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KEEP More than Sufficient Notability/3rd Party Sources/ Media Coverage

KEEP More than Sufficient Notability/3rd Party Sources/ Media Coverage

First of all as user IP 68.224.55.160 said and proves she meets SIX of the Notability requirements when ONLY ONE IS NEEDED

Secondly for those who are all falsely saying Manika does not sufficient 3rd party sources/media coverage, etc. Here are 202 3rd party sources/articles/media coverage I found just by googling her name:

http://issuu.com/kevinlapalme/docs/summer_2015/78 http://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/the-reel/50-cent-panic-the-disco-and-more-due-wine-amplified-fall http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/29926226/wine-amplified-2015-reveal-its-lineup-of-big-artists http://www.soundcloudmusicreviews.com/manika-presents-b-y-o-bugatti-hip-hop/ http://thespotmusicreviews.com/2014/01/07/manika-close-to-her-breakout-moment/#more-161 http://www.latina.com/entertainment/buzz/pop-singer-manika-exclusive-interview#axzz2i639ZP00 http://www.wineamplified.com/#!lineup/chsw http://ifelicious.com/2014/10/15/one-direction-tour-mate-manika-unveils-new-style-with-vegas-party-featured-in-battle-of-the-strandsglobal-beauty-masters/ http://ventsmagazine.com/one-direction-tourmate-manika-steps-into-the-spotlight-premieres-new-music-video/ http://deluxe-version.com/featured-super-star-manika/ http://www.pollstar.com/news_article.aspx?ID=814767 http://blog.starcount.com/manika-bigger-than-bruno-mars/ http://official1dus.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/lookout-for-manika/  http://thatsoceleb.com/lookout-for-manika/ http://www.channelapa.com/2013/01/my-way-music-video-by-manika.html#ixzz2NvFCwS9a

http://ifelicious.com/2013/06/11/exclusive-manika-fulfills-frank-dileos-vision-with-album-touring-with-aaron-carter-and-more/ https://www.fanlala.com/news/manika-has-new-album-way

http://www.channelone.com/manika/

http://www.fansshare.com/news/exclusive-interview-manika-discusses-touring-with-one-direction/

http://www.melismaticblog.com/2013/06/interview-coming-up-hear-this-manika.html

http://feather-magazine.com/?p=9949

http://www.melismaticblog.com/2013/07/in-reviewinterview-manika-unleases-her.html?m=1

https://soundcloud.com/manikaofficial/sets/manika-b-y-o-bugatti-jump

http://www.artistdirect.com/entertainment-news/article/take-aim-amy-sciarretto-vs-manika/10647998

presspassla.com/index.php/underground/item/1270-take-five-with-newcomer-manika

http://andrewliscio.buzznet.com/user/journal/17339438/exclusive-pop-artist-manika-one/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3RJKzPDzn8k

hellhoundmusic.com/rising-pop-star-manika-releases-her-debut-double-album-announces-appearance-on-battle-of-the-strands

http://www.girlslife.com/post/2013/06/19/First-listen-Manikas-debut-double-album.aspx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4DP1XccDDj4

http://feather-magazine.com/?p=10928

Popyoularity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-2a04PHsU

2012 Hard Rock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtp-_4CXmd4

POP STAR Christmas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hBzdEDmhc4

The Click Clique: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSvEWO3jue8

Popstar! Magazine 12 in 12 VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxXyCsnBsWQ

Miss ME: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py3iCs3OXGc

CelebSecrets: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH4OAti5HRw

Shop Til You Rock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xJAyzKJowg

CODY SIMPSON'S: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxB8bd-NqUc

2011 American Music Awards: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-Zr4SFFqs8

2011 VMA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJe1MAl5sZA

Audobon Middle School: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LifQ2DlLulE

Halo Halo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLxnRo80XQ

17 Mag: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVCqSmJ_37s

StarCam's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8vlcvKwQ60

Pacific Rim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdY3UkqlisM

tumblir: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDAGTpVaeeg

Twist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIgi1dexYIY

Twist 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHKwGeIbmA4

Fanlala: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rhOsP2L5lY

BOP tv: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydGo49TVUdw

Paris Hilton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQ1QtW6qgNE

LogaLive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM7BuAxLW_w

NARM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au5LK6Ba_Kk

CelebSecrets4U Hot Video Alert http://celebsecrets4u.com/2012/08/04/hot-music-video-alert-manikas-good-girls/

Manika on BSC Kids http://www.bsckids.com/2012/08/one-directions-opening-act-manika-releases-good-girls/

Manika on Popyoularity http://popyoularity.com/manika-video-good-girls-2/

Good Girls Video on MissExlusive.com http://missexclusive.com/news/manika-good-girls-video

