Talk:Flag of Syria

Naming of the current red-white-green flag

The Red Flag is Syria official flag, Not used by assad government only, I'm not an opposition or with assad. I'm along side because both of them are bad , However, Not all of oppositions are using this flag, As this flag was created by french occupation on syria, We are proud of our flagGhiathArodaki (talk) 12:27, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

However, many associate the two-star flag with Ba`thism and subjugation to Egypt... AnonMoos (talk) 15:45, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

However, it is inappropriate to write on the current Syrian flag that it's used by the Assad regime, because it infringed on the sovereignty of the State GhiathArodaki (talk) 18:14, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

GhiathArodakil, if you were really neutral as you claim then you would not be coming out with the conspiracy theory that the Independence flag was forced upon Syria by France. As the article makes clear, the flag was created by Syrian nationals. -- 01:10, 16 March 2013‎ 92.40.254.247

the flag was created by france , i know my country history .GhiathArodaki (talk) 05:20, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Clearly you don't. No sources say what you are claiming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.254.247 (talk) 00:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

sources ? , search for that and you'll find , ha! , i don't what is worse , western and israel making causing the problems on middle east and arab world , or rewriting our history , leave us alone , Arabs want PEACE !, As also , france trying to hide the terror that it did, you can read the history, as i grow up STUDYING MY COUNTRY HISTORY FROM I WAS YOUNG !!!! GhiathArodaki (talk) 17:09, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

The current flag preceded the ascend of the "Assad government" by several years. FunkMonk (talk) 23:01, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

So what. It is still assocated with a Ba'athist regime in those few years which you make reference to. Albeit not lorded over by a memeber of the Assad family. Regardless, this conversation is about the Independence flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.254.179 (talk) 02:37, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

The current flag was adopted in The arab united between syria and egypt , this was before assad many years , But after syria got alone and egypt too , they returned the green one , when assad came he changed the flag that was created by french people to a flag that was created for an araibian union, Ba'athist doesn't have any hand on the flag as it was said, although , not every time a new government comes it changes the flagGhiathArodaki (talk) 11:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Naming of the first paragraph, the red-white-black flag seems to be delicate. Even-tough it is probably still seen and the current or most official flag, naming it the Official Flag can seem bias towards the Assad regime in light of the current conflict. Using Flag used by the Assad government is better but holds the risk of demoting the flag to an Assad symbol. If the flag had a name I would prefer using that name for the first paragraph and independence flag for the second. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renetus (talk • contribs) 09:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Ba'athist flag is not a good name , Official is better , but if you didn't like we can say "Used Syrian Flag" OR , Used Syrian Flag in the country, and in the second one , it can be leaved as it , because it is not the independence flag , it is the mandate flag that was created by france GhiathArodaki (talk) 11:44, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

YOUR PROPOSAL IS extreme pov,if not that you are trying to vandalize the article,flag used by assad governmment and flag used by national coalition is better

I'm trying to write the truth that you are trying to hide showing lies, this flag isn't only used by assad, it's used by netural people and half of the revolution people , AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CONTROL MY COUNTRY IN YOUR MIND .GhiathArodaki (talk) 15:20, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

believe in what do you believe in,but this became a fact,the red flag no longer represents syria,due that there is another government in syria that holds the green flag,and stop erasing facts in the article Abdo45 (talk) 14:43, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

who are YOU TO SAY it doesn't represent syria ?, the idiot green flag is just a symbol to the revolution , not the new flag , i asked the opposition people that i know , and many of them says that , as for the another government , it isn't the official government in syria, so you stop putting strange ideas in people mind , and let it be the truth to be said GhiathArodaki (talk) 16:59, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

