User talk:Codename Lisa

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Please improve section Microsoft_product_divisions#Applications_and_Services

Please improve section

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_product_divisions#Applications_and_Services

All the software listed here, are they really business divisions.

Also is every current software listed in each title.

Also is all the softwares of Microsoft covered.

Any help would be appreciated brother

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.36.231.215 (talk) 13:17, 7 September 2015‎ (UTC)

Could you help to remove biased and harmful text from the Cdrtools page?

Hi, User Chire recently started again his attacks against the Cdrtools page by adding this biased text: [1].

I reverted this and replaced his text by a neutral explanation of the background but this was reverted again to the biased text. Could you help me with that problem? Schily (talk) 12:12, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi.

I don't know anything about this subject. Sorry.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 23:20, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Do you believe it was correct from Diego Moya to remove the neutral background explanation I added? Schily (talk) 10:34, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

People may consider your changes a advertisement for your libscg, and your point of view, and censorship of Linus Torvald's (sourced!) opinion who says this API is "insane" [2]. By any means, your changes were not neutral, but they emphasize your bias. You need to accept the fact that Linus Torvalds called this "a f*cking idiotic thing to do" [3]. You are welcome to disagree with this; but you have to accept Linus opinion on this, too! (I am in favor of not using this source, because of the insults - that is why I chose more polite sources!) And we already have your opinion in this section: "Schilling ... rejected this approach ... with the rationale that it would make the software more complex and less portable". Now, please allow other (sourced and notable - like Linus'!) opinions to coexist with yours, please. I'm not "attacking" you, but I am trying to balance your opinion and other opinions; because you tend to remove any other opinion from Wikipedia. --Chire (talk) 14:27, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

@<redacted>:Linus Torvalds is not a notable person with regards to SCSI as he has no clue on SCSI. You however just verified that you do not like to see neutral information based on the standards distributed by the SCSI standard committee. BTW: personal insults from people like Linus Torvalds do not belong to Wikipedia. But you are correct that the attacks from Torvalds against the cdrtools project in the code from the Linux kernel caused the software to be more complex than needed on a well planned set of interfaces; this covers cdrtools as well as the Linux kernel. Schily (talk) 14:52, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Maybe I can be a neutral party (who is <redacted>?). If you are Jörg Schilling "mostly known as the main author of the cdrtools" (e.g. notable for that software), I think you need to step away from the article (except to delete/change uncontroversial stuff such as typos), and only ask for changes, on its talk page (or other peoples, as you are doing). It must hurt then, but WP policies on personal attacks seem to apply to talk pages (only); and WP:BLP to pages on people only, not products (I would like to know otherwise..). Linus is not the authority on everything Linux related, but he is regarded notable on many (kernel-related) things, and his opinion may or may not belong on the page on cddrtools. comp.arch (talk) 15:45, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

The problem we are currently suffering from is that there are edits from Debian people and Debian did attack the cdrtools starting in 2004. For this reason, we need to make sure that we do not permit edits by people that are supporting the attackers. BTW: the way I read the WP rules includes that WP pages are not allowed to be used for personal attacks. Please read a neutral attempt to explain the background for the device naming used by libscg Schily (talk) 16:39, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a proposal on how you could act as a neutral party? Schily (talk) 16:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:No personal attacks "Derogatory comments about other editors may be removed by any editor." (E.g. not about "content" [on non-Talk pages], I bolded "editor", as opposed to subjects of articles). However, I, now, also see WP:BLP: "Editors must take particular care when adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page." If information is about software, then it seems disagreements can be in (maybe this is a gray area, or covered by other policies). comp.arch (talk) 17:11, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

• Disagreement is different from attacks, do you confirm this? If yes, then we cannot use Mr Torvalds as a verification because he did use personal attacks instead of technically based arguments.
• What about the repeated attacks by User:Chire that result in removal of neutral explanations like [4] in favor of attacks from others (e.g. Torvalds)?
• last but not least please note that Linux is no more than one of many supported platforms and Linux offers a really bad generic SCSI interface, e.g. multiple device driver entries for a single device - some of them with a usable DMA implementation, others without, or the fact that "SCSI autosense" on Linux still delivers at most 16 bytes even though the standard requires 18 bytes.
• If Chire likes to have this text on WP, I would be fine if he did move it to the Linux page - it does not belong to the Cdrtools page, except for documenting the bad SCSI implementation on Linux.

In any case, removing a neutral explanation was the bad thing that happened recently and that should be reverted. Schily (talk) 17:32, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

"Disagreement is different from [personal] attacks", yes. And calling someone an "idiot" looks like one. I think it should not be quoted. I'm not sure where to draw the line, [in theory] does it invalidate referencing a particular source in case it also has "technically based arguments" or even everything from the person making those arguments? "Do you have a proposal on how you could act as a neutral party?" Not really, and it seems I hit a can of worms (technically, not just politically), where I'm not sure I would be trusted (by both sides), and probably there are better policies to handle such issues (hopefully). comp.arch (talk) 09:54, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

I understand that it is hard for a "newcomer" to understand what happened here. The problem in our case is that there are attacks from people from Debian since 10 years and that some Debian people still continue these attacks by trying to make a series of small edits that only has the goal to cause harm to me and my projects after the small changes accumulated to something that would never be tolerated as a single change. Given that we know that "Chire" as well as "Diego Moya" are members of Debian, these people should not edit any related article. Do you have an idea on how we could achieve this and clean up the article from pseudo information that was only added to harm the project but that does not help any reader? BTW: is there a better place for this discussion? Schily (talk) 10:44, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Now that User Chire tries to negate his COI with cdrtools, let me add a note about this: This person is stalking me and my projects since many years and he spreads his false claims all over the network, not just in Wikipedia. Do you have an idea on how to deal with this problem? Schily (talk) 11:20, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

You may personally not like Linus Torvalds, but this is what the Linux kernel contains (fact). And the Linux kernel driver is clearly one of the most used SCSI drivers. So although he did not write the SCSI standard, he is an authority when it comes to whether these functions are reliable or not. Please stop declaring false COIs [5]: I have never worked on CD writing, or SCSI. A COI would be if either of us works on cdrtools (like you), or on a competing product. It is not a COI that we have a different opinion. that is a conflict of opinions, not a COI. --Chire (talk) 11:10, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

The logo?

