' scientific and juridical activities to contradict and to counteract Buiters low opinion of her capacities. I would like to discuss the relevant topics here. If nobody reacts I think it will be appropriate to restore my edits. Theobald Tiger (talk) 19:59, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Bmwz3hm reverted again, without explanation. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heleen_Mees&diff=605173655&oldid=605173431 --24.97.201.230 (talk) 18:34, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I've given Bmwz3hm a final warning in this regard, to no longer revert and to take the issue to this talk page instead, or I will block. If this is ignored, a block will be forthcoming, whether or not 3RR was violated. -- Atama頭 19:16, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll wait another two days in anticipation of a discussion. If the discussion will not start, I will restore my edits once again on wednesday evening. Theobald Tiger (talk) 19:50, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

As an administrator I don't know what other advice to give you. Technically that's "edit-warring" but what else can you do if the other person refuses to talk? Maybe Bmwz3hm will come here and talk now, though. We can always hope. But yes, give it a couple of days to show good faith on your part. -- Atama頭 22:04, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

I discovered this article after seeing Mees on the news several nights ago and wondering who she was. After seeing the edit war I've reviewed the edits made and generally agree with Theobald Tiger with only some minor exceptions. Use of primary sources is reasonable provided we comply with WP:PRIMARY. Use of Mees' website as a source for her residence therefore seems reasonable. I've also left in the references for the publications. I don't see a need to remove these. --AussieLegend (✉) 03:19, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Bmwz3hm just undid all of other users' edits, again with no edit summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heleen_Mees&diff=605257860&oldid=605244004

See also: User_talk:Bmwz3hm#April_2014 --TheCockroach (talk) 06:40, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

I've reverted the revert. As well as restoring contentious, self serving edits, the deleted image link was restored and the infobox was damaged by partial removal of a parameter. This alone warranted reversion by any editor. The revert was careless at the very, very best. Since Bmwz3hm was specifically warned about reverting without discussion, I've now listed this at WP:AN3. The thread is User:Bmwz3hm reported by User:AussieLegend (Result: ). If that --AussieLegend (✉) 09:52, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Bmwz3hm undid AussieLegend's edits again. I think AussieLegend's edits show some improvements compared to mine, so I am in favour of restoring them (for example I am not sure if Heleen Mees could actually be called a 'pen name'. The name has been changed in the USA, but as far as I know not in the Netherlands). With respect to the footnotes: I am more familiar with the practices on nl.wiki. The Dutch are generally speaking more suspicious about footnotes than the English speaking communities, so I apologize for not having realized the difference between nl.wiki and en.wiki in what is considered best practice. I will wait for the outcome of the above mentioned thread reporting a violation of the 3RR. Theobald Tiger (talk) 13:03, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

There are additional reasons for reverting the changes that Bmwz3hm. Several of the sentences have been lifted directly from Mees's website although the scope of the copyright violation is difficult to gauge, as there has been some reorganising of the copied content. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:27, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

I agree. I have restored AussieLegend's edits. I did some additional editing. I mentioned for example the article that meant Mees' breakthrough as an opinion writer in the Netherlands. I am fully prepared to discuss my edits here. Theobald Tiger (talk) 19:45, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Theobald Tiger- please add sources after "She is known for her provocative feminist views. Mees is a firm advocate of female ambition and a promotor of more women in the supervisory and executive boards of big companies." You could use any of the following:

• Heleen Mees: profiel van de gevallen feministe, 21 oktober 2013
• No more part-time feminism - 2009 - University of Twente
• Powerfeminist Heleen Mees: 'Het liefst zou ik trouwen en kinderen krijgen' - Vrij Nederland
• "The courtroom was packed with avid Dutch journalists eager to see the downfall of one of Holland’s best-known feminist opinion-makers." EXCLUSIVE: Brooklyn plumber pays bail for Heleen Mees, who is accused of stalking her ex-lover - NY Daily News --TheCockroach (talk) 20:06, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done - I added one source, but nearly every article about her or interview with her states exactly the same facts. Theobald Tiger (talk) 20:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

There may be additional sources in revisions prior to Bmwz3hm's edits. That's where I got this edit from. --AussieLegend (✉) 01:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Heleen Mees achievements

