User talk:Oknazevad

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List of Current champions in WWE

Ruler continues to add the pic if Styles and refuses to take it to the talk. I've asked him for a third time to take it to the talk and reverted it back. Not sure what to do from here as clearly he wants it and others dont. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 05:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

If he persists, a case at WP:ANEW should be filed. oknazevad (talk) 11:14, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Here we go again, how do I do a case at anew or maybe you should do I don't screw it up? Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 03:15, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

And his attitude got him blocked for 60 hrs. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 03:46, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Rye Whiskey

Hello Oknazevad, I wish you a happy new year.

On 12/26 you undid my edit of the article "Rye Whiskey" - which I'm perfectly fine with if I was wrong. The wiki-article says: "...although by the late 1960s even Pennsylvania names such as Old Overholt were being distilled only in Kentucky" - the word ONLY meaning, that from the late 60's NO Old Overholt was made in Pennsylvania. But now I've read the whole linked source that you cited as proof that Old Overholt "had been moved to Kentucky under National Distillers years before the merger with Beam, like the source says" - and to be frank I cannot find any such information. The source indeed gives hint that National Distillers at some time ALSO filled Kentucky-distilled liquor as Old Overholt. But the source clearly states that "We have in our collection bottles of Old Overholt ... which was bottled in Cincinnati, Ohio in the late 1960s or early 1970s. The whiskey is identified only as "Distilled in Pennsylvania". By the way - I have already seen such a "bottled in Cincinnati, distilled in Pennsylvania"-Old Overholt with my very eyes. So I'm convinced, that the wiki-article statement, that from the late 60's on Old Overholt ONLY came out of Kentucky, is simply wrong.

I'd appreciate, If you reconsider your reversion of my edit. Cheers, Purzelbier (talk) 09:00, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

While I'm still going to need to check further to get the exact dates, I do know for a fact that Old Overholt was made in Kentucky before the takeover of National Distillers, and the brand, by Beam, which was in 1987. By that time the only functioning distillery left in Pennsylvania was the Michter's Distillery in eastern PA, and they did not supply National, being a small operation with its own brands. Now, there is a good point that they pretty much would put any rye whiskey that they could get economically and fit the flavor into the bottle, so the "only" should be removed, but while I'm not sure if the exact date, I do know that end of Pennsylvania whiskey in Old Overholt pre-dates the Beam takeover of the brand. oknazevad (talk) 10:27, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank's for your profound reply and your edit of the article!Purzelbier (talk) 09:16, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

North American Supporters' Trophy

I see you reverted to IP's version. Then explain me why is that trophy listed here and here? These two additions been there forever and somehow nobody corrected it. Since I'm more of a ice hockey and basketball guy, I don't really know the real situation. Please enlighten me on this. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:37, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

They're there because, as you say, nobody corrected it. See the article on the trophy itself. oknazevad (talk) 15:50, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Since nobody bothered to do it, I removed them from 2015 and 2016 articles. – Sabbatino (talk) 14:10, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

That's fine. Frankly so many of the NASL articles still have the taint of one former POV-pushing fanboy editor who drank the kool-aid when it came to the failed attempt to act like the NASL was anything more than a second-rate league and that the Neo-Cosmos are actually a continuation of the historic team that it's just announcing to sort through. oknazevad (talk) 15:12, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

The Hardys

My block is over, and I am tempted to revert Hellboy42 again, but I know he won't listen so I need some help to show him that he is wrong. I'm asking you because we've got one in the right place (see your archived conversation [User_talk:Oknazevad/Archive13#Hardys here]. The other edits that need to be reverted are these (although some would restore Brother Nero and that shouldn't be done) [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] Note also that in some cases he uses the questionable 411 mania as an independent source, removing my entirely reliable independent source PW Torch. If he persists in maintaining what is clearly wrong as previously explained (and he ignored) other action will be needed. 101.182.29.49 (talk) 20:00, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Just drop it. It's not worth the fight. oknazevad (talk) 23:01, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

A massive (as in multiple) BLP violation isn't worth the fight?? 101.182.29.49 (talk) 08:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Its not a BLP violation, because it's fiction. It's also correct, as they are billed as such on Impact, as easily seen on the most recent episode. oknazevad (talk) 11:12, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

