User talk:Challenger.rebecca

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That was a terrible close

Re this.

Two users expressed some opinion as to whether the article was GA-quality, one openly in favour of delisting and the other not opposed to delisting and stating that the original listing was crap. None of the other comments were even related to whether the article as it stood was of GA-quality or not. So why did you close it as a "maintain the status quo" when everyone opposed the status quo.

I understand you probably made a good-faith mistake, but if so it was still a mistake, and I strongly urge you to revert your close.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:43, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Users were arguing about the article content, but not all of it actually related to whether or not the article's quality was low enough to delist. Discussion had gone on long enough, and no one but the nominator said that the article should be delisted. No consensus means 'keep'.

Challenger.rebecca (talk) 06:33, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay, firstly I should apologize for my gruff tone above. I was annoyed about some bullshit that had nothing to do with you or the GAR. Secondly, you should know that GARs do not need a broad consensus from a large number of users to delist. The default should be that if an article's GA status is challenged, it will be delisted unless either (a) a defense of the article's current GA status is mounted or (b) the article is improved to fully address the OP's concerns. In this case, one user challenged the GA status, and another user tried to improve the article but still agreed the article should be delisted. A GAR should never be decided on a vote count, but in this case even a vote count was in favour of delisting. If I were closing, I would have said Consensus is to delist. The valid concerns of the OP and first commenter have not been met. All other commenters are trouted and politely reminded that this page is for discussion of whether the article still meets (or ever met) our specific list of Good Article criteria, and is not a forum for general discussion of the topic, or even general discussion of the article and its quality. 'No consensus means keep' is for AFD, not GAR, as the burden of consensus must lie with those who want Wikipedia to continue hyping the article as one of the Project's finest. If 'No consensus means preserve the status quo' was a universal standard, the article would never have been promoted in the first place. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:22, 11 March 2016 (UTC)