Talk:Catalan Republic (2017)

Flag

This is not the correct flag to be displayed. The flag is still the senyera, which is the Catalan flag. What appears on this article is the estelada, the independentist flag -that is to say: the pro-independence movement flag. Could you please change it? On the original article the flag appears as it should appear. Thanks. --95.23.151.98 (talk) 15:46, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Changed. Kudo417 (talk) 15:53, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Kudo417. I've made the same petition on Catalonia's discussion page. --95.23.151.98 (talk) 16:00, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

@Garam: - Your edit does not have consensus and will no doubt be reverted again. Please do not reinstate the flag. Mjroots (talk) 18:25, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Where is the evidence that File:Flag of Catalonia.svg is official? Already many Catalan people using File:Estelada blava.svg or similar flag, but not File:Flag of Catalonia.svg. (See [1], [2], and [3]) Thanks. --Garam (talk) 18:31, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Article 10.1 of the Law of juridical transition and foundation of the Republic states:

Article 10. Continuity of the valid law

1. The local, autonomic and state regulations in force in Catalonia at the time of entry into force of this Law shall continue to apply in all matters not in contravention of this Law and the Catalan law passed subsequently.

Thus the official flag is that of Catalonia, not that of the independence movement. This doesn't mean that there won't be a change as some point in the future, but it hasn't happened yet. Mjroots (talk) 18:40, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

@Mjroots: In other words, now no have flag, right? If so, the flags using by Catalan people is official as de facto, I think. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 18:47, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

@Garam: No, that is not correct. The red and yellow flag is the designated official flag of Catalonia. The red, yellow and blue flag is (currently) an unofficial flag used by the independence movement. It may, it time, become the official flag, but it hasn't yet. Mjroots (talk) 18:51, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Please, see WP:NOTFUTURE. Now we don't know, really anyone will be the official flag, or not. Then, In the present situation the flags (2 types) using by Catalan people is official as de facto, I think. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 18:55, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Umm, now you said, "The red and yellow flag is the designated official flag of Catalonia". Where is the evidence? Thanks. --Garam (talk) 19:03, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

References

EU membership

Just a comment regarding the EU membership. Isn't it very clear from international law that a new state is a new, legal entity, which is not a contracting part to any of the treaties and international agreements that the state it previously belonged to is part of. There are many examples of states that have seceded from other states, and in general the new states have to establish all their international relations and agreements anew. For instance, they have to apply for UN membership (e.g. Montenegro). The same goes for the international treaties laying the foundation for the EU; it is Spain as a legal entity that is the contracting part of the EU treaties, not its territory. A new legal enetity, like Catalonia, has nothing to do with the EU treaties, even though its geographic territory happens to overlap with Spain. Therefore, I'm really surprised by the claim in the article that this is an unprecedented situation (is it? what about Algeria?) and that it is unclear what would/will happen. --Glentamara (talk) 17:20, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2017

Add Czechia. According to the Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs: "The Czech Republic still considers Catalonia as an integral part of the Spanish Kingdom." http://www.mzv.cz/jnp/en/issues_and_press/mfa_statements/the_czech_republic_still_considers.html https://twitter.com/CzechMFA/status/923952821141204993 MrGreg (talk) 17:52, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2017

Serbia refuses to recognize independence of Catalonia http://www.blic.rs/vesti/politika/dacic-isti-je-put-kosova-i-katalonije/j98j0zc 77.243.22.33 (talk) 17:59, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Y Done. Impru20 (talk) 18:53, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

The map

Is stupid, and adds nothing. Does anyone have a reason why we would wish to keep it? --John (talk) 18:13, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Because it provides a quick glance at Catalonia's international recognition, as provided by sources. Just as is done for other states such as Kosovo, Palestine, the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, Abkhazia and South Ossetia and so on. Also, removing it because it "is stupid" doesn't look like a valid reason to remove the map. Impru20 (talk) 18:19, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I agree the map can be somewhat of a crystal ball, but it does illustrate the developing diplomatic situation for Catalonia. The map however most certainly does not need to be 750px. Alex Shih (talk) 18:20, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

It certainly doesn't. It should be removed until there are some more data. Right now it's premature, to put it nicely. --John (talk) 18:26, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

"de jure" - proposition to add note

As status is "disputed", the term "de jure" should have reference to note that "de jure" refers to Spanish legal system, not Catalonian.