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This list I put together goes for both the US and UK. Is there any reason to believe some other list is more authoritative for the UK than this list I've put together? - [[Special:Contributions/173.171.162.145|173.171.162.145]] ([[User talk:173.171.162.145|talk]]) 22:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
This list I put together goes for both the US and UK. Is there any reason to believe some other list is more authoritative for the UK than this list I've put together? - [[Special:Contributions/173.171.162.145|173.171.162.145]] ([[User talk:173.171.162.145|talk]]) 22:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

== Lead paragraph ==

The lead paragraph should tell where/in which cultures birthstones are from/are commonly used etc. It should also be expanded in other manners too, it is too thin currently. --[[User:Lucasdealmeidasm|Lucasdealmeidasm]] ([[User talk:Lucasdealmeidasm|talk]]) 05:05, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

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About this article (important note)

This article is a deleted section from the Birthday article removed as being unenciclopedic (sic). While it is certainly not scientific it is IMHO information suitable for an encyclopedia. These kinds of birthday associations are a well established and well known tradition (if misguided and commercialised - but then so is Christmas). SpinningSpark 15:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Biblical References

I removed the idea that birthstones are of biblical origins as that is an opinion. There are references to birthstones in many other cultures such as ancient Egypt (probably where the isrealites got it from), india, and babylon. Redland19 (talk) 17:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is biblical, just to let you know. Babylon and Egypt are in the Bible, so maybe next time you should do some research so that you actually know what your talking about! ~Anonomous —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.110.248.119 (talk) 19:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The stones as mentioned in the Bible, whether gems or building stones, have nothing to do with birthstones as far as we can tell. They MIGHT be related to the birthstone's origins, that is all. These might be related to the Zodical stones, I do not know for certain but I think so. However, all we have is the link between the importance of the Zodiac in the Bible and the Zodiacal stones. It is an example of the inadequacy of this article.--Djathinkimacowboy 00:12, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cigarette Smoking Man

Let's just agree that the Cigarette Smoking Man is not responsible for adding Tanzanite to the birthstone list in December. I removed the reference because I just have a good feeling about this one... Redland19 (talk) 21:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just so you know, the vast majority of the gem/jewelry industry doesn't recognize tanzanite as being a birthstone. AGTA did that as a marketing ploy. --24.21.149.124 (talk) 09:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blaunsigned comment added by 69.110.248.119 (talk) 19:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Birth stones

they're wrong... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.195.157 (talk) 17:00, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really? I don't suppose you would care to share your source of information with us. SpinningSpark 22:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno what the first poster's talking about, but I'm slightly confused by the main table, which seems to list the Gregorian poem stones in the "modern" column. Shouldn't that be "traditional," and the 1912 stones be "modern" instead? Or have I missed something? --207.178.110.185 (talk) 12:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The main table comes from here. Not exactly a neutral source as it is an organisation trying to sell stones. We could use an authoratitive book as a ref instead. The "Gregorian poem" list does not actually quite agree with any of the table columns but it is unsourced, so it would not be right to use it to replace any of the existing data in the table, even though the source is not all that good. SpinningSpark 22:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comparing them with the Wiki articles on the stones themselves will show that one of the other is not right...and I know my birthstone isn't peridot... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.198.209 (talk) 17:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zodiac stones reference

The web page referenced in the Zodiac stones table is down and the whole site seems to have gone. I have retrieved the page from the cache and found this list of references quoted as sources. Someone might care to go through them and see if any can be used in the article as an alternative reference.

  • The Curious Lore of Precious Stones by G.F. Kunz. J.D. Lippincott. 1913
  • The Mineral Gallery http://mineral.galleries.com/
  • The Mineral and Gemstone Kingdom http://www.minerals.net/
  • International Colored Gemstone Association http://gemstone.org/
  • National Audubon Society Field Guide to Rocks and Minerals Alfed A. Knopf 1979
  • Stones - Their Collection, Identification and Uses by R. V. Dietrich. Geoscience Press. 1980
  • Guide to Gems and Precious Stones Simon & Schuster 1986
  • Gemstones of the World by Walter Schumann. Sterling Publishing Co., Inc.
  • Gems and Jewelry by Joel E. Arem. Geoscience Press. 1992
  • Gems in Myth, Legend, and Lore by Bruce G. Knuth. Jeweler's Press 1999
  • Healing Crystals by Cassandra Eason. Vega 2003

