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Advocacy point of view

This describes what it is and claims, but appears to be written from an advocacy point of view - particularly the intro, which states NLP's claims as if they are facts. This is problematic given that not only is NLP documented to be a pseudoscience, but is one of the standard examples of a truly egregious pseudoscience (per the main article) - so an in-universe style will mislead the reader - David Gerard (talk) 22:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Concur. Do you want to have a go at changing it? ----Snowded ^TALK 04:43, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can help. I have rewritten the lead of the Representational_systems article to make it more objective. AnotherPseudonym (talk) 13:32, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Bandler has said that NLP is more art than science. The quality of the results depends therefore not on "scientific studies" but on the skills and talents of those persons using the methods presented, much like an artist creating an image - photographer? charcoal? pen & ink? oil on canvas? All can create something amazing, if their skill level is high enough, and a hot mess if it isn't.

LOL 174.26.56.14 (talk) 07:58, 11 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is recent research that gives evidence contradicting the idea that NLP is pseudoscience. I attempted an edit that includes reference to this research. It is a meta-analysis performed in 2015 (after the talk above): -

Zaharia, C., Reiner, M., & Schütz, P. (2015). Evidence-based Neuro Linguistic Psychotherapy: A meta-analysis. Psychiatria Danubina, 27(4), 355-363. -

From the abstract via PsycINFO: -

"The present work is a meta-analysis of studies, observational or randomized controlled trials, for evaluating the efficacy of Neuro Linguistic Programming in individuals with different psychological and/or social problems. The databases searched to identify studies in English and German language: 1. CENTRAL in the Cochrane Library; 2. PubMed; 3. ISI Web of Knowledge (include results also from Medline and the Web of Science); 4. PsycINFO (including PsycARTICLES); 5. Psyndex; 6. Deutschsprachige Diplomarbeiten der Psychologie (database of theses in Psychology in German language), 7. Social SciSearch; 8. National library of health and two NLP-specific research databases: one from the NLP Community (http://www.nlp.de/cgi-bin/research/nlprdb.cgi?action=res_entries) and one from the NLP Group (http://www.nlpgrup.com/bilimselarastirmalar/bilimsel-arastirmalar-4.html#Zweig154). Results: From a total number of 425 studies, 350 were removed and considered not relevant based on the title and abstract. Included, in the final analysis, are 12 studies with numbers of participants ranging between 12 and 115 subjects. The vast majority of studies were prospective observational. The actual paper represents the first meta-analysis evaluating the effectiveness of NLP therapy for individuals with social/psychological problems. The overall meta-analysis found that the NLP therapy may add an overall standardized mean difference of 0.54 with a confidence interval of CI = [0.20; 0.88]. Conclusion: Neuro-Linguistic Psychotherapy as a psychotherapeutic modality grounded in theoretical frameworks, methodologies and interventions scientifically developed, including models developed by NLP, shows results that can hold its ground in comparison with other psychotherapeutic methods. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)" -

I accessed the abstract from my university library database. -

I plan on editing the article in the following ways

1. While some may imply that NLP is a pseudoscience, this is one perspective and not an objective fact to be stated as such (as it is actively refuted in peer reviewed research). I plan to edit the article to reflect this.

2. In doing so, I plan to refer to the meta-analysis mentioned above. -

If another editor feels my prose is poor and needs revising, that's fine. However, the content (especially the introduction) needs a more well rounded perspective. Bmcdani4 (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2016 (UTC)bmcdani4[reply]

Request

I'm looking for the list of Sleight of Mouth patterns that used to be one here. It was a really useful reference and I've been coming back to this page for years to use it, but it's no longer here. Where might I find it? 98.237.252.162 (talk) 20:20, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still looking for the Sleight of Mouth patterns that were here before someone deleted them. Please add them back in. It was highly useful information. Now it just says "There were 14 sleight of mouth patterns and then 14 more were developed." Well, at least a list of these 28 Sleight of Mouth patterns would be helpful! 73.53.49.12 (talk) 17:43, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Find a third party reliable source and propose something. ----Snowded ^TALK 00:32, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]