What exactly is your problem with having the full wordmark logo? Windows 10 Mobile has no separate logo; every Windows 10 edition/whatever is branded as Windows 10. ViperSnake151  Talk  18:30, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello, ViperSnake151

It is a matter of the logo not defeating the purpose of Wikipedia:Disambiguation. But I gave up on it when you reverted my edit.

But I was going to ask what is your problem with the URL?

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 18:37, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

It got reverted only because you did it in the same edit as the logo change (thus, you make it look like I also objected to that as well. But that's not really a problem). Everything else in the article is clear that this is not talking about Windows 10 for personal computers. ViperSnake151  Talk  18:40, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

@ViperSnake151: You did not? Hmmm... Okay. Nice to know we are on the same page. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 19:27, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

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Statistics/Cuba trivia..

Hi, since you thanked/found Cuba interesting as I did, I checked again. I see[6] XP is "no longer" most popular.. but look more closely[ http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-CU-daily-20150701-20151101].

Maybe I should have used http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-CU-monthly-201507-201510 as including "November" gets you statistics for just one day now it seems.. This might actually be a fluke or not - at the end of that month. I'm not sure the law of large numbers is at play here.. The statistics shouldn't be random.. I just found it interesting to see that Windows 10 is the most popular OS in some country (didn't see it on the map, but Europe includes it and then even can't see..) and that XP popped up as another most popular.. I've seen erratic numbers for these "countries"..:

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-GL-monthly-201411-201510

http://gs.statcounter.com/#all-os-an-monthly-201411-201510

comp.arch (talk) 10:08, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Infidel = freshman?

English isn't my native language, and I know what infidel is and didn't expect it at freshman. I find it hard to confirm, maybe this does?: http://www.girton.cam.ac.uk/37-alumni-a-supporters/176-infidel-boat-club comp.arch (talk) 13:34, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello, comp.arch. "Infidel" definitely does not mean "freshman". I cannot find the word in current revision of the Freshman article, so it is good someone removed it.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 16:45, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

It was me.. I tracked down the edit from, if I recall 2013, non-IP and reverted. comp.arch (talk) 16:53, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Your Featured Article

Hey. I have started a BRD with a user in MSE article. He seems friendly and cooperative. In answering him, I specifically tried to imitate your style, to be sure to be as polite as possible. We don't want to alienate this one.

But please do join in. Fleet Command (talk) 07:10, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello, FC

I'll visit. I love doing something that doesn't involve a clash.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 01:16, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

P.S. Now that the clash of titans in Microsoft Surface is over, shall we discuss it in the talk page? —Codename Lisa (talk) 01:17, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Alleged violations of MOS:LINUX

Hi, I don't really want to get into the specifics of whether the edits you reverted were "right" in calling software distributions "GNU/Linux", but I should point out that MOS:LINUX doesn't really apply in the way you claimed in those edit summaries. What it says is that The Linux name alone should not be changed to GNU/Linux, but it specifically states that this practice does not apply to proper names of individual operating system; e.g. "Debian GNU/Linux". Trisquel's official name is, in fact, "Trisquel GNU/Linux". LjL (talk) 01:23, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello, LjL

If that is indeed true, please file a rename request and present your evidence there.

User:PerfectBike's mass name change across Wikipedia that I just reverted, however, included creation of double-redirect and disruption of existing navigation templates. Such brutish action cannot be borne; I am taking this to ANI. But if you have a reason that I must stop now, I am listening.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 01:31, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

There may be good reasons to undo/stop their actions, all I'm saying is that MOS:LINUX isn't it. WP:COMMONNAME is more like it for trying to rename things like Trisquel to Trisquel GNU/Linux, while double redirects being silly could be a good reason to undo silly double redirects. However, I don't find it fair to employ policies that say almost the exact opposite of what's being claimed they say when reverting, so I pointed it out. LjL (talk) 01:36, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

@LjL: I find your argument reasonable. It is unfortunate the issue of name didn't come to your attention first; I am sure you would have taken a less brutish way. But right now, several Wikipedians have got their shields up because some real harm is done; something more than just a guideline being violated. I don't like it, because you might be right.

What do you want me to do or not to do right now?

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 01:43, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Nothing really; I brought it up here instead of on an article's talk page because I wanted it to be more of a "for your information" thing than the start of a debate. From a cursory look, I agree the mass-changes were unwarranted (just not because of MOS:LINUX). I'd merely suggest that if you bring up the issue at ANI, you focus on other problems with the edits over than the MOS:LINUX thing.

Perhaps you could consider not creating an ANI case in the first place? The editor was only warned once on their talk page, and only with the flawed MOS:LINUX rationale. More talk, less ANI might be appropriate. LjL (talk) 01:47, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Very well. Everything stops. I will send a friendly message only. —Codename Lisa (talk) 01:55, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Are you a naughty bad girl?

Dear Codename Lisa,

Are you a naughty bad girl? Why you figured me out in Jeh's talk page, but I forgive you and wish you everything goes well! Wish you become more and more beautiful!

Best regards,

Aaron Janagewen