Talk:Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest

Cleanup

Crying out loud, that's some messy grammar. I've done a little to help, but I'll be damned if I'll do it all. Anyone care to lend a hand? ;D 68.225.240.87 09:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Mzprizz32 03:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)I agree that the beginning of this article was totally unnecessary! Children do read this stuff!

Did the Chinese ban Pirates?

G4 mentioned something about this earlier. That the government thought its citizenry "couldn't handle" the film. Anyone know if this is true or have any form of verification? --AWF

How to use Jone's Heart

Crystaliser I understand why they want his heart: One wants it for its power, one wants it to regain honour and statue and one wants revenge for family. What i dont understand is how can you use the heart, can you control jones with it or somthing? or is it just blackmailing jones once you have it?

• That's how I understood it, I mean, if it can destroy him it must be of great value and that would be an excellent bartering chip or blackmail opportunity. ShadowUltra 15:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC

• It's important beause its Davy Jones' heart and he can't live without it. Will wants to stab/kill it so davy Jones will die and 'Bootstap Bill' will be free; Jack wants to threaten Davy jones and say that he'll kill it unless Davy counts his debt as repayed and calls off the Kraken, that's why he won't let Will kill it because if Davy Jones dies before he can call of the Kraken it will be chasing jack for the rest of his life. Norrington wants it to give to the East India Trade company guy so he can get a job there and the East India Trade Company guy wants it because whoever has the heart basically rules the seas eg: Davy Jones has to do everything whoever has the heart wants him to do because if he doesn't they might kill the heart, thus killing him. it's simple--JG ROX 03:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Crystaliser Ok so all he can do with the heart is blackmail, then it is really stupid, if you do the ordering right all three of them can do what they want, Jack first clears his debt with jone, then Norrington can make a deal with the crown saying if he gets his position back the India trade company will be safe at the sea and jones will be gone forever , finally will goes ahead and stabs the heart. wha-la all three (four infact) get what they want.

What I originally thought was that one who controls the heart can control Jones not by blackmail but somehow alter his thinking or something, this way they can summon the kraken at will etc, blackmail wise then like i said at the top it can be reslove quite easily.

Yeah but it's Jack, Will and Norington's fault if they're all stupid. I agree if they just worked together it would be a lot more simple but there would still be the small Elizabeth problem (they also all want her). Really killing one another over the heart is to them benfitial in both ways, eg: they will get the others out of the way so they can do whatever they want to do with the heart and they will get the others out of the way so they can do whatever they want with Elizabeth (assuming she lets herself become an object more than a person and is just fine having her fioncé possibly being killed by or killing her ex and Jack who she seems to nurse a large 'soft spot' for)--JG ROX 04:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, no - both Jack and the East India Company want the heart so they will permanently control the sea. For that to work, they have to keep Jones alive, so that he will protect their ships and destroy/attack those of their enemies. Thus their goals are mutually exclusive - Jack and the EIC aren't going to want to share power, and if Will destroys the heart, he ruins Jack and/or the EIC's control of the seas. --Tim4christ17 08:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that Jack wants to "permanently" control the seas, wouldn't that take all of the fun out of being a pirate? I just think Jack wants to be able to go back to his 'happy go lucky' life: 'raiding, piliaging and plundering people's weazly black guts out'. I think he just wants to be able to go back to having fun and stealing treasure and seducing women etc.--JG ROX 22:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• I agree with JG, cause in the end if Jone dies, he being the main threat to EIC and all the other pirates, means if he dies then Jack will be one of the top pirates around without being permanently in control of the sea. With the black pearl (ask jone to summon it back before killing him?) he has the best ship around, the EIC will have less troubles in the sea and Jack can somehow back them up (ie: dont touch them or i'll hunt you down) and will gets his father back...lol Crystaliser

The Monkey

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Why is the monkey still cursed> shouldnt it have been lifted at the end of the first movie?