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By the way, with respect to the naming of this section ("current red-white-green flag"), the two flags at issue are a red-white-black horizontal tricolor with green stars and a green-white-black horizontal tricolor with red stars. There's no red-white-green Syrian flag that I know of. As for the issues mainly under discussion: 1) The Syrian National Coalition has achieved a a very significant degree of international recognition, so that its flag deserves to be prominently included on this article for that reason. It's the same thing that was done on the "Flag of Libya" article when the Libyan opposition started receiving significant international recognition. 2) Examination of sources in the past by people on this talk page has not turned up real evidence that the 1930s-1950s red-white-black flag was designed by France, and if it had originated as a French colonial flag, it should have had a vertical blue-white-red tricolor canton in the upper left corner (but it didn't). Therefore the French-origin theory cannot be included in the article without a reliable source... AnonMoos (talk) 16:34, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

i'm saying the green flag is the mandate , not the red one , the libya thing you did is different from here, green flag of libya was really created by gaddafi , but the red flag of syria was created by the Arab union ,The syrian opposition wanted to use the green flag as a symbol only , while the libyan people wanted to use it as a new flag for the country GhiathArodaki (talk) 17:08, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

First off, the terms "green flag" and "red flag" are useless -- one flag has a green top stripe and red stars, while the other flag has a red top stripe and green stars! And yes, the 1932-1958 flag was created during the French mandate period, but that's quite a different thing from saying it was created by the French (no credible sourced evidence of the latter has yet been presented). AnonMoos (talk) 19:56, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

ui know my country flag , no need to tell, and you can go read history books , anyway , i'm syrian , and i know my country history.GhiathArodaki (talk) 20:23, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia still demands reliable sources... -- AnonMoos (talk) 15:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

GO READ HISTORY BOOKS GhiathArodaki (talk) 18:42, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 March 2013

Please remove information which implies the flag of insurgents being a flag of Syria. The rebel's flag is a military flag not of any country and not a sovereign state flag. This provision of information discredits wiki in my eyes. 58.179.129.242 (talk) 09:23, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces has received significant international diplomatic recognition (including by the recent Arab League summit). AnonMoos (talk) 14:30, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry , But i would like to tell you the UN doesn't give an "International Diplomatic recognition" , I would like to tell more that Jordan King was not happy because Moaz and hito sat on the seat , I Would like to tell you that many araibian countries opposite about that , So the flag is still the official Syria flag, not the Mandate one , But , because i like it fair , i'll tell you my suggestion that rentus suggest it :

section 1 : Arab Union Flag

section 2: Independence Flag(But I see it as Mandate one, But for your strange thoughts i'll not make a point on it)GhiathArodaki (talk) 12:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

It's the "United Arab Republic" in English, not the "Arab Union" (and some remember it as an era of Egyptian subjugation of Syria, as I mentioned above). In any case, the degree of international recognition is tabulated at National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces#International recognition, not on this article... AnonMoos (talk) 16:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

What does that mean to you that it is an era of egyptian subjugation of syria ? , This is a very far thing a way from what we are talking about , so don't change the tittle, I gave you my suggestions as a fair suggestions , rather naming it arab union or united arab republic , anyway you like it , that is fine and good , you don't like it , that shows that wikipedia have a hand on what is happening in syria , rather than rewriting history....etcGhiathArodaki (talk) 11:53, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

It means that from 1958-1961, Nasser was by far the most powerful leader in the United Arab Republic, and some Syrians thought that Syria was getting the worst of the bargain. That has a lot to do with why Syria withdrew from the United Arab Republic (and why not everybody has positive memories or associations with the two-star flag)... AnonMoos (talk) 01:18, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

although i'm not with Nasser and i hate him , but he was the leader of the araibians, the two star flag's memories are better than the red stars , because the red stars was a mandate flag , but the green stars shows the united relation between the arabs , i'm gonna ask you now this question , where are you from ? , if not from syria , then , what does it mean to you ? , and who told you everybody doesn't have a positive memories with this flag ? , this flag was our flag in october six days war , this flag saw better events than the mandate one, it doesn't mean to you which flag is the syrian flag , but if you are syrian that is something else ,as western countries always poke themself in somethings that are not there buisness .GhiathArodaki (talk) 11:22, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Not that it makes much difference in what we're talking about, but the Syrian flag in 1973 was the one with the golden hawk, not two stars... AnonMoos (talk) 14:04, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

As long as the Assad government, i.e. the Syrian Arab Republic, is the official representative of that country in the General Assembly of the United Nations it is clear that the Flag of Syria is the flag of that state. Coolavokig (talk) 11:19, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Look at National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces#International_recognition to see that the opposition forces have attained a significant degree of diplomatic recognition -- including Syria's seat in the Arab League. In any case, the Pol Pot regime or Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea retained Cambodia's seat in the United Nations during the late 1970s and most of the 1980s, though almost no-one thought it was the de facto or de jure government of Cambodia.... AnonMoos (talk) 13:19, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

'By March 2013, at least twenty states had recognized the SNC as ‘the (sole) legitimate representative of the Syrian people’:'

I must have missed news of that election.

