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Notability?

Does anyone even bother to read our guidelines anymore before creating articles. How about NOTNEWS, RECENTISM, 10YT. This is undoubtedly a tragic accident. And it is understandably getting a lot of immediate attention. But what are the odds of this being SUSTAINED? What is the likely long term significance of this event? Ten years from now how is this going to be more than a footnote in the history of tragic highway accidents? -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:29, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After spending some time looking at traffic safety (and death) statistics for developed countries I now believe that the number of fatalities in this case is so far outside the norm as to establish notability, if perhaps only barely. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:32, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ad Orientem: respectfully, and with understanding of WP:OSE, if you feel the article is inappropriate you should take it to WP:AFD where it'll surely be a speedy keep along with the litany of other irrelevant, barely above stub, orphaned disaster stories which litter Wikipedia. You're fighting an uphill battle. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:37, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Since it was speedily created w/o any consideration for WP:BREAKING, and out of deference to WP:RAPID, I am going to wait a few days to see how this play out. But unless something pops up that alters the landscape vis a vis WP:PAG I most likely will send this to AfD at some point. As for fighting an uphill battle, I've been doing that for as long as I've been on the project. But until unless the guidelines are changed, I will try to uphold them. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:48, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This seems obviously notable to me. Events such as this generally continue to receive coverage for decades. Compare the Swift Current Broncos bus crash article linked from this one, where the event received an ESPN article 20 years later and a memorial was built 30 years later. It seems unreasonable to me to expect this event not to receive coverage decades from now. Calathan (talk) 14:47, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is the biggest sports-related disaster in a major English-speaking country's history. This will dominate that country's news for at least a week. It is certainly worthy of an article. Even if no one else dies, there is a larger death toll than some in the List of disasters in Canada by death toll that have dedicated articles. It is really a no-brainer. Teikovo (talk) 15:01, 7 April 2018 (UTC)teikovo.[reply]

I will concede that the exceptionally high death toll for a traffic accident in a developed country is the one thing that makes me think this might ring the WP:N bell. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:05, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have a lot of words I could offer about this thread. I'll just use two: utterly ignorant. Reso lute 16:19, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This event is receiving considerable international attention. It is obviously notable.Rkehler3 (talk) 17:40, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's absurd to think that the death of an entire hockey team will not have long standing repercussions. Granted I admit that there is the possibility that nothing comes to pass, but likely repercussions for this event involve the existence of the Broncos team itself, the stability of the SJHL, highway safety at intersections in rural Saskatchewan, and obviously the possible legal ramifications for the semi driver and their company if they survive this incident and are found negligent. Basing the argument about notability on "whether or not an accident will be a footnote in history in ten years" would invalidate a majority of these types of articles. Maybe that's a discussion Wikipedia should have, but that's a policy decision that needs to be had elsewhere. --Plasma Twa 2 19:36, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How could you be so bloody ignorant? I can’t believe you would even bring this up. I personally knew one of the team members who passed away. Let me tell you, this is a massive deal not only in Saskatchewan, but in Canada where essentialy every city, big or small, revolves around Hockey. User:Martinillo (talk) 19:44, 7 April 2018 UTC

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 :This event is receiving considerable international attention.  It is obviously notable.[[User:Rkehler3|Rkehler3]] ([[User talk:Rkehler3|talk]]) 17:40, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
 :It's absurd to think that the death of an entire hockey team will not have long standing repercussions. Granted I admit that there is the possibility that nothing comes to pass, but likely repercussions for this event involve the existence of the Broncos team itself, the stability of the SJHL, highway safety at intersections in rural Saskatchewan, and obviously the possible legal ramifications for the semi driver and their company if they survive this incident and are found negligent. Basing the argument about notability on "whether or not an accident will be a footnote in history in ten years" would invalidate a majority of these types of articles. Maybe that's a discussion Wikipedia should have, but that's a policy decision that needs to be had elsewhere. --[[User:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">Plasma</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF4500">Twa</font>]][[User talk:Plasma Twa 2|<font color="#FF0000">2</font>]] 19:36, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
+How could you be so bloody ignorant? I can’t believe you would even bring this up. I personally knew one of the team members who passed away. Let me tell you, this is a massive deal not only in Saskatchewan, but in Canada where essentialy every city, big or small, revolves around Hockey. [[User:Martinillo]] ([[User Talk:Martinillo|talk]]) 19:44, 7 April 2018 UTC