After the credits in the first movie there is a scene where you see Jack (the monkey) picking up a piece of Aztec Gold and in effect re-cursing himself---JG ROX 01:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

But to still be cursed, the Jack the monkey has to carry that coin around with him at all times, or at least keep it away from the rest of the horde. Minglex 17:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily, Bootstrap Bill stayed cursed even when he sent the coin to Will. Obsessed

To be cursed all anyone needs to do is to take a coin out of the chest; to un-curse themself they need to return all the pieces and repay blood from everyone who took a piece of trasure out of the chest. that's why in 'The Curse Of The Black Pearl' Barbossa's crew are still cursed even before they get all of the treasure back, its also why everyone they sold it to didn't get cursed. So all the monkey had to do was pick up a piece of treasure and put it down again, as long as he didn't bleed in the chest after he took the treasure out of the chest he'll be cursed no matter what until he re-pays his blood.--JG ROX 03:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

i didnt see any of Barbossas crewman cut themselves and repay the blood. so whats the sense in that? (Cablebfg 23:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

They'd been cursed for, what, a decade by then? That's plenty of time for each of them to cut themselves with each coin retrieved. 68.225.240.87 09:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, after reading the plot of Curse of the Black Pearl, i see that it does require spilt blood from all that have taken from the cursed treasure. So yes, until Jack (the monkey) spills its own blood, the curse will stay with him. (Cablebfg 23:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

• Also i read on the 'Jack the Monkey' information that after the first film and before the second one there was a storm and the chest was washed away with all of the gold pieces. So for Jack (the Monkey) to become un-imortal he'd need to return all of the pieces of gold into the chest (remembering that the gold has been spread across kilometres of ocean floor) and give his own blood back.--JG ROX 21:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

In short, not likely to happen. 68.225.240.87 09:03, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Back To Back

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The filmmakers are shooting the two sequels back-to-back, à la The Matrix Reloaded and The Matrix Revolutions as well as Back to the Future Part II and Part III. Because of this, filming is not expected to end until December 2005.

Back to the Future <--- ?

68.100.161.83 02:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Back to the Future Part II and Back to the Future Part III. As the wikipedia stage for Part II states, the second and third parts of the trilogy were filmed at the same time and released six months apart. Kaellana 22:07, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

It was the same with Lord of the Rings 'The Two Towers' and 'Return of the King'--JG ROX 03:52, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

SPOILERS

Template:Spoiler Someone said that inside the chest is Davy Jones' heart (because his lover leaved him and he is so heartbroken and tore it out...), is that true? Chrisyu357 13:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes. This was revealed in an article back in December. [1] Myrana13 14:45, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, but just another question: Did Barbossa's crew joined Jack's crew? Cause I saw Pintel in one scene of the trailer when Will Turner said "Never mind, let's go." Chrisyu357 11:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Only Pintel and Raggetti, I would think. The others can't be seen anywhere in the new trailer and it's just them, Jack, Will, Liz and the crew from Tortuga. -Captain Jack

The fact that Barbossa is in this movie should be considered a SPOILER. Geoffrey Rush is not listed in the credits. It is a major plot twist at the end of the film. I am removing the information from the main page.

-Spoilers are allowed, but should be under the spoilers tag. Anyway, it's only the comedy duo and Barbossa who re-appear. Oh well. Fishies Plaice 23:53, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

How'd he die?

First somebody said Jack Sparrow was murdered by Barbossa. Then somebody said that his ship was sunk by a Kraken and he drowned. So which one is it?ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 20:57, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Um...when did Jack Sparrow die?? I mean, Barbossa comes back and the Kraken is real, but nowhere has anyone said Jack dies. Besides, it would be the dumbest thing that Disney could do, seeing as he is the entire life and soul of the movie; no-one, and I mean no-one would come to see the third one. And post a siggy next time please, I hate talking to someone who I don't have the slightest clue whether its the same person or not Fshy93 22:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea, and am curious to that, myself. They'd better not let him die. I'm a huge Jack fan, and if they do I'm personally hunting down Ted and Terry ¬¬ –Obsessed

Hmmmm....I'm a Jack fan also, so I did a bit of research, and the rumors state that the Pearl is sunk by a Kraken and he drowned, and the third movie is about somehow saving Jack's soul by going to some weird underworld...sounds like a lame plot to me, so I'm hoping it doesn't happen. Fshy93 22:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

That would make a horrible plot. And I don't see why Barbossa has to come back at all... –Obsessed

I agree, i seems silly that Barbossa is back becuse the whole point of the first movie was to get rid of him (Barbossa), wasn't it? i used to be a Jack fan but i think he's so cruel ruining, or at least endangering, Will and Elizabeth's marriage/love- --JG ROX 01:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Also i get the feeling that Jack isn't dead, in Cavern of Fear (Deltora Quest) there is a similar monster and its only weak point is its mouth- --JG ROX 01:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

SPOILER: Davy Jones takes Jack's soul as payment for some debt and the third movie is about Will trying to recover the soul. At least, this is what I read somewhere what I can't remember where.