SpinningSpark 22:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prominence of Zodiac stones vs modern birthstones

I came to this page looking for modern birthstones and was confused when I saw the historic Zodiac stone chart. The modern birthstone listing is quite a ways down the page, and mixed in a table with other stone charts. Perhaps the modern birthstone chart could be made a bit more prominent and obvious? 12.129.90.60 (talk) 06:36, 3 July 2009 (UTC) JUMMPING PANDAS IN LIFE NEVER REWRITE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.125.249.118 (talk) 20:42, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Title of the page

I believe that "Zodiac stones" should be the sub-content of the "Birthstones", but now the Birthstones became a redirection to such current Zodiac stones! Can any body come and try to explain it or fix this problem?--Gzyeah (talk) 11:38, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it won't happen beyond what's there now, but this is and should remain an article about birthstones in a modern concept. It has plenty of history in it and still isn't very clear. I'd like to see a modern birthstone table. Otherwise the article looks a bit useless.--Djathinkimacowboy 00:09, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Title of Article

Why is the title "Birthstones" as opposed to "Birthstone," the singular is better. When I type in "tractor" in Wikipedia, I expect to see a page named "tractor," not "tractors." --Coching (talk) 04:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Probably because the set of stones is what the article is about, not the idea of a solitary item like a tractor. --71.110.67.30 (talk) 21:40, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed that "Birthstone" would be a better title. People ask themselves, "What's my birthstone?", and do not generally seek a reference to "birthstones". The 'tractor' example above is quite right. But I don't really see why it ought to be changed at this point, and the article does refer to the complete list and not just one stone.--Djathinkimacowboy 00:07, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Changes

Done a great deal of fine-tuning to the article. Mainly it needed some of the uncited material and unconstructive prose removed. Also the sections have been reformatted and in some cases retitled to better reflect the content. This thing needs work. I'll see what I can do as time allows me, and gladly welcome any assistance.--Djathinkimacowboy 00:05, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note about the modern birthstones lists and citations

The two references used inline- the AGTA and the Jewelers of America pamphlet- do not disagree and are both allowed per Wikipedia citation rules. In fact, the JA pamphlet is a guide to gems in general, though it does include the birthstone month of a gem if it has one. The AGTA specifically names the modern birthstones used by jewelers in America. Both lists and references should be kept. I post this because the AGTA list was deleted and should not have been, in my opinion. It's too confusing for those who are seeking only the modern list. This could be modified if anybody could find a chart we could place in the lead.--Djathinkimacowboy 05:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Modern birthstones

There are dozens of lists of modern birthstones. Each organization seems to have its own list, and each one seems to have one stone that none of the others have. I've looked at a lot of them, and the list below seems to reflect the general consensus, as seen on these websites: [1][2][3][4][5]

January - garnet

February - amethyst

March - aquamarine

April - diamond[1][2][3][4] or[5] white topaz

May - emerald

June - pearl[1][2][3] or[4] alexandrite[5]

July - ruby

August - peridot

September - sapphire

October - opal[1][2][3] or[4] pink tourmaline[5]

November - citrine

December - blue topaz[1][2][3][5] or[4] tanzanite


All the stones on this list are included on dozens of lists. I changed this Wikipedia article to reflect this list, but someone else reverted my change. Although they didn't provide any source at all for their alternate alleged list. Is there any reason to believe that some other list is more authoritative than this list I've put together?


This list I put together goes for both the US and UK. Is there any reason to believe some other list is more authoritative for the UK than this list I've put together? - 173.171.162.145 (talk) 22:21, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lead paragraph

The lead paragraph should tell where/in which cultures birthstones are from/are commonly used etc. It should also be expanded in other manners too, it is too thin currently. --Lucasdealmeidasm (talk) 05:05, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ a b c d e "Zales birthstone list".
  2. ^ a b c d e "JTV birthstone list".
  3. ^ a b c d e "Helzberg birthstone list".
  4. ^ a b c d e "Gemvara birthstone list".
  5. ^ a b c d e "Lifetime Mothers birthstone list".
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