Manika on J14! http://www.j-14.com/2012/08/j-14-video-manikas-good-girls.html

on Popstar! http://www.popstaronline.com/check-out-good-girls-by-manika/

http://www.cambio.com/2012/07/19/which-reality-tv-star-is-in-manikas-new-music-video-watch/

Meet Manika, One Direction’s Tour-Mate (My Musical Mind) http://www.metrolyrics.com/blog/2012/06/20/my-musical-mind-manika/

5 ‘One Direction’ Tour Secrets Revealed: Celebuzz Backstage With Opening Act http://www.celebuzz.com/2012-06-19/5-things-you-dont-know-about-one-direction-celebuzz-goes-backstage-with-opening-act-manika-exclusive/

The Girl on Tour With One Direction, Manika! http://www.teen.com/2012/06/18/music/new-music/manika-one-direction-interview-single/

TWIST Chats With One Direction's Opening Act Manika http://www.twistmagazine.com/2012/05/twist-exclusive-twist-chats-with-one-directions-opening-act-manika-win-it.html

MANIKA TAKES A BREAK FROM HER TOUR WITH ONE DIRECTION http://www.popstaronline.com/manika-takes-a-break-from-her-tour-with-one-direction/

Manika in Town With One Direction, Friday, June 1, Fox Theatre http://motorcityblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/manika-in-town-with-one-direction.html

One Direction Tourmate MANIKA Steps Into The Spotlight + Premieres New Music Video http://ventsmagazine.com/one-direction-tourmate-manika-steps-into-the-spotlight-premieres-new-music-video/

Buzznet Exclusive: Meet One Direction's Talented New Gal Pal Manika! http://wevegotyoucovered.buzznet.com/user/journal/17252172/buzznet-exclusive-meet-one-directions/

Ifelicious Thoughts http://ifelicious.com/2012/05/18/pop-sensation-manika-touring-with-one-direction-releasing-single-good-girls-and-debut-ep-in-june/

One Direction Updates http://onedirectionupdates.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/photos-manikaofficial-supporting-act-with-one-direction-during-their-uan-tour/manika/

MANIKA Featured in OK! Magazine http://stachemedia.wordpress.com/tag/manika-2/

Nail 1D opener Manika's awesome http://www.girlslife.com/post/2012/06/08/Nail-1D-opener-Manikas-awesome-mani.aspx?cp=all

One Direction Exposed! http://celebs.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981417566

One Direction In Concert WITH MANIKA http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/UkJIcyM3PWj/One+Direction+In+Concert

One Direction steals Toronto's heart http://www.themagazine.ca/2012/06/02/one-direction-steals-torontos-heart/#.UQhdKM1bJ0c

The Girl on Tour With One Direction, Manika! http://www.teen.com/2012/06/18/music/new-music/manika-one-direction-interview-single/

CosmoGirl http://www.seventeen.com/cosmogirl/manika-showcase-performance

one direction connection http://onedirectionconnection.com/2012/08/manika-talks-one-direction-on-tour/

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

Fails notability guidelines on a massive scale. Almost every source here comes from press releases, fan sites, unreliable sources, the subject's social media, etc. This borders on a press release. Chase (talk | contributions) 16:14, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And don't forget to mention that the sources for the article (like Pollstar) are interviews where the subject gives false information. See here for details where I actually fact checked her claims:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Oshwah#Manika_page

I keep trying to edit the article to remove all the fake "facts" and keep it neutral as possible, but the article keeps being reverted to the original so if deletion is necessary, so be it. Can someone lock the article at least? AyanP (talk) 17:13, 30 August 2015 (UTC)AyanP[reply]

Keep The article certainly needs lots of work, but that's not a reason for deletion. She appears to meet WP:MUSIC criterion #2 as she's charted: e.g. Billboard chart result. Bondegezou (talk) 17:17, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What chart is that? And charting is not automatic grounds for a subject to receive an article. Significant coverage in multiple reliable publications is the basic requirement for any Wikipedia topic. Chase (talk | contributions) 18:59, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The various notability guidelines, like WP:MUSIC, are generally adhered to. To quote WP:N: "A topic is presumed to merit an article if: 1. It meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline listed in the box on the right"

