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Sorry for jumping on you about interweaving comments. In other pages, that practice has the discussion impossible to follow and created serious confusion. It's become something of a pet peeve of mine. Thanks for your understanding. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] <small>[[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]]</small> 17:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC) |
Sorry for jumping on you about interweaving comments. In other pages, that practice has the discussion impossible to follow and created serious confusion. It's become something of a pet peeve of mine. Thanks for your understanding. [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] <small>[[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]]</small> 17:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC) |
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: And now, of course, my computer hangs up, losing the edit to the APR page before I could save it. So much for all that research... [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] <small>[[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]]</small> 17:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC) |
: And now, of course, my computer hangs up, losing the edit to the APR page before I could save it. So much for all that research... [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] <small>[[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]]</small> 17:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:To my knowledge (limited to states in the southeast, admittedly), all consumer loans are required by various state laws to use simple interest. Industry standard forms (Banker's System, LaserPro and Gulfpak) don't even include other methods of interest calculation as possibilities. Under simple interest, there is no "compounding" of interest unless interest is "capitalized" (i.e. added to the loan's principal balance). This practice is generally considered unsafe and unsound by the regulatory bodies and is therefore only seen in CC companies that are not regulated by federal regulators. I think that part of your recollection from that time was the change from Rule of 78s to Simple Interest. Prior to the wide spread use of computeres, Rule of 78s was used because it was "easier". Continuous compounding has never (again, to my knowledge) been a standard industry practice because it was either a) too difficult to calculate (prior to computers) or b) legally replaced by simple interest (after Rule of 78s was phased out). Finally, the other factor that throws people off is the common practice in commercial banking of using 365/360 to squeeze just a little more out of people. However, consumer loans are generally either 365/365 ("actual") or 360/360 ("normalized") which yield the same result. |
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re: APR
Please tell me what you mean by "capitalized" in this context. I suspect that this is a misunderstanding based on either terminology or timing. I am more used to a discussion of interest "compounding" than of interest "capitalization". We may also be getting into confusion because Reg Z treats open-ended and close-ended credit differently. I've just added some preliminary notes to the article in that regard.
I wonder if we are also talking at cross-purposes about the "time-effect" of the APR calculation. I clearly remember bank advertising from before the popularization of APR (1981 if I remember correctly) when it was much more common to advertise using time periods other than a year and being confused by the compounding calculations needed to sort them out. (Continuous compounding, in particular, sounded like black magic the first time I heard about it.) Reg Z does clearly require the presentation of APR in annual terms so in that sense, it does normalize for the apparent difference of compounding using different periods.
By the way, I am not an expert on UK rules either. My experience is almost solely based on US banking practices. My recent edits to the EU section of the page were based almost exclusively on some online research and external readings.
Sorry for jumping on you about interweaving comments. In other pages, that practice has the discussion impossible to follow and created serious confusion. It's become something of a pet peeve of mine. Thanks for your understanding. Rossami (talk) 17:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- And now, of course, my computer hangs up, losing the edit to the APR page before I could save it. So much for all that research... Rossami (talk) 17:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- To my knowledge (limited to states in the southeast, admittedly), all consumer loans are required by various state laws to use simple interest. Industry standard forms (Banker's System, LaserPro and Gulfpak) don't even include other methods of interest calculation as possibilities. Under simple interest, there is no "compounding" of interest unless interest is "capitalized" (i.e. added to the loan's principal balance). This practice is generally considered unsafe and unsound by the regulatory bodies and is therefore only seen in CC companies that are not regulated by federal regulators. I think that part of your recollection from that time was the change from Rule of 78s to Simple Interest. Prior to the wide spread use of computeres, Rule of 78s was used because it was "easier". Continuous compounding has never (again, to my knowledge) been a standard industry practice because it was either a) too difficult to calculate (prior to computers) or b) legally replaced by simple interest (after Rule of 78s was phased out). Finally, the other factor that throws people off is the common practice in commercial banking of using 365/360 to squeeze just a little more out of people. However, consumer loans are generally either 365/365 ("actual") or 360/360 ("normalized") which yield the same result.