Bmwz3hm (talk) 21:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

In the Netherlands Heleen Mees’ opinions about women in the workplace may have been seen as provocative, but in the United States and most other countries the views of Heleen Mees are simply mainstream. Journalists for The New York Times (Katrin Bennhold) and The Atlantic (Sharon Lerner) did interview Heleen Mees in the past about her views on women’s issues, but Mees' opinions never made it into any newspaper article because they are considered nothing out of the ordinary in the United States. If you look at Heleen Mees’ bibliography, you can see that she only wrote 2 English pieces about women’s issues, from a list of more than 50 publications (see below). The first article deals with women on corporate boards, the second with outlawing prostitution. Both articles fit well in a European trend at the time and can hardly be considered provocative, now or then. To summarize Heleen Mees work based on these 2 pieces, which are already more than 6 years old, seems wholly unbalanced to me. The original text of the Heleen Mees article devotes a paragraph to Mees’ successful lobby for more women on corporate boards in the Netherlands in 2006 - 2008, which is just about right in light of the above. The original text pays more balanced attention to Mees' other achievements in English language media, which may have gone unnoticed in the Netherlands. These achievements include the numerous publications in leading newspapers and magazines about economic issues and her teaching position at NYU.

BIBLIOGRAPHY HELEEN MEES:

Forthcoming Bekaert, Geert and Heleen Mees. 2014. Housing Bubbles and the Dutch Disease. (Working Paper).

Mees, Heleen. 2014. NY Service Economy - A Template for a Future Suburbia. Here, There, Everywhere, DroogLab Amsterdam.

Mees, Heleen. 2014. China, No House of Cards. Capital, April 2014.

Mees, Heleen and Philip Hans Franses. 2014. Are Chinese Individuals Prone to Money Illusion? (Accepted for publication by Journal of Behavioral and Experimental Economics).

Mees, Heleen. 2013. Why China's Growth Model Makes Sense. Project Syndicate, May 16, 2013.

Mees, Heleen. 2013. Financial Crisis or Innovation Crisis? Both!. Project Syndicate, May, 2, 2013.

Mees, Heleen. 2013. The Big Wage Squeeze. Project Syndicate, April 23, 2013.

Mees, Heleen. 2013. Transatlantic Strife. Project Syndicate, April 9, 2013.

Mees, Heleen. 2013. Interest Rates Should Take Blame for Recession. Financial Times Economists's Forum, March 1, 2013.

Mees, Heleen. 2013. Go Fitch, Go. Financial Times Economists' Forum.

Mees, Heleen. 2012. Synthesising Views on West's Poor Growth. Financial Times Economists' Forum, 12-12-2012.

Mees, Heleen and Philip Hans Franses. 2012. Approximating the DGP of China's Quarterly GDP. Applied Economics Volume 45, Issue 24, 2013.

Mees, Heleen and Raman Ahmed. 2012. Why Do Chinese Households Save So Much? VoxEU, August 28, 2012.

Mees, Heleen. 2012. PhD-propositions in English and Mandarin Chinese. VoxEU, August 28, 2012.

Mees, Heleen and Raman Ahmed. 2012. Why Do Chinese Households Save So Much? Journal paper on China's household savings rate. This version August 2012. (Under Review).

Mees, Heleen. 2012. The Fed Should Buy Stocks instead of Bonds. Financial Times Economists' Blog, August 6, 2012.

Mees, Heleen. 2012. Changing Fortunes - How China's Boom Caused the Financial Crisis. Ph.D. thesis, August 28, 2012.

Mees, Heleen. 2012. China's Reliable Rise. Project Syndicate, July 25, 2012.

Mees, Heleen. 2012. Evaluating the Global Crisis. Public Administration Review, Volume 72, Issue 6, Pages 779 - 949, November/December 2012.

Mees, Heleen. 2012. Fed Up. Foreign Policy on June 12, 2012.

Mees, Heleen. 2012. Only Germany Can Save Europe. Foreign Policy, April 24, 2012.

Mees, Heleen. 2012. The Zero Man Foreign Policy, April 3, 2012.

Mees, Heleen. 2012. How China's Boom Caused the Financial Crisis. Foreign Policy, January 17, 2012.

Mees, Heleen. 2012. U.S. Monetary Policy and the Housing Bubble. Journal of Monetary Economics. (Under Review).

Mees, Heleen and Philip Hans Franses. 2011. Real Money in China, Money Illusion in America. In VoxEU on November 20, 2011.

Mees, Heleen and Philip Hans Franses. 2011. Are Chinese Individuals Prone to Money Illusion? Tinbergen Institute Discussion Paper No. 11-149/4. (Under Review).

Mees, Heleen. 2011. The Perils of Loose Living. Foreign Policy, October 11, 2011.

Mees, Heleen. 2011. The Global Saving Glut Will Hold Bond Yields Down. In VoxEU on August 8, 2011.