"Just Can't Let You Go" made #21 on Billboard's singles sales chart (that's as opposed to their main singles chart that combines sales and airplay). The link I gave earlier showing #86, I think that's for the main singles chart. Bondegezou (talk) 22:02, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So, the article was a mess. I and others have tried to clean it up. Thanks especially to AyanP. But I think what's left satisfies notability criteria. Bondegezou (talk) 22:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MUSICBIO also says that a subject only may be suitable for inclusion if it meets a guideline there. The chart you've provided is for physical single sales (a virtually nonexistent market in America at the moment), only a component of the main US chart. It did not chart at #86 on the Hot 100 (America's primary music chart), by the way; it does not show in her chart history on Billboard's website. And the main issue here is that the sourcing is terrible. Nearly all of the sources appear unreliable aside from Seventeen magazine (and that isn't the strongest of sources). So seriously consider if we really need to keep an article on a non-noteworthy singer just because she ranked on a small component chart. Chase (talk | contributions) 23:36, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There are not any reliable sources, none. Interviews are a form of self-sourcing, when these are swept away, all that's left is a promotional release.Jacona (talk) 18:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not particularly bothered whether this article survives AfD or not -- you can change my "keep" to a "weak keep". It is a borderline case (and I find myself more and more a deletionist these days!), but to address a couple of points in the above... The singles sales chart I quoted is all sales as far as I understand, not just physical sales. But you're right about Billboard here not showing anything charting for Manika in the regular chart (I had misunderstood the link I gave above). (Billboard also has a biography for her.) Most material on some new singer is going to be in the form of interviews. If sufficient significant sources want to interview someone, that shows notability. Material written by the journalist at the beginning of an interview is not self-sourced. This article does have problems with sourcing and undue claims, but WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP. Bondegezou (talk) 15:30, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any point in cleaning up....nothing. Which is what we have here. Zero reliable sources. This is not a notable subject. Jacona (talk) 18:56, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Billboard's Singles Sales chart is just physical sales and does not include digital sales. There's a separate chart for digital sales and the Hot 100 (the actual main singles chart) combines everything with radio and streaming. The issue here is that single sales are virtually non-existent. I also searched for retailers that carry Manika's physical singles and nothing showed up. Something's fishy here...

And I'm going with delete now too. That same person is hijacking the page again. (S)he's even claiming that Manika has "relevance" in pop culture and her social media followers are real (they're not). AyanP (talk) 02:45, 4 September 2015 (UTC)AyanP[reply]

KEEP: Manika (singer) wiki page meets at least five of the criteria for musician (only 1 is needed and she has at least 5)

-Criteria 1: honestly if you just google her hundreds and hundreds of such articles ( like in Review Journal^[1], Latina Magazine ^[2], People Magazine , 17 magazine/ Cosmo ^[3], etc.) Also, I have seen her in at least four printed magazines (DLXVRSN- she was the cover girl ^[4] ^[5], People Magazine - under red carpet "who wore it better", La Palme Magazine ^[6], and a few more I can't remember.)

-Criteria 2: Two of her singles have charted at #12 and #21 on the national Billboard Sales Chart. %5D=ts_chart_artistname%3Amanika&f%5B1%5D=ss_bb_type%3Achart_item&type=2&artist=manika Billboard Chart

-Criteria 4: Her tour with One Direction Up_All_Night_Tour#Opening_acts and some other tours she did as well but the One Direction seems to be her most popular.^[7]

-Criteria 10: She did score an entire television series that aired on Discovery. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4556714/ Global Beauty Masters on Discover

-Criteria 11: Five of her singles have been placed in rotation of Top 40 radio stations shown in the media base charts (note you have to be a member to view) http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/7/SongHistory.asp?sngcde=MANIMW On these charts it shows her last song "B.Y.O.Bugatti" having 302 plays on Sirius XM Venus station alone.

-Criteria 12: She was featured on the nationally televised Hollywood Christmas Parade and on "Global Beauty Masters" that aired on Discover

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4556714/ Global Beauty Masters on Discover  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2108455/?ref_=nm_flmg_slf_1

-Additional: She just released a collaboration with rapper Tyga "I Might Go Lesbian (feat. Tyga)" Manika Tyga Collab

Comment These all look like press releases, interviews, schedule listings, rather than significant secondary sources. In short, a lot of promotion, but not much independent interest. Her promoter has apparently spent a lot of money, but a Wikipedia article is not supposed to be for sale.Jacona (talk) 13:36, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~KEEP~~: Seems to me that this should be kept due to her relevance in pop culture

-ie. : Her most recent collaboration with rapper Tyga "I Might Go Lesbian (feat. Tyga)"

-ie.: Her touring with One Direction Up_All_Night_Tour#Opening_acts

-ie. Her fan base is quite substantial facebook.com/ManikaOfficial twitter.com/ManikaOfficial youtube.com/ManikaOfficial

-ie: Her songs have charted #12 and #21 in Billboard %5D=ts_chart_artistname%3Amanika&f%5B1%5D=ss_bb_type%3Achart_item&type=2&artist=manika Billboard Chart

~~KEEP~~:

- there used to be some unreliable sources, however I managed to find several reliable sources for each point in the article

-there was some additional not needed information in previous drafts, but it has all been removed