So TNA have changed it after all this time after all?? Okay if that's the case then there's nothing to be done now. Might be an idea to put it back on that page you reverted him on that I can't because it's semi protected (unless someone else already has). 101.182.29.49 (talk) 11:07, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Styles sitting pic

So AJ sitting in the chair was added again on List of current champions in WWE, I have reverted it back to the other. Not sure what else to do as it's a different user adding it now, seeing as you disagreed with the pic too I figured I get your input. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 04:41, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

NJTransit-Raritan-infobox

I know the edit summary is misleading, but Useddenim did revert himself (back to BD2412's edit). You might want to self-revert. Best, Mackensen (talk) 23:47, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

RfC Notice

There is a Request for Comment posted at Talk:New York Daily News#Request for Comment. You are being notified as one of every registered editor who has edited that article in that past year. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:04, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Removal of italics in hatnotes

Do you have a guideline link? I didn't find it at WP:HAT, MOS:ITAL or MOS:ITALICS. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:13, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Standard practice in typesetting, from my understanding. The point of italic titles is to offset the title from the surrounding text; when the text is italics, Roman is set off. oknazevad (talk) 02:21, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Redundant formatting

Please do not put redundant formatting into articles. I have worked on this article before, and this material will never be needed and just clutters up the edit screen. Thanks. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:48, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

It's not redundant. Indeed, naming the references, while not strictly necessary, helps ensure that future editors don't duplicate the same references. oknazevad (talk) 02:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Second Avenue Subway

I think that the old plan for the service on the SAS should still be mentioned. Maybe it should be in the part about the 1999 MESA study?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

That would be a better location, I think. It puts it in the proper historical context while avoiding cluttering the section on actual services with trivial details. oknazevad (talk) 18:14, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

That is where it was before it was moved. I shall move it. Thanks for your input.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Metroliner image

I switched the infobox image because it didn't actually show a car in Metroliner service - the image is during pre-acceptance testing. Take your pick of anything in commons:Category:Metroliner (train), but I don't think the current image is appropriate for this article. (It would work fine for the Budd Metroliner article though - perhaps we should just switch the images?) Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:13, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

That would be good idea. The problem with the image placed is that it barely shows the train itself. oknazevad (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

 Done I'll be doing some history cleanup / additions on the article about the service today or tomorrow as well. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:41, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Edit for List of Muppets

On the List of Muppets page, I edited the description of Gonzo to say that he identified himself as a "weirdo" and put a link to a video from Muppet Babies (which is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzDUnxU6mSY ), where Gonzo says, "I'm not a bird! I'm a weirdo!" While it is unclear whether he is referring to his species or genus or some other level of biological identification, it seems clear to me that within that show the term "weirdo" is supposed to be a biological designation rather than just a description of his personality. There are two other examples in the video where he does the same thing. However, you deleted my edit. What are your thoughts on the meaning of the term within the context of the show? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hibernia86 (talk • contribs) 03:53, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

That it's a baby with little understanding confusing species with personality. It's baby Gonzo being an oddball, as fits his personality. It is not something to be taken literally, just as it was never taken literally back when the series first aired in the 80s, when the younger me was an avid regular viewer. oknazevad (talk) 04:50, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Help

The user Reggiewray01 (talk · contribs) continues to unduly modify the TNA article. 2804:7F4:FB80:1D64:E2:7FC1:95D5:ECBE (talk) 22:02, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Editions of Dungeons & Dragons

I have started a discussion about the Reference/Citation Needed tags at Talk:Editions of Dungeons & Dragons#Reference and Citation Needed tags. (Catchy title, huh?) Please discuss there rather than reverting. Thanks and cheers! Woodroar (talk) 02:27, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

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Guest Stars for Rebels and on ANY Show

Okay firstly, their is clearly a BIG misconception when it comes to what you said on "Guest Stars" in your revision on the Rebels episode page:

It's not about celebrity. It's about them not being one of the five regular cast characters