So the vast majority of the world's states, didn't concur.

'Arab League to forge NATO-like military alliance of Sunni powers ' ~ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/29/arab-league-to-forge-nato-like-military-alliance-o/?page=all Beingsshepherd (talk) 05:20, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

This article must be one Wikipedia's greatest embarrassments. I used to think Wikipedia was at least usable for objective information, but it cannot even tell me what the official flag of Syria is ...

Bashar al Assad heads the only government in Syria. It collects taxes and runs essential services, except in areas invaded by jihadists (many of whom are foreign). In the last presidential elections he got over 80% support, and people travelled for miles and queued round the block to vote in places like Beirut (Lebanon). Even the least favourable recent European poll showed that the Syrian government had more support than any of the alternatives. A NATO report declared that Bashar al Assad was supported by at least 70% of his people.

Most people in Syria haven't heard of this National Council (or Coalition, or whatever the flavour of the month is) which has clearly been set up in Turkey by NATO to facilitate externally propelled regime change. It has NOT been recognised by the international community, not by China or Russia or most other countries. It represents NATO and its allies, period. There are opposition parties within Syria: this is not one of them.

Syrian opposition in exile seems to be in total disarray, and the status of the various groups is quite unclear: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-15798218

I would argue against the ISIS flag being a legitimate flag for Syria but it certainly has more validity than that of this "Council" Bougatsa42 (talk) 20:16, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Picture in lead

Left: the flag used by the Assad government
Right: the flag used by the opposition

Hello, suggest putting an image in the lede, would look a lot better. I think the combined one would convey the current state at a glance. Thanks 220.246.135.78 (talk) 02:19, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Putting two flags in one image like that may imply it's actually one flag. IMO, if both flags need to be displayed in the lead, showing both using {{multiple image}} would be better (see right). SiBr₄ (talk) 11:19, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

220.246.135.78 -- I think it's much better to discuss the flags in two separate subsections, one after the other, where the history, characteristics, and current status of each can be discussed without any possibility of inadvertent confusion. As for File:Flag of Syria (2011 combined).svg, I uploaded the current version of that image, but it's really only a template/stub/talk/userbox type image, and not suitable for the use you propose... AnonMoos (talk) 02:23, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Except that that French colony flag is only used by like 30% of rebels, the rest using black Jihad banners and al-Qaeda flags...Kermanshahi (talk) 12:18, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Was Syria a French colony between 1946-1958 and 1961-1963? In any case, the three-red-star flag was semi-spontaneously embraced by a very significant number of ordinary Syrians in 2011... AnonMoos (talk) 00:51, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Independence Flag?

This is the colonialist mandate flag, this was designed and forced by the French. This flag was adopted by a degree of Henri Ponsot in 1930. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.187.17.3 (talk) 14:13, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

If it had been a real French colonial flag, it would have had a blue-white-red vertical tricolor in the upper left corner (canton). In any case, it was indisputably the flag adopted upon independence, and used for the next twelve years. It's also a specifically-Syrian flag (not a generic Nasserist and/or Ba`thist banner, identical to the flags of several other countries except for the number of green stars)... AnonMoos (talk) 15:56, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Jihadist flag?

Flag of AQI/ISIS/ISIL/IS

Should we show this too for the "Islamic State", or do we discount it because the proclaimed state doesn't include "Syria" in its title?

And what about the Al-Nusra Front flag, or does that count even less because this group has not taken the grand step of declaring statehood?--Pharos (talk) 21:18, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

The Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi led group doesn't claim to be a government of Syria, but something completely different (a pan-Islamic caliphate), which if it came to fruition would pretty much obliterate Syria as a sovereign state in its current borders. Also, neither the "Islamic state" nor Al-Nusra Front have acheived significant recognition from any internationally recognized nation-states... AnonMoos (talk) 17:45, 2 July 2014 (UTC)