~~KEEP~~: I noticed there were a lot of discussion on whether or not her Billboard charts were legit. I looked it up on the billboard website and turns out that indeed she did chart at both #12 and #21 on Billboard Sales This meets criteria #2 for musicians http://www.billboard.com/biz/search/charts?f[0]=ts_chart_artistname%3Amanika&f[1]=ss_bb_type%3Achart_item&type=2&artist=manika — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.224.55.160 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 3 September 2015‎ (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/music/las-vegas-born-singer-manika-takes-two-holiday-classics. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
^ http://www.latina.com/entertainment/buzz/pop-singer-manika-exclusive-interview. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
^ http://www.seventeen.com/celebrity/music/a14528/manika-showcase-performance/. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
^ http://deluxe-version.com/featured-super-star-manika/. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
^ https://squareup.com/market/dlxvrsn-magazine/dlxvrsn-fw?square_lead=item_embed. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
^ http://issuu.com/kevinlapalme/docs/summer_2015/78. {{cite news}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
^ http://www.metrolyrics.com/news-story-my-musical-mind-manika.html. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

Comment. Multiple keep votes struck. IP 68.224.55.160 voted 4 times in one edit. • Gene93k (talk) 02:37, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:39, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nevada-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:39, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There is nothing reliable about this article.

1) The Billboard sub-chart is for physical singles sales, which barely even exist. I searched online for any retailers that carry physical singles of any Manika song and none do. I'm wondering where these physical sales came from, especially considering there is no market for it and no retailers carry Manika's physical singles. Either way, not showing any "relevance in pop culture" like the person who keeps hijacking the article claims.

2) Her fan base is NOT real. If you click on the profiles of the people who respond to her on Instagram, Twitter, Youtube and Facebook, you can tell that they're all fake profiles. Click on the usernames and you'll notice that they all have 6-7 LQ uploads without any pictures of themselves on Instagram:

https://instagram.com/p/55zUWCn46F/

Or on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/ManikaOfficial/status/629038942138990592

3) "Wamaframa Records" isn't even a real record label. The new reference link you added for the label goes to iTunes. That doesn't make "Wamaframa" a legitimate record label. Anyone can upload things on iTunes. And again, it's not: http://www.wamaframa.com/

4) "Asian Spanish" is not an ethnicity. This is an encyclopedia article, not a PR release to create some ambiguous ethnicity to appeal to people.

5) Nothing that this person keeps adding is notable at all. The most notable thing is opening for One Direction years ago when they were a new band and collaborating with Tyga. AyanP (talk) 02:51, 4 September 2015 (UTC)AyanP[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Lyle, Michael (2011-11-29). "Henderson teen hopes to become a pop star". Las Vegas Review-Journal. Archived from the original on 2015-09-05. Retrieved 2015-09-05.
2. Przybys, John (2011-12-08). "Las Vegas-born singer Manika takes on two holiday classics". Las Vegas Review-Journal. Archived from the original on 2015-09-05. Retrieved 2015-09-05.
3. Romero, Angie (2011-05-16). "Introducing Manika". Latina. Archived from the original on 2015-09-05. Retrieved 2015-09-05.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Manika to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 23:02, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Independent sources" require no attachment to the subject and no COI. Interviews with the subject that goose her popularity and musical abilities to attract readers don't really qualify. WP:SPIP speaks on self-promotion and says: "The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the topic itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, author, inventor, or vendor) have actually considered the topic notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it—without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to the topic matter." Chase (talk | contributions) 00:49, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, two of those publications are based in the subject's hometown. Chase (talk | contributions) 00:49, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is no "incentive, promotion, or other influence" for either the Las Vegas Review-Journal or Latina to cover her. They both have "no attachment to the subject and no COI". It is correct that Las Vegas Review-Journal is based in her hometown. But Latina is not based in her hometown and has a national circulation of 150,000 and a readership of over 600,000 (source: http://www.latinastyle.com/mediakit.pdf^WebCite). Significant coverage in Latina makes her have national notability, not merely local notability.

Cunard (talk) 01:27, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Publicist-arranged interviews are not independent. There's a symbiotic nature of "we promote our artist and you get a good feature story." I'm curious as to where the reliable sources are that comment on her music without any involvement from her. Chase (talk | contributions) 01:51, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is no evidence that these are publicist-arranged interviews. Cunard (talk) 02:55, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/music/las-vegas-born-singer-manika-takes-two-holiday-classics. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

[2] ttp://www.latina.com/entertainment/buzz/pop-singer-manika-exclusive-interview. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

[3] ttp://www.seventeen.com/celebrity/music/a14528/manika-showcase-performance/. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

[4] ttp://deluxe-version.com/featured-super-star-manika/. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

[5] ttps://squareup.com/market/dlxvrsn-magazine/dlxvrsn-fw?square_lead=item_embed. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

[6] ttp://issuu.com/kevinlapalme/docs/summer_2015/78. {{cite news}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

[7] ttp://www.metrolyrics.com/news-story-my-musical-mind-manika.html. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)

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