Mees, Heleen. 2011. Lost in Transmission. In VoxEU on June 21, 2011.

Mees, Heleen. 2011. Beware of Runaway Headline Inflation. In VoxEU on May 3, 2011.

Mees, Heleen. 2011. U.S. Monetary Policy and the Saving Glut. In VoxEU on March 24, 2011.

Mees, Heleen. 2011. The False Panacea of Labor Market Flexibility. By Project Syndicate, March 22, 2011.

Franses, Philip Hans and Heleen Mees. 2011. Approximating the DGP of China's Quarterly GDP. By Econometric Institute Research Papers in 2011. (Under Review).

Franses, Philip Hans and Heleen Mees. 2011. Does News on Real Chinese GDP Growth Impact Stock Markets? By Econometric Institute Research Papers in 2011. (Under Review).

Mees, Heleen. 2010. Germany is not China. By Project Syndicate on August 16, 2010.

Mees, Heleen. 2010. Don't Blame the Euro. By EuroIntelligence on June 10, 2010.

Mees, Heleen. 2009. Going Dutch? Not So Fast!. In The New York Times on May 24, 2009.

Mees, Heleen. 2009. Going Dutch? Not So Fast! (extended version). In NRC Handelsblad on May 10, 2009.

Mees, Heleen. 2009. Between Greed and Desire - The World between Wall Street and Main Street.

Mees, Heleen. 2009. Does Legalizing Prostitution Work By Project Syndicate on January 23, 2009.

Mees, Heleen. 2008. Wars against Women. By Project Syndicate on May 26, 2008.

Mees, Heleen. 2008. Why We Must Break the Male Cartel in the Work Place. In the Financial Times on April 23, 2008.

Mees, Heleen. 2007. The Cost of the Gender Gap. By Project Syndicate on August 29, 2007.

Mees, Heleen. 2007. China is Buying Europe. In The International Herald Tribune on July 29, 2007.

Mees, Heleen. 2006. Europe's Leisure Trap. By Project Syndicate on June 23, 2006.

Mees, Heleen and Rick van der Ploeg. 2005. Affirmative Action for Europe. In Le Monde on December 2, 2005.

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(added lines as I want to be clear that the above is not written by me)

Your claims have to be backed up by sources. --TheCockroach (talk) 21:32, 23 April 2014 (UTC) --TheCockroach (talk) 21:33, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

You don't seriously mean that if you can check the source directly, you still need another source. Bmwz3hm (talk) 21:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Source: http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/uncategorized/heleen-mees-citigroups-willem-buiter-demented-girlfriend/ Bmwz3hm (talk) 22:04, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Your claim -- "Journalists for The New York Times (Katrin Bennhold) and The Atlantic (Sharon Lerner) did interview Heleen Mees in the past about her views on women’s issues, but Mees' opinions never made it into any newspaper article because they are considered nothing out of the ordinary in the United States." -- is not backed by any source. --TheCockroach (talk) 22:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

...so how do you know that Heleen Mees was interviewed by those people, Bmwz3hm? --TheCockroach (talk) 22:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, my source obviously is Heleen Mees. I only use it on the talk page, not in the Wikipedia article. But it is not up to me to prove that Heleen Mees was never known for her feminist views outside the Netherlands, it is up to you to show that she was. Bmwz3hm (talk) 22:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Heleen Mees herself told you that? --TheCockroach (talk) 22:47, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The Text doesn't do justice to Heleen Mees's achievements. She is a respected Economist with a global footprint.RUmarAbbasi (talk) 22:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Bmwz3hm's recent edits

I strongly object to Bmwz3hm's recent edit where she undid other people's additions that were sourced. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heleen_Mees&diff=prev&oldid=605517759

Bmwz3hm just added (again) that Mees' "work has been published" in the New York Times.

Heleen Mees has never written for the New York Times. Any reader can write in to the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/29/opinion/29iht-edletmon.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/25/opinion/25iht-edletmon.html

Also, Bmwz3hm edits are totally lacking in consensus. --TheCockroach (talk) 21:47, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The correct way to say it is: Heleen Mees work has been published in The New York Times et cetera, which is how it was in the original article. And sure, anybody can write to The New York Times, but not everybody gets published. Bmwz3hm (talk) 21:57, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Bmwz3hm just re-added "Mees was Adjunct Associate Professor of Economics at New York University's Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service until July 2013." to the lede. It's not important enough to stick in the lede. Mees only worked at the Wagner Graduate School of Public Service from September 2012 to July 2013, and Mees isn't known for that anyway. As talked about in this talk page (where you can click on the sources), she is best known for her feminist writing. --TheCockroach (talk) 22:05, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