I read in the novel that the Kraken kills Jack, and Davy takes his soul. Movie three is where they go and take Jack's soul back. Davy does survive! And so does Bootstrap Bill.

- Jack is killed by the Kraken, the Black Pearl is destroyed. In film 3 they must go to the ends of the earth to get him back- with Barbossa as their captain. Fishies laice 23:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

• Jack is eaten by the Kraken and then the Kraken goes on to destroy the black pearl. Jack does get his hat back though

• Jack's soul is obviously going to be saved in the next film if they say johnny depp is going to be in the next one. they cant kill him, that would be stupid of disney. but yes, for some reason jack jumped into the kraken's mouth and i guess he died. and then next movie is about them going to the end of the world to save jacks soul with the help of barbosa from the first movie. i read that the next movie comes out MAY 28TH 2007. and will be called PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: AT WORLD'S END -- -piratelover004

CORRECTION- No one know what its going to be called next, on the encyclopedia page it has the two names that Disney is most likey to use for the name of the next Pirates of the Caribbean--JG ROX 03:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

WHOA!

This movie seems so much darker than the first one. I'm kind of dissapointed that the filmakers would make this movie like this...

I know, it seemed like a perfect ending of the first one, but I'm still anxious to see the sequels –Obsessed

This movie is one of the best movies i've seen this whole year..Bar none. it is way darker than is predecesser and has at least twice the action. The romance between Will and Elizabeth is slightly cooled in this film, which is dissapointing because you dearly wished for them to be together in the last film, but the diliema Elizabeth goes through with her feelings is almost a plot on it's own. The special effects are amazing, you'll be thrown back in your seat by some of the Flying dutchman Crew. I have to say though, most of the comedy in this movie is based on inside jokes, so if you hadn't seen the first one, you might not catch the humor (like the rum jokes) but it will keep you laughing. Go see this movie it is something you will want to see in theaters. -hillary g.

It was a great movie, but i thought it was really confusing. I mean does Elizabeth like Jack or is the compass pointing to the chest and Jack happens to be standing in that direction? I loved POC1 (Pirates Of the Caribbean 1)but it just seems like so much has changed between the end of that and the beginning of Dead Mans Chest.

1- Will and Jack were like really good friends and they could almost know wht the other one was going to do next in POC1 but in POC2 they're like almost enemies

2- In POC1 Jack and Will team up against Norington so why don't they in POC2???

3- I sort of interpret the sword fight over the Dead Man's Chest (just beore they are on the water wheel) to also be over Elizabeth but then why don't they pay any attention to her?

4- Gibbs isn't nearly as obsessed with luck as he s in POC1

5- Elizabeth and Will don't seem to have become at all closer than they were in the first one.

6- In POC1 Jack doesn't really seem very interested on Elizabeth, i mean when they're on the island he sort of tries to seduce her but when she burns the rum he decides he hates her doesn't he? So why is he so interested in her in POC2?

7- POC1 was really funny, i watched it about five times in the cinemas and when i got the dvd i watched it at least twice a week and everyday in the holidays and it is still hilarious but POC2 doesn't seem to have as many jokes. i mean in POC1 there's like the serious scene where Elizabeth is a child and then it goes on to the funny one with Jack, i was expecting something similar with POC2 and i suppose the bit where Jack breaks out of the coffin is supposed to be like that but it just doesn't have the same effect on you. POC2's jokes are funnier but there aren't as many.

8- Does anyone else see an obvious similarity between the bit in the cages and the bit in the water wheel? in both scenes people are just rolling around in circles! i think the cage bit was funny but the water wheel bit went on for too long.

9- Now just to warn you im like completely obsessed with the Will, Elizabeth, Jack triangle so forgive me if i go on about it for too long. ok, Jack likes Elizabeth and Elizabeth thinks she might like Jack; Will likes Elizabeth and tries to be friends with Jack (i say tries because Jack doesn't seem to want to be friends with Will anymore); Elizabeth is Will's almost wife so you'd assume she likes him. so why does Jack suddenly want to take Elizabeth from Will? In POC1 as i've already said, Jack and Will are like best friends in a crazy sort of way; they know what the other one is planning (eg: when Jack tricks Barbosa at the end of POC1 and he and Will 'kill' him and some of his crew) so how come Jack like hates Will in POC2

10- Jack seems to sort of loose his 'happy go lucky' personality, he's still funny, but not nearly as much as he is in POC1

Also if you've read Deltora Quest (Emily Rodda) there is a certian similarity between the 'Fear' (Cavern of Fear) and the Kraken. The scene near the end where Jack is on the Black Pearl and the Kraken comes out of the water and you see its mouth you're supposed to assume it eats him. But in Deltora Quest Cavern of Fear the Fear's only weak point is its mouth, any similarity???? Also Barbosa is still alive right... in the first movie they say "captained by a man so evil that hell itself spat him back out" why couldn't it have spat him out again? I mean it seems a bit far fetched but it does make sense. I guess you're supposed to assume the freaky witch lady brought him back to life, but why couldn't he have been spat out of hell again? Maybe i'm the only person who thought it was confusing but seriously, lots of things seem way different in Dead Man's Chest, if you know the answer to my previous questions please tell me!! All in all Dead Man's Chest is really good, if you haven't seen it it's the second best movie eva!!! (the original is always the best!!!)- --JG ROX 01:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm going to try to answer nearly all of those, me being the obsessive crazed fan I am.

1. Will and Jack become enemies because they both want the chest for their own purposes. And I suppose it started earlier even that all Will wanted was Jack's compass, and he wasn't about to give that away.

2. Norrington isn't too much of a threat any longer. He isn't chasing down Jack to hang him like he is in the first, and being that Jack and Will are sort of against eachother, they can't team up just to fight Norrington.

3. I didn't find the fight to be over Elizabeth in the slightest. Jack, Will, and Norrington are each fighting over the chest for their own reasons. Jack, to get Davy Jones to call off the Kraken, Will to remove his father from servitude, and Norrington to give it to Cutler Beckett and become a lawful privateer.

4. Eh, I rather agree with you there, so no answers here.

5. Well, they weren't near eachother for the first half of the film, and in the second half they had to focus on fighting thr Kraken.

6 & 9. I believe Will and Elizabeth both definately love eachother. I think that Jack's just being his womanizing, seductive self since Elizabeth happens to be the only woman around him in the film. As for Elizabeth and the compass pointing at Jack... I really am not sure, she's probably just drawn the Jack like every other woman.

7. I certainly found the jokes in Dead Man's Chest funny, but I think they were just trying to match what they did in Curse of the Black Pearl. That didn't make it any less funny, though.

8. They were both rather similar, but I didn't have a problem with it.

10. It's difficult to be happy when the ruler of the depths is after your soul, I think Jack stayed in good character in this film. –Obsessed

Plot removal

The plot may be subject to copyright and should not be added to the article. Publishing key elements of a work that has not been commercially released yet is not fair use, see Harper & Row v. Nation Enterprises. --Michael Snow 06:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Though probably not illegal, especially considering the book's own revelations, it seems inconsiderate to post the film's final plot while the film is still in theaters. I may be alone in this, but it seems rational to allow a finished work to have its day in the sun before it is deconstructed so plainly. Just a thought. --Spesek 21:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

summary

http://wherestherum.com/bookspoilers.html is a full summary P.h 17:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)p.hP.h 17:42, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Someone read it! P.h 13:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)p.hP.h 13:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Plot

The novel isout that should tell us the plot. Jamhaw 20:44, 17 May 2006 (UTC)jamhaw

New Logo

I heard on YouTube that a new Disney logo will debut before the film. Could somebody find more information on this? 24.207.210.139 22:38, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It mentions it here.

This links to a page that has been removed. Suggesting removal of link. Thanks. --Spesek 21:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Keith Richards

It says that Keith Richards might be playing "Bootstrap Bill" Turner in the 3rd movie, but the actual article on the character claims that the role has been awarded to Stellan Skarsgård. I don't know if that's true or not, but obviously either this article or the other is wrong. JesperLærke 20:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Skarsgård is Bloom's father, Richards is Depp's father. Or their characters are, anyway. Fishies Plaice 23:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

My two cents

Just got back about an hour ago and I can say much written here is correct. I can also say I loved it. However....I have some theories as to what is to come....(WARNING! AVERT YOUR EYES IF YOU HAVEN'T GONE TO A LATE NIGHT PREVIEW AS I HAVE! SPOILERS FOLLOW HERE!!!!!)

1) I think that Davy Jones's heart is going to be a lot more than the British East India Company bargained for....the kraken WILL be back....and Norrington will summarily @£$£@@$ himself, but not before realizing that the British East India Company does not have his or anyone's best interests at heart.

2) Captain Jack is not dead. Just "hibernating." Disney would not be stupid enough to completely 86 him since he is the biggest box office draw they have had in years, and I think we shall see him again, soon. Furthermore, I think the Black Pearl may either be rebuilt in the next film or it is residing wherever Jack went at the end of this one. 3) Barbossa is going to be one hell of a guy to contend with as a captain, especially since he tried to kill most of the main players in the first one. Keep a weather eye open.

4) We never really do find out what deal Elizabeth's father made on her behalf.....this will be important, I think.

5) The backstory to Davy Jones's heart being in the chest in the first place I have a feeling is a foreshadowing of things to come with Elizabeth and Will. (If you saw your woman "betray" you with a pirate, wouldn't a seed of doubt be planted in your heart as to her heart being true? Will the compass betray Elizabeth in the future?

6) Does anyone remember the rhyme from Treasure Island? (Fifteen men on a dead man's chest.....drink and the devil hath done for the rest......) It could be a clue as to how Davy Jones will wind up...

7) And on top of it all, they are going to squeeze in Jack Sparrow's dad. Hmm, sounds to me like Barbossa is going to have a crewmember suspiciously similar in temperment to one eyeliner wearing pirate with a bad case of ataxia. shadowcat60 4:00, 7 July 2006 (EST)

Also, interestingly, they say we're going to find out more about Jack's past dealings with the East India Trading Company. Maybe this will explain exactly why the compass wouldn't point one way for him? Fishies Plaice 10:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

This is just my opinion but the compass obviously doesn't point one way because Jack's indecisive about what he 'most desires'. i think its between Elizabeth and... something else. If you watch the scene where he's rowing away fom the pearl (near the end of the movie) he looks at the compass before he turns around and comes back, im almost positive its pointing to Elizabeth (or it could be pointing to the Pearl, but i doubt it).- --JG ROX 01:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe Jack's compass is pointing to the Pearl. Think about it, he spent ten years trying to get her back after the mutiny. You can tell afterward that it really breaks his heart to say abandon ship. --Obsessed 01:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Answer to number 4) The deal they make is that Governor Swann continues to send messages saying that everything is fine and if he does the EIC will make sure that Elizabeth isn't hurt when they kill Jack and the crew of the Pearl.--211.27.45.64 06:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Cthulhu+Dr. Zoidberg

I've never actually read any of Lovecraft, but have found out some of the details about Cthulhu from various parodies, such as the webcomic "Hello Cthulhu". Davy Jones' appearance looks a bit similar to him (facial tentacles, of course), and I think a lot of this movie's audience might think similar things. But I didn't see any info about Lovecraftian inspiration on the IMDB page for this movie, at least not yet. I don't want to add anything because that would probably be considered original research. What do others have to say?

A bit closer to home, there are anatomical similarities between Davy Jones and Dr. Zoidberg from Futurama as well (facial tentacles as well as claw hands). Again, what do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andyjay729 (talk • contribs)

The facial tentacles are kind of familiar, as is the desire for souls and the dwelling at the bottom of the sea. But Cthulu is a lot larger- bigger than the kraken, probably, and winged. So the similarities are stretched a bit... Fishies Plaice 19:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I think Davy jones is basically the stereo-typical sea monster (no i don't mean a dinosaur looking thing). Facial tenicles and an obsession with other people's souls definately aren't new 'monster' features. I don't think Davy Jones is copied from cthulhu but his looks and obsessions aren't new to humaniod-seamonster characters. The whole facial tentacles thing seems so similar and i have no idea who Lovecraft is and i've only watched one episode of futurama ever, so i think he's just a stereo-typical sea-lord guy who anyone can know is evil at first sight--JG ROX 04:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

the highest opening weekend?

I believe the statement about the possibility of this becoming both the highest opening day and highest opening weekend could be phrased to include the fact that Revenge of the Sith was the highest opening day before DMC beating it. Revenge of the Sith had prevoiusly beaten spiderman already for the highest opening day but not for the opening weekend. Just my 2 cents NeoXtremeX 07:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of cannibal island. When Jack was chief of the tribe of natives. What was it that they put around his neck? He took a bite of it - I could not figure out what it was and now I have a bet with a friend. Can anyone help me with this? Sympson

Those were a bunch of fingers, laced into a necklace, mostly looking similar to thumbs, and i believe he either bit a part of the nail (cuticle) or probably the dead skin off of the thumb. (Cablebfg 23:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

No they're toes, if you don't believe me check the Visual Guide.--JG ROX 06:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Island jack escapes from at the beginning

The island shown at the beginning of the movie. What is it? At the beginning of the movie you see jack's first mate drinking and singing, and then the camera pans to a firey hell looking island that finally stops at a bunch of workers dumping caskets into the sea from which jack is shown to be in one and escapes.What is the name of that island? Most of the island in the movies are based off of real islands and locations (except for some of the islands of myth.)

Just one of Jack's usual silly and random adventures, just like how he got on the cannibal island and taking that boat in the first film.

Yeah but most locations in the movie are based off of actual islands. It seems to be a sort of penal colony...can anyone elaborate?

I thoutght it bore a more than passing resemblance to Château d'If. --Musha 01:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's supposed to be real... that arching stone bridge fifty metres up looks quite unlikely. In the preview, it was shown right before Davy Jones' church organ scene, so I'd assumed it was his base or something. Of course I was wrong. And I'm a little disappointed that it wasn't explained. Battle Ape 03:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

The official site calls it "Turkish Prison," but Turkey is too far away...

Ninja review

I think this reviewon askaninja.com is worth a mention. I assume it is tongue in cheek (on account of the Pirates versus Ninjas meme), but as I have not yet seen the film, I can't be sure. Colossus 86 12:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Time

When does this movie take place, in relation to the first? I assume it's a few months after? - 81.151.191.50 18:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I also was a little unsure of the timing but you'd assume it's about 6+months after 'Curse of the Black Pearl'. It would take about that long for Will to propose and for the wedding to be planned--JG ROX 04:01, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

It had to have been about a year because Jack explains that he was captain of the Black Pearl for two years before he was mutinied, then, as we know, he got the Pearl back ten years later. Leaving one year after the events of the first film for Dead Man's Chest to take place. --Obsessed 01:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Same island?

Were the following islands... a) The cannibals' island b) Jamaican chick's island c) Island where the Dead Man's Chest was buried ...all supposed to be the same? Because Jack was reluctant to go over open water when they left the cannibal island, and at the end of the movie the survivors of the Pearl somehow made it back to the Jamaican chick's place in that little rowboat (which they could not possibly cross a sea in). Battle Ape 03:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I know Dead Mans Chest island was seperate but i think 'Jamaican chick's' (or as i say 'freaky witch lady's) island might have been the same one as the cannibal one for these reasons: Same island- you don't see them travelling through open water between the cannibals and the witch lady/////Different island- you'd think all of the people watching them from the shore would try and take Jack again, no one (except possibly [Captain]Jack Sparrow) would be stupid enough to stay on an island where there are crazy cannibals chasing after you so they can cook and eat you.--JG ROX 05:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I do agree it seems impossible for the survivors to make it a long way from the Pearl wreckage to the witch lady in a rowboat, but maybe Jack just stayed in one general area so he was never far from land--JG ROX 04:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Barbossa's Apple Obsession

has anyone else noticed how Barbossa seems to have a strange obsession with green apples. In the the first Pirates of the Caribbean when he offers Elizabeth an apple she thinks it's poisoned. This may serve a part in his obsession but seriously! Also in Curse of the Black Pearl, we get the clue that the apple is poisoned because of the 'Snow White apple superstition', but in the time where the film is set Snow White hadn't yet been written, why does Elizabeth think the apple is poisoned and not the wine or any other food?--JG ROX 05:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

In the first film, Elizabeth noticed that Barbossa wasn't eating anything and kept offering her food. It was only when he offered her the apple that she realised that the food might be poisoned. --Obsessed 00:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

In the first film, he mentions that all he wants to do is be able to TASTE the green apple, so in the second film he is seen finally eating the apple and obviously enjoying it as he can now taste the apple. also, when Elizabeth is first offered the apple (first film), this was the first time Barbossa had ever offered any food item to Elizabeth, so after that she seems to relax and doesnt fear that he poisoned any other food, because i believe he ends up taking a bite out of that green apple he offered her. correct me if im wrong. (Cablebfg 19:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

In the first film Barbossa can't eat so he can't eat apple he offers Elizabeth. It's not the first consumable item he offers to Elizabeth because he says "try the wine (Barbossa pours wine into her glass and Elizabeth drinks) and the apples, one of those next" then Elizabeth says "it's poisoned" but why does she think the apple is poisoned and not the wine?--JG ROX 22:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I see, well, im not sure, they break it down in the Captain Barbossa article though. (Cablebfg 23:34, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

He also says somewhere in the first movie that the first thing he's going to do when the curse is broken is "eat a bushel of apples".

Monkey Island Refrences

Was it just me, or was the part where Jack used a coffin for a make-shift boat(at the start of the film) a refrence to the game Monkey Island 2? Given, the Monkey Island series has admittedly drawn influence from the PotC Disneyland ride...I don't know if there's a boat-coffin in said ride, but if there isn't, could this be a shout-out to the Monkey Island series?--BrotherEstapol 12:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Without a citation to a comment by the filmmakers acknowledging the reference, it can't be in the article per WP:NOR. -- MisterHand 13:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

If you read the information on each particular character you will find that there is suggested to be similarties between PotC and Monkey Island games.--JG ROX 05:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Quotes

The quotes section has been moved to the more appopriate venue, wikiquote. You can continue to expand and edit it there: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_Dead_Man%27s_Chest -- MisterHand 17:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Music Box

Does anyone know what the tune of Davy Jones's music box is called? Or if it was just a made up tune for the film? --Obsessed 00:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

It explains it a little bit in the Davy Jones' Music Box article but i think it was just made up for the film. --JG ROX 02:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

the real truth about who likes who.

--68.74.165.189 02:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)Ä ok, I might go on a little bit so bear with me. Will obviosly is madly in love with elizabeth in the 1st movie. And he is in the 2nd one too.elizabeth is also in love to will in the 1st movie as well. and she is in love with him in the 2nd one too. but jack sparrow is in love with elizabeth so in the 2nd one he tries to use his charming fashion to try to get elizabeth to love him. But elizabeth loves will and nothings going to stop that. and will loves elizabeth so nothing is going to stop that. The only reason why elizabeth kissed jack is because she had to get him handcuffed so he could get his dept repayed. elizabeth did not mean for will to see her kissing Jack. so will was hurt and thought she betrayed him. but she realy didn't. So all will needs to learn is that elizabeth didn't betray him. and that's the REAL TRUTH.

              as68.74.165.189 02:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the first bit: Will loves Elizabeth. I agree with the second bit: Elizabeth loves Will. BUT...

      1- what makes you so sure that Elizabeth won't betray Will for Jack?
      2- What makes you so sure Elizabeth only kissed Jack to hancuff him?
      3- What makes you so sure that you're one hudered percent correct with all of what you've said?

I'm sorry but i think it looks like all of that was assumed, i think you underestimate the many ways people can love eachother in, i think you underestimate the effect of Jack's charm on Elizabeth and i think you underestimate just how far some people will go to prove that whatever they are really feeling isn't found out by others, eg: Elizabeth might have handcuffed Jack to the Black pearl to attempt to prove to herself that she loved Will more than she loved Jack. But the compass does point to your 'true desire' and if it was pointing to Jack (as we assume it was) Elizabeth could love him.--JG ROX 02:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, see I believe that Jack doesn't really love Elizabeth. I think he's just being his usual womanizing, seductive self. I think Elizabeth only felt a, well, drawing to Jack because, let's face it, Jack's the master of seduction. There were probably many others before Elizabeth. And as Jack said, "...my first and only love is the sea." --Obsessed 05:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok i'm fine with POV (point of view) but just to correct you, unless you think you know better, Jack is NO WAY the master of seduction. --JG ROX 05:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe I know better, but who's to say, eh? --Obsessed 00:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Davy Jones' Voice

When i first heard Davy Jones' voice it sounded really high pitched, i thought that maybe that was just in comparison to someones voice that you'd heard before that was really low but as Dead man's Chest continued i had to hold back laughted whenever Davy Jones spoke, his voice was one that you'd imagine for a goldfish or something.--JG ROX 02:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Influences section moved due to original research

The Influences section contains no citations and appears to be original research, so I've moved it here until full citations are provided.

The removed section is found below. -- MisterHand 13:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Influences

The film's plot is loosely based on that of the ancient Greek myth The Odyssey, attributed to Homer. Consider:

• Jack Sparrow, the protagonist and wandering sea captain, analogous to Odysseus.
• The cannibals of the island, who have trapped and intend to eat Jack and his crew, as the Cyclops Polyphemus.
• Davy Jones as an analogue of Poseidon, Lord of the Ocean, whose wrath for Jack Sparrow/ Odysseus drives the plot.
• Tia Dalma as an analogue of Calypso, a witch isolated in her island home and former lover of Jack Sparrow/ Odysseus. This is also a probable reason for the working title of Pirates of the Carribean 3 being "Calypso's Fury".
• Will Turner as the travelling young adventurer, attempting to save his father, as Telemachus did.
• Many of Jack Sparrow's crew are taken by the Kraken, just as Odysseus' are by Scylla. Just as Odysseus didn't warn his crew of the sea monster threat, neither did Jack.

The movie also shows other influences:

• Will Turner's game of dice with Davy Jones is similar to the famous game of chess with Death in The Seventh Seal.

Similarity to Koschei

I just added a section to the article noting the similarity between Davy Jone's heart in the chest and Koschei the Immortal from the famous Russian folk tale. His soul is hidden separate from his body inside a needle, which is in an egg, which is in a duck, which is in a hare, which is in an iron chest, which is buried under a green oak tree, which is on the island of Buyan, in the ocean.

I think necessary body parts being separated from the body isn't anwhere near a new thing. The evil guy is always missing his hand or eye or brain or eart all soul (infact, lots of people in movies seem to be missing their brains). In Harry Potter there are horcruxes (pieces of Voldemort's soul) and that's just lately. --JG ROX 05:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

While this is interesting, unfortunately it is also original research, and as such I've removed it from the article. -- MisterHand 13:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The Lockets

Didnt Davy Jones and Tia Dalme have the same lockets because the movie seems to imply something like Tia is connected to Davy Jones in some way like she is the one he loved or related and the third movies had a draft name of Calypsos Furry well Calypso might be his love or Tia might be or be related to Calypso and i think Jones heart is going to be more then then norrington and them bargained for and i think maybe what happened to davy jones will happen to Will like in star wars when grievouse was what anakin would turn in to or vice versa and tia dalma new far to much about davy jones and death. please post on my user talk[2]

i cant remember where, but i have read that the locket of Davy Jones and Tia Dalma are similar, (girl/boy) if not the same... (Cablebfg 20:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)) I saw the movie the monday after it came out and my neice said the locket looked like it had a mermaid on it

The lockets are the same, it says on the 'locket' article. the locket's have a face on them, i have a pic and its not exactly a mermaid. its hard to explain it all because disney hasn't released the information yet. Tia Dalma and Davy Jones are thought to be connected in some way (Davy loved Tia?) and finally Tia Dalma might be Calypso nobody's sure. --JG ROX 05:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

can you put up a link to the picture--Goren of the stone 20:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Quickest to $200 Million

I was watching Entertainment Tonight the other day (not the most reliable, I know), but they stated that this movie has been the quickest to reach $200 million. (And I didn't mistake 200 for 100) Anyone know if there is any truth to this? Jondy 02:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It was indeed the fastest to reach $200 million, as shown here, and it will likely be the quickest to $300 million as well, since it's already already made $266 in just 11 days (Star Wars III currently holds the record, having made $300 million in 17 days). That site, Box Office Mojo, is a good place to go to to check on the box office status of movies both new and old. --From Andoria with Love 09:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Barbossa's back?

I thoght that Barbossa died in the first movie. Can anyone explain this for me?

Wikipedia is not a forum. Find a forum. Minglex 21:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

There wasn't time to address it in Dead Man's Chest, but presumably this will be answered in the third movie. -- MisterHand 21:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Not only is he not dead, but not cursed (we see him eating the apple). The most likely explanation I can see right now is that Tia Dalma found him and was able to magically heal him. That would explain why he's there in the first place, but why she even did it for him I don't know.

Jack's motives

I know he explained it in the movie, but what, exactly, did Capt. Jack Sparrow wish to do with Davy Jones' heart? I mean, why was he so insistent on preventing Will Turner from killing the heart and Jones? I know he wanted to get rid of his debt with Jones, but wouldn't destroying the heart do that? I'm definitely missing something here... --From Andoria with Love 09:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

References to the First Film

There used to be a whole lot more of them, and all were noteworthy to some degree. Why was this section shortened? ViceroyInterus 16:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)