Okay let me be black and white about this on the usage of "Guest Star" whether its an animated show and especially a Live-action show. Just because an actor/actress that isn't part of the main cast and listed as a recurring or supporting role doesn't necessarily mean that they are considered a "Guest Star". Honestly, I feel that their is no need to add anyone that isn't part of the main cast as a "Guest Star", because honestly it clearly feels odd just to have recurring/supporting actors be listed under "Guest Star" and looks like some spam, not to mention most if not all of the episode pages on wikipedia rarely list "Guest Stars" on the episode descriptions, unless if that particular "Guest Star" was mentioned in a Press release, News article, or an Episode description press release--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 22:45, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Recurring characters are an interesting issue, because they are semi-regular by definition. That said, what differentiates Sarah Michelle Gellar, who was arecurring Gillian in season 2 and appeared multiple times, and Ashley Eckstein, who had the recurring role of Ahsoka in season 2 and appeared roughly the same number of times? Both were established actresses before their Star Wars involvement. So why would Glar be listed as a guest star and Eckstein not? That's my issue with removal. oknazevad (talk) 22:54, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, but at the same time, I do feel it doesn't make sense just listing an actor/actress that is in a semi-regular and recurring/supporting role from Rebels or better yet The Clone Wars show listed as Guest stars, since more often it can be misleading and inaccurate to most people. It also applies to ANY show (animated or Live-action) in general not just Rebels.

Of course, most live-action shows do list a "Guest Starrring" description credit for the actors that guest appear in this episode, however as from what I've seen on the Episode description's on wikipedia or most media websites, they rarely mentioned ANY of the miscellanous actors in the episode and only pinpoint that particular actor that has guest starred in this particular episode in a press release.--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 23:08, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Also Please Stop saying I edit war three times!!! I only edit war 2 times!!!--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 23:24, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Let's keep this discussion on the article talk page so that others can weigh in. Also, please use the preview function so you don't have to change your posts after they've been saved; it clogs up the edit history and causes too many notifications. And especially, please don't change your posts after someone has responded. That's against talk page guidelines. oknazevad (talk) 23:37, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps you can weigh in

I've run into a problem at Survivor Series (1992) that I explained to LM2000.[12] Senior users have sided with a long-term vandal over me because he's using an account, without even looking at the WP:PW/RS-violating edits he's making. All the best. 2A02:C7F:8E16:8300:E42B:2F78:719B:CAAE (talk) 13:30, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Not Wanting To Start An Edit War

British English / OED English should be used for an article about a British subject.

Cheers! (a British way of saying thank you)

Pam-javelin (talk) 12:45, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Please see Oxford spelling, which is indeed British. The -ize spelling is not exclusively American, and not incorrect in British use. oknazevad (talk) 16:24, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry but that is just poor English.

Pam-javelin (talk) 12:40, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Take it up with the OED. oknazevad (talk) 20:35, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

TNA vacated the title

This is perfect reason why title changes should not be changed until they are or are acknowledged by the company. They vacated the title Del Rio never won it. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 02:23, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Good point. Impact isn't necessarily "live to tape", that is shot like it's a live broadcast, just aired later, with minimal, if any, editing. SmackDown before it was actually live was live-to-tape, as are the late night toalk shows (The Tonight Show is taped at 6pm eastern, for an example I know well). So maybe we shouldn't be so hasty to report. I think this needs to be discussed at the project. oknazevad (talk) 06:04, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Please stop, I have added 2 references specifically stating Alberto vacated the title, and that Lashley was given the title back. Stop making calculus out of simple math. Vjmlhds (talk) 13:37, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Did they vacate the title or did they vacate the match result? Two separate things, one of which results in a championship vacancy, one of which does not. Here's an idea, stop changing it and wait for the episode to air. WP:NOTNEWS, and all that. Because TNA match reports have a history of being inaccurate, because the promotion itself doesn't explain well what's going on to the crowd in attendance.