If Mees had not been arrested in July 2013 (on charges that are now set for dismissal), she would still be teaching economics at NYU. Bmwz3hm (talk) 01:42, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Honestly, Mees is not best known for her feminist writing. Foreign Policy, NYU, Capital et cetera invited her for her writings on economic issues, not feminist issues. In the world outside the Netherlands nobody ever cited Mees feminist views in an article as being of interest. Bmwz3hm (talk) 22:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Where is your source for the claim that "Foreign Policy, NYU, Capital et cetera invited [Mees] for her writings on economic issues"? And what did they invite Mees to do? --TheCockroach (talk) 22:34, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

My source is Heleen Mees obviously. NYU invited Mees to teach at NYU (course 'Managing Global Economic Crises'). Foreign Policy invited Mees to write for them (magazine plus online magazine). The German magazine Capital also invited Mees to write for them on economic issues. She is a columnist there now. Bmwz3hm (talk) 22:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Please note that using a person as a source for their own biography is problematic and should be done very carefully and rarely. See WP:BLPSELFPUB, where our policy states:

Living persons may publish material about themselves, such as through press releases or personal websites. Such material may be used as a source only if:

1. it is not unduly self-serving;

2. it does not involve claims about third parties;

3. it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject;

4. there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity;

5. the article is not based primarily on such sources.

So that means that we can use Heleen Mees as a source, but only under the circumstances listed above. If it violates any of those 5 criteria it is unacceptable. -- Atama頭 22:55, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Sure, that is perfectly reasonable. I only refer to Mees as a source on the talk page. The fact that Mees writes and teaches economics instead of women's issues in Foreign Policy, Capital and at NYU is easily verifiable through other sources. Bmwz3hm (talk) 22:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Sneaky edit-warring

In light of TheCockroach's objection to the new edits, and what I've just discovered myself, I'm going to revert Bmwz3hm's most recent edits as they constitute some very sneaky edit-warring. Bmwz3hm's first edit today did not revert directly to her previous version,[1] and the next edit was exceptionally minor, albeit being contrary to MOS:LQ,[2] but the next edit was an almost complete reversion to the disputed version that resulted in Bmwz3hm being blocked.[3] This included reintroducing errors into the infobox and was a significant change from Bmwz3hm's first edit today.[4] Subsequent changes were only made to the lead, removing the birth place and inexplicably removing dates from the citation.[5] This is something Bmwz3hm has done in the past,[6] which is why I had to restore it a few days ago.[7] Given that Bmwz3hm's edits today have resulted in an almost complete reversion to the version of the article that resulted in here block,[8] I intend taking this back to WP:AN3 after reverting. --AussieLegend (✉) 02:40, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

It's not edit-warring, and it is certainly not sneaky edit-warring. The talk page clearly explains why the original text is better than the text proposed by Theobald Tiger. If you prefer to have the other text, you have to explain why Mees was teaching economics at NYU (instead of women's issues), and is writing for Foreign Policy, Project Syndicate, Capital et cetera about economic issues instead of women's issues. Bmwz3hm (talk) 03:36, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

As I explained on your talk page, your edits have no consensus and you were blocked because of them. The current version is an almost identical version of those edits. You reverted without first discussing (discussing requires the participation of other editors) despite warnings NOT to do that. --AussieLegend (✉) 04:57, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you start to address my arguments, instead of repeating edit-war, edit-war. There never was consensus on the TT text, so you can't keep reverting to that text as if there was consensus on that text. Bmwz3hm (talk) 06:31, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Bmwz3hm: This section is entitled "Sneaky edit-warring" so that's what it's about. You clearly edit-warred. I believe that consensus was reached for Theobald_Tiger's edits. Look at the history of the Heleen Mees article to see your reverts of everyone else's edits. Look at this talk page to see that I agree with Theobald_Tiger's edits and AussieLegend's edits. Read about what achieving consensus means here and the definition of edit-warring here. --TheCockroach (talk) 07:27, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

There never was consensus on Theobald Tiger's edit, not prior to him replacing the entire text of the Heleen Mees article, nor afterwards. Bmwz3hm (talk) 08:16, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

It is remarkable that Mees' achievemements are summerized in the introduction mainly with repsect to her feminist views, though she has not been explicit on this for the last few years. In the USA she is well known for her contributions about China and the financial crisis. Cvdullemen (talk) 21:46, 24 April 2014 (UTC)