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In 39 A. G. and his mother went to France and lived in various camps. the article states.

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What about this: During the war Soljenitzyne went to Siberia and lived in various camps.

No. Alexandre Grothendieck and his mother were imprisoned in the camp of Rieucros. With a minimum of food, clothing and heat. But because they were arians they were not send to an extermination camp, as the father.

My english is too poor, but I hope that somebody will correct the article. It is true that after Rieucros they came under a more human internment system. Mio Nielsen, France --86.221.20.63 (talk) 14:36, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

I commend you for that very sensitive reading of a kind of phrasing which all too often, in such contexts, goes unremarked. I have tried to satisfy your request for clarity here. There is some problem in sourcing the precise circumstances of Hanka and Alexander. The text said they stayed together, whereas, one Italian source says he was separated from his mother, who remained at Gurs. This is worth further research. If you know the answer, kindly help us clarify it (Since fixed). Regards Nishidani (talk) 20:22, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Just a small point. It depends on what racist taxonomy, at the time, existed. Alexander was half-Jewish in any case, and while some bureaucrap may have defined him as 'Aryan' (a zero set ontologically), it would be inappropriate to conserve the typology, as I am sure you will agree. Nishidani (talk) 20:37, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Nishidani. I am fully satisfied. We have in France some media interest for Grothendieck at this moment, due to a newly published book about him. The camp of Rieucros has an internet site today and I found a particular point : The head of the camp recommended, in a letter to his superiors, that the children should be obliged to go to school for a special reason: They should be protected from the harmful influence of their mothers! Mothers like Ida Mett and Hanka Grothendieck were highly cultivated persons writing several languages including french which was not their native language. I have a letter from H. Grothendieck send from the camp. Mio Nielsen--86.221.20.63 (talk) 09:01, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Another thing that needs clearing up is the remark Sascha and Hanka were non-combatants. Several sources assert rather that they had a more active role, fighting on the anarchist side (whether in groups like the Iron Column,Federación Anarquista Ibérica etc., is obscure). See for example Reuben Hersh, Vera John-Steiner, Loving and Hating Mathematics: Challenging the Myths of Mathematical Life, Princeton University Press, 2011 p.109.Nishidani (talk) 09:18, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Mio Nelson, when you posted your first comment you completely erased all of the wikiproject rating tags and the archive links from the top of the page. When you add something to a talk page, please do not erase things that are already there. Thank you, Bryanrutherford0 (talk) 15:27, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Got it. Excuse me. M N--86.221.20.9 (talk) 11:34, 14 March 2016 (UTC)