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Ingrid Lyne

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Delete per WP:1E and WP:NOTNEWS. Seems to fail WP:GNG, as well. Further noting that since the article was nominated for deletion, the article creator has changed the name of the article, possibly in an attempt to circumvent 1E (see his comments on 1E below). -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 11:17, 15 April 2016 (UTC) -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:27, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:31, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Washington-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:31, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 12:46, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

• Delete, merge, or userfy - It is too soon to tell whether or not this case will make headline news. However, by userfying the article, it can be easily resurrected. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:35, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

• Comment - Since Lyne worked at Swedish Medical Center, this article can redirect to it. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:43, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

• Delete It's a horrible crime, however it's something that isn't necessarily notable. The crime is horrid, but not every crime, or every victim, is notable enough for an article. RickinBaltimore (talk) 17:37, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
• I agree that we should mention her as a notable person or employee at Swedish Hospital in its article and give the explanation there. That, and/or mention the crime in Wikipedia's current events (daily news section) for the day it occurred. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.215.153.31 (talk) 22:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
• Delete - not notable. DaltonCastle (talk) 23:10, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
• Strong keep because it meets the requirements even though this person is not famous - There are currently 20 citations in the article that come from 7 countries. A Google search show 134 citations from at least 10 countries. The nominator says it fails WP:GNG. Actually, it meets it by a wide margin. Specifically

Y "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.

Y "Reliable" means sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.

Y "Sources"[2] should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected.[3] Sources do not have to be available online or written in English. Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability.

Y "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by the article's subject or someone affiliated with it. For example, advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website are not considered independent.[4]

The usual Wikipedia custom is to rename the article "Murder of Ingrid Lyne". But that is not a deletion, merely a rename. If Ingrid Lyne were a TV episode, then Wikipedia custom is no question keep.

Wikipedia is not a vote so this careful analysis shows it should be a keep, even a speedy keep. If we don't want Wikipedia to be the porn star, video game, TV episode, high school, big murder website, then there needs to be a systemwide discussion. Whiskeymouth (talk) 04:22, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

See WP:1E, WP:NOTNEWS, and WP:TOOSOON. All three show how this article is rightly being considered for deletion. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:48, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Not applicable. WP:1E is for a person. This is an event, Murder of Ingrid Lyne. Not news does not prohibit news. Otherwise the 2016 Brussels Airport bombing would be deleted because it is news. Too soon is not applicable because it meets GNG. Sorry, I do not make the rules. But we must follow them. Need to change the rules if you want your way. I will help you if you have a reasonable method to change Wikipedia.. Whiskeymouth (talk) 05:08, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Applicable. The article is a biography. Sorry, I don't make the rules, either, and policy is not only clear on this, but the article is very likely to be deleted. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 10:48, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

• Keep per Whiskeymouth. Caden ^cool 14:44, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
• Keep Whiskey's analysis is spot on. Over time, the article will get longer but for now the name change resolves the BLP1E issue and the numerous references and external links make it crystal clear that this topic has already garnered significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources. David in DC (talk) 19:32, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
• Delete - Per WP:RECENTISM and WP:NOTNEWS. Parsley Man (talk) 21:20, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
• Keep - per WP:GNG. NOTNEWS does not apply, as Wikipedia is based on news.BabbaQ (talk) 15:20, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
• Keep - per the reasons stated already; this is becoming a very heavily-covered story in the media and the trial will likely become another media-event. 68.19.7.65 (talk) 16:52, 16 April 2016 (UTC)