And regardless, you need to re-edit your changes instead of just reverting, because your carelessness is restoring shitty sentences that were edited in between you constant reverts. oknazevad (talk) 13:43, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Vjmlhds It seems a week doesn't go by that you don't find yourself in an edit war. This is really getting out of control and it's going back to a noticeboard if you continue. This was a standard dusty finish in the same vein as Chris Jericho's phantom reign or Hogan's victory over Bockwinkel.LM2000 (talk) 20:17, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. Please Altair until the episode airs for clarification. These reports have been shown to be of limited reliability in the past. oknazevad (talk) 21:04, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

LM2000 oknazevad Truthfully, it really is sounding like you guys are just trying come off as "smarter" than the room. There is NOTHING in any of the references I provided that has anything to do with a "Dusty finish". Seriously...you throw around "edit war" very carelessly. I made an edit with 2 references to back me up, but you two say "pay no attention to the references...WE KNOW BETTER!". Really...get over yourselves - your fecal matter smells as bad as everyone elses. Vjmlhds (talk) 21:35, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

When you find yourself constantly edit warring with different people all the time, perhaps it's time to stop passing the blame onto everyone else. You know your sources are unreliable per WP:PW/RS. Here's another unreliable source to contradict yours: "That match ended in controversy and it was announced at tonight's tapings that the title was taken from Alberto and given back to Lashley." As we learn more things may change, it took NWA 10 years to recognize Ray Gonzalez's reign, but right now we're being consistent with how we usually handle these situations.LM2000 (talk) 21:57, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

LM2000 I can't help it if I dare have a different opinion than the Wiki-borg. Sounds like a "conform or die" manifesto. Vjmlhds (talk) 22:07, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Or maybe you just can't accept that WP:CONSENSUS is policy. Don't like that? Tough. It's one of the bedrock policies, and will not change. Now, please cease having this discussion on my talk page, all these edits are clogging up my notifications. 22:26, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

oknazevad sorry been off and was unaware you had responded, My intentions when I started this thread to you was what I was saying when this started days ago that we shouldn't post results till they air because of stunts like what Impact pulled, it turns Wiki into a news site. I wanted to discuss with you how to approach this with the project as it was part of a consensus to post the results in this manner but I wasn't aware you had responded and now someone has chosen to highjack my thread to you. I'm sorry the thread and your talk was highjacked and we were unable to discuss. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ^{Talk to me} 23:40, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

NFL/MLB on Fox

someone changed the name of The NFL on Fox to Fox NFL WITHOUT providing a valid source. Social media accounts are even (Sport) on Fox. So, I assume the show's legal name is still called (sport name) on Fox. ACMEDeputy (talk) 22:11, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

That's a good source. Make sure to use it when you start a move discussion on the talk page. But please do not simply make cut-and-paste move again. That's not allowed. If you need help, feel free to ask, I'll gladly help. oknazevad (talk) 23:21, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

English

• http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/20/14024616/rogue-one-star-wars-standalone-marvel-avengers
• http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/rogue-not-standalone-prequel-article-1.2916168
• https://theringer.com/movies-rogue-one-star-wars-anthology-label-4889c48d13a1
• https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/12/21/rogu-d21.html

Learn English, mate. "Stand alone" means exactly that -- a self-contained movie that does not rely on other movies to support it. How can Rouge One be stand alone when it relies in the events of the original trilogy and prequel trilogy to exist? It relies on the pre-established Star Wars universe, its characters, events, and creation to work as a canon film with no retcons that would harm the continuity between the two existing trilogies. No one can watch Rouge One all on its own without at least watching the original trilogy to see what the film was actually about and resulted in. It relies 100% on the franchise, ergo it cannot be a stand alone feature, no matter what any thing elsewhere says.

Doesn't matter what some, not "all" sources say? Some places in the world say being gay is unnatural, should be treat them as "all" being right too? i.e. Wiki isn't about cherry-picking it's about being precise. The only reason some sites call Rougue One a "stand alone" film ie because they either don't know the meaning of the word, or because they are promoting it on behalf of Disney, who used the term to draw in new viewers who are not familiar with Star Wars films, and those people will be left duped once they realise they have to see more than this film to get a complete picture. The only thing "standalone" about the film is that its a single-release film that tells a full story rather than being dragged out across another trilogy. Regardless, the term "stand alone" is wrong and so are you for reverting my literal correction to an illiterate fallacy. You make it look like wiki is marketing for Disney instead of using accurate language; Disney is American so normal English might not be its strong point. 82.26.59.181 (talk) 17:06, 18 March 2017 (UTC)