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The result was: '''promoted''' by [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 03:42, 12 July 2014 (UTC)<br /> |
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* ... that in its first months of operation during World War II, '''[[No. 2 Elementary Flying Training School RAAF]]''' lacked such basic amenities as hot water, a kitchen, and a telephone system? |
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:* ''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Scatter the Gold|Scatter the Gold]] |
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<small>Created by [[User:Ian Rose|Ian Rose]] ([[User talk:Ian Rose|talk]]). Self nominated at 13:24, 10 July 2014 (UTC)</small>. |
<small>Created by [[User:Ian Rose|Ian Rose]] ([[User talk:Ian Rose|talk]]). Self nominated at 13:24, 10 July 2014 (UTC)</small>. |
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:* [[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] New enough. Long enough. QPQ done. NPOV. Well-cited, including the good hook. The hook is cited by a primary source, but there is no reason to believe it is not reliable. Spot checks reveal no close paraphrasing or copyvios. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 10:49, 11 July 2014 (UTC) |
:* [[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] New enough. Long enough. QPQ done. NPOV. Well-cited, including the good hook. The hook is cited by a primary source, but there is no reason to believe it is not reliable. Spot checks reveal no close paraphrasing or copyvios. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 10:49, 11 July 2014 (UTC) |
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:*Since the source (actual images of "Operations Record Book" pages) is available online, [[User:EEng|EEng]], it's easy enough to check that among the items listed in the "Main deficiencies at 31/1/40:" section are "No kitchen, hot water services, street lighting." and "No telephone system." I'll leave it to you to unwind the pull. (If it's the word "amenities" that you're objecting to, it's an easy change to something like "items".) [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 01:49, 12 July 2014 (UTC) |
:*Since the source (actual images of "Operations Record Book" pages) is available online, [[User:EEng|EEng]], it's easy enough to check that among the items listed in the "Main deficiencies at 31/1/40:" section are "No kitchen, hot water services, street lighting." and "No telephone system." I'll leave it to you to unwind the pull. (If it's the word "amenities" that you're objecting to, it's an easy change to something like "items".) [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 01:49, 12 July 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Before I pulled I tried to find the source online -- can you provide a link? And yes, I said straight out that it's the phrase ''basic amenities'' I find problematic, because I was pretty sure that at World War II Australian training camps hot water and telephones were "basic amenities" about as much as [http://www.lyricsmania.com/this_is_the_army_mr_jones_lyrics_irving_berlin.html complementary turndown service and chocolates on the pillows]. And no, I won't unwind the pull, because this kind of nonsense SYNTH is the bread and butter of what's wrong with DYK; the nom and reviewer should come up with a new hook that's actually supported by the source and is more interesting than that army trainees somewhere were brutalized with cold showers. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng|talk]]) 06:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC) |
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::*Promoting again per above; have changed "amenities" to "items" in the hook since EEng seems to find it problematic. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 03:42, 12 July 2014 (UTC)</div></noinclude><!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.--> |
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No. 2 Elementary Flying Training School RAAF
- ... that in its first months of operation during World War II, No. 2 Elementary Flying Training School RAAF lacked such basic amenities as hot water, a kitchen, and a telephone system?
- Reviewed: Scatter the Gold
Created by Ian Rose (talk). Self nominated at 13:24, 10 July 2014 (UTC).
- With the most profound apologies if this turns out to be a false alarm, I've pulled this from prep because it sets my Spidey Sense tingling, in that I'm skeptical that the source describes hot water and telephones as "basic amenities" at a 1940 flying school in Queensland (or wherever it was -- that article's very confusing what with No. 3 being disbanded in Victoria to form No. 2 after No. 1 1/2 was added to No. 1/2 in New South Wales...). I'd like to hear a quote from the secondary source. EEng (talk) 01:25, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
- Since the source (actual images of "Operations Record Book" pages) is available online, EEng, it's easy enough to check that among the items listed in the "Main deficiencies at 31/1/40:" section are "No kitchen, hot water services, street lighting." and "No telephone system." I'll leave it to you to unwind the pull. (If it's the word "amenities" that you're objecting to, it's an easy change to something like "items".) BlueMoonset (talk) 01:49, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
- Before I pulled I tried to find the source online -- can you provide a link? And yes, I said straight out that it's the phrase basic amenities I find problematic, because I was pretty sure that at World War II Australian training camps hot water and telephones were "basic amenities" about as much as complementary turndown service and chocolates on the pillows. And no, I won't unwind the pull, because this kind of nonsense SYNTH is the bread and butter of what's wrong with DYK; the nom and reviewer should come up with a new hook that's actually supported by the source and is more interesting than that army trainees somewhere were brutalized with cold showers. EEng (talk) 06:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)