Talk:Britain First

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Islamophobia - Ideaology?

Can "Britain First's" Islamophobia, though undoubtedly existent, be described as ideological? As a point of reference the British National Party has not been given this label in their infobox. Can we not make reference to this tendency elsewhere in the article? Hayek79 (talk) 11:16, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

It has been used in that way in many other articles. Why it's not in the BNP article I don't know, but it's never a good idea to say "article X says..., so therefore article Y should..." - Wikipedia is not always consistent! Emeraude (talk) 11:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree, when it can be proven by source it has been added to other articles. It's absence on the British National Party article is the mistake in this case --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 13:10, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Also, if we are using comparisons, the biggest article example of something like this would be Antisemitism on the Nazi Party article, the contemporary political trendsetter on racist rhetoric and an article that no doubt gets many thousands of hits --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 13:13, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

In any case, it was sourced from a bare-URL ITV story quoting a Labour MP. Due to the nascent nature of the party, we may have to wait a while to get academic papers supporting this as an ideology of the party. '''tAD''' (talk) 12:01, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, personally I think the link sustains, but I've been aware of the group for a while and know that they spend almost all of their time berating Islam. I think it is inaccurate to remove it altogether rather than add a citation needed. In fact, I think it is proven by the content of the article ("it campaigns primarily on what it perceives as the Islamification of the United Kingdom"/"Britain First... campaigns against Islam") and doesn't even necessary need a citation. Do you have a problem with it being there? Should we remove all mention of Islam from the article? Why should we improperly report on the group? --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 12:09, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Did I say that? Did I remove every mention of Islam from the article? Don't be ridiculous. And why haven't you reported their self-proclaimef "invasions" of mosques if you are so accurate? '''tAD''' (talk) 12:27, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

That's a good point, I think that should also be added to the article. What I'm saying is, why did you feel the need to remove it outright when there is evidence in article that it is true, rather than just removing what you think is a bad reference? --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 13:10, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

It was an error, not my POV. '''tAD''' (talk) 13:35, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

I apologise, in that case I'm going to retract some of my comments earlier. The section had been removed twice before then but I shouldn't have assumed bad faith --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 13:47, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2014

The link to the "about us" page on the britain first website is broken 81.108.89.77 (talk) 20:14, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Fixed I have replaced the reference with an archived copy of the webpage from December 2013. Thank you for pointing that out! Mz7 (talk) 20:24, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Dowson a "hardliner" who rejects non-white members

According to the two sources quoted on the page that someone just removed, Dowson groped a female activist which led to his expulsion from the BNP in 2010. In Dowson's own words the accusation was part of a "dirt-tricks campaign" to oust him as a party-hardliner who rejected non-white members: "There is a real power struggle between hardliners and people like Nick Griffin who want to open the party to Asians and other groups". However Dowson recently has been criticizing the BNP as neo-nazi and extreme, and trying to present Britain First as moderate in regards to race issues. I presume the person who removed the sourced quote about Dowson being a hardliner rejecting non-whites is someone from Britain First. Akkadish (talk) 17:44, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Populist photos

Is there any research into what appears to be a coordinated series of interlinked Facebook campaigns using populist photos and slogans ? It seems to be a new vector for publishing their material and I can't seem to find anything commenting on it. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgb62uk (talk • contribs) 08:42, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

This is the nearest thing I've read to it from a reasonable source: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/news-opinion/jade-wright-says-think-twice-7230185 However, there's not really "substance" to what she is saying, and I don't think it would be encyclopedic to say "Jade Wright of the Liverpool Echo stated that Britain First used populist photos showing hanging and D-Day veterans to get likes on Facebook". '''tAD''' (talk) 14:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Full protection for a day

Please calm down, all! Fully protected for 24 hours. Please hash out your disputes here - David Gerard (talk) 12:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

The problem isn't about edit warring or content disputes, but Uncylopedia-style "satire" being inserted into the article by an IP constantly. '''tAD''' (talk) 12:34, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Now the fucking talk page is being vandalised '''tAD''' (talk) 14:22, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

%-D Policy says: "Talk pages are not usually protected, and are only semi-protected for a limited duration in the most severe cases of vandalism." - David Gerard (talk) 15:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

If consensus is to take it back to semi, I have no objection at all - David Gerard (talk) 15:20, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

I saw the one about "Britian First is a joke", was there any other vandalism? AnarchoGhost (talk) 15:44, 11 June 